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Arahad I

2021-01-04T04:36:40Z

12.144.5.2: /* History */ grammar

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'''Arahad I''' ({{TA|2365}}<ref>{{PM|Elendil}}, p. 196</ref> - {{TA|2523|n}},<ref name="North">{{App|North}}</ref> died aged 158) was the son of [[Araglas]] and seventh [[Chieftain of the Dúnedain]]
==History==
He following his father, in Chieftainship, when Araglas died in 2455.

His rule coincided with the end of the [[Watchful Peace]], when [[Sauron]] returned to [[Dol Guldur]] with increased strength.<ref>{{App|TA}}</ref> Also during his rule, [[orcs]] began to increase and multiply in the [[Misty Mountains]]; it was then when they revealed themselves, waylaying [[Celebrían]] and her escort.<ref>{{App|Eriador}}</ref>

Arahad died in {{TA|2523|n}}, after having ruled for sixty-eight years, and was followed by his son, [[Aragost]].<ref name="North"/>

==Etymology==
Arahad's name is [[Sindarin]], but its etymology is uncertain. It contains the usual royal prefix ''[[ar|ara-]]'' meaning "king", but the ''had'' is a little harder to work out. It could be ''had'' meaning "hurl, throw", it could be ''sad'' ([[Lenition|lenited]] to ''had'') meaning "place, spot", or it could be related to ''sador'' meaning "faithful person".

==Genealogy==
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Michael George Tolkien

2020-04-03T06:01:17Z

12.144.5.2: ONLY son can't be particularly an "eldest" son!

[[File:Michael Tolkien.jpg|thumb|Michael Tolkien at [[The Return of the Ring]], 2012]]
'''Michael George Reuel Tolkien''' (b. [[11 January]] [[1943]]) is the grandson of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], being the son of [[Michael Tolkien|Michael H.R. Tolkien]]. Michael was born in [[Birmingham]], raised in a rural community in the Chiltern Hills, and then moved several times due to his father's changes of employment.

Michael is a poet and author of several books. He retired in 1994 due to ill health. He has been married three times since 1967 and has two daughters, Catherine and Ruth. Michael is a member of the board of the [[Tolkien Estate]].

==Bibliography==
===Articles===
* [[1998]]: [[Mallorn 36|''Mallorn'' 36]]
** ''The making of modern children's literature: J.R.R. Tolkien'' (review)
* [[1999]]: [[Mallorn 37|''Mallorn'' 37]]
** ''[[Tolkien: Man and Myth]]'' (review)
* [[2001]]: ''[[Digging Potatoes, Growing Trees|Digging Potatoes, Growing Trees - Volume 3]]''
** "Eden, Fall, Exile and Beyond" [Speech at the Tolkien Society's Annual Dinner 1998]

==See also==
*[[Letter to Michael George Tolkien (24 April 1957)]]
*[[Letter to Michael George Tolkien (10 January 1958)]]
*[[Letter to Michael George Tolkien (6 January 1965)]]
*[[Letter to Michael George Tolkien (16 September 1965)]]
*[[Letter to Michael George Tolkien (30 October 1965)]]
*[[Letter to Michael George Tolkien (29 July 1966)]]
*[[Letter to Michael George Tolkien (7 January 1970)]]
*[[Letter to Michael George Tolkien (30 January 1972)]]

==External links==
*[http://www.michaeltolkien.com/ Michael Tolkien's website]
*[[2014]]: ''Men @ Work with Michael Tolkien'', 11 October
**"[http://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Saturday/Men-Work/Episodes/Men-Work-with-Michael-Tolkien Interview with Michael Tolkien]"

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John Benjamin Tolkien

2020-02-02T04:36:00Z

12.144.5.2: /* Children */ The children of his first marriage are already noted above and are not included in this list

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'''John Benjamin Tolkien''' ([[27 March]] [[1807]] - [[1 August]] [[1896]]<ref>{{webcite|author=[[Christina Scull]], [[Wayne G. Hammond]]|articleurl=http://www.hammondandscull.com/addenda/chronology.html|articlename=Addenda and Corrigenda to ''The J.R.R. Tolkien Companion and Guide'' (2006) Vol. 1: Chronology|dated=|website=HS|accessed=19 May 2012}}</ref>), son of [[George Tolkien]], was [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s grandfather. He was born in [[Wikipedia:Middlesex|Middlesex]], London. He was a piano maker, teacher, and tuner.

His first wife was Jane Holmwood, with whom he had had four children: Emily (1838), Louisa (1840), John Benjamin (1845), and Jane, (1846).

Later he married [[Mary Jane Stow]] on [[16 February|February 16]]th, [[1856]] in All Saints Parish Church, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England and they had their first child, Arthur, the next year.

On the death of Arthur in [[1896]], John was very grieved and died six months later in Kings Norton, Warwickshire, England.

==Children by his second marriage==
* [[Arthur Tolkien | Arthur Reuel Tolkien]]
* Mabel Tolkien (not to be confused with the woman Arthur married)
* Grace Bindley Tolkien
* Florence M. Tolkien
* Frank Winslow Tolkien
* Howard Charles Tolkien
* Mary Tolkien
* Lawrence Tolkien
* Leslie G. Tolkien

==External links==
* [http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnashby/277571229/ Image of a piano by J.B. Tolkien]
* [http://tolkienbrasil.com/artigos/colunas/eduardostark/a-familia-tolkien-e-o-imperio-brasileiro/ A família Tolkien e o Império Brasileiro] - Tolkien Family and the Brazilian Empire
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Arvegil

2019-08-27T03:53:25Z

12.144.5.2: Correction. (It is the 1553 TA birthdate that is based on a non-final text and needs to not go unquestioned).

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'''Arvegil''' ({{TA|1553}}<ref>{{PM|Elendil}}, p. 194</ref> - {{TA|1743|n}},<ref name="North">{{App|North}}</ref> died aged 190) was the eleventh king of [[Arthedain]], succeeding his father, [[Argeleb II]], upon his death in 1670.
==History==
During his father's reign, Arvegil saw events that would shape the history of [[Middle-earth]], including the foundation of [[the Shire]]. He was eighty-three years old (no great age for one of the [[Dúnedain]]) when the [[Great Plague]] came out of the south and ravaged [[Eriador]], but the seat of the Kings at [[Fornost]] in the north was little affected.<ref>{{App|Eriador}}</ref>

Arvegil lived for one hundred and ninety years, longer than any of his descendants until [[Aragorn]].<ref>{{PM|Ai}}</ref> By the standards of his own ancestors, though, this was an early death. Of all the northern Kings before Arvegil - excepting those slain in battle - only two had lived less than two hundred years: his father [[Argeleb II]] and his grandfather [[Araphor]].

Arvegil ruled [[Arthedain]] for seventy-three years, and was succeeded by his son, who ruled as [[Arveleg II]], upon his death in {{TA|1743|n}}.<ref name="North"/>

== Etymology ==
'''Arvegil''' is [[Sindarin]] for "Royal Sword" from ''[[Ara|ara-]]'' meaning "royal, king", and ''megil'' (becoming [[Lenition|lenited]] to ''vegil'') meaning "sword".

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==Other versions of the Legendarium==
In post-1966 revisions of [[Appendix A]], Aragorn's year of death is amended from Fo.A. 100 to {{FoA|120}}, making him 210 years old (which age is explicitly confirmed in post-1993 printings). The reference to him being the longest-lived of his line since Arvegil is not changed, even though with this change in the chronology, Aragorn would be older than Arvegil.

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User talk:Ederchil

2019-08-18T15:57:36Z

12.144.5.2: /* Discrepancies on Arvegil */ new section

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'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2009|January 9, 2009 - December 23, 2009]]''' 
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'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2011|February 14, 2011 - December 14, 2011]]''' 
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== Discussion ==

Hello.I would like to discuss about something [[Talk:Battle of Fornost|here]].

== Discussions ==
Let's talk about it [[Talk:Quest of Erebor|here]], [[Talk:Arnor|here]] and [[User talk:2.86.255.128|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}

I would like to be discussed something generally.Read [[User talk:2.86.255.128#Tolkien Gateway and The Hobbit film|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}

It should be mentioned in any way that Ravenhill was the place of the final duel between Thorin and Azog in the films. {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}

:It should be mentioned in a way that resembles English. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Why don't you put in your own way? I mean you can write it in your own way (the fact that in Ravendill happened the final confrontation between Thorin and Azog). {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}

:I've done that for roughly 80% of what you've added so far. Please improve your English. This is not optional. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:43, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

== Complaint and Discussions ==

Fool.Why did you do that? After all I have done? After all the editings that I have done in Tolkien Gateway;Is this the way you thank me? By blogging me; Is this how you thank the others for their contribitions here? By blogging them? Congratulations.Congratulations.You should be given an award for that.This is the way you thank the others.By blogging them.Right?You are an asshole.If the only thing you know what to do is blogging them and not discussing with them, then do it again. OK? Well done.--[[User talk:2.86.255.128|2.86.255.128]] 20:25, 05 January 2017 (UTC)

:Blogging is writing a weblog. What I did was blocking you. Because I've had to clean up all your edits, and you still continued. Don't you look at how I (and others) rewrite your contributions? Don't you learn from that? Don't you see what we remove all the time, what we keep and what we rewrite? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:37, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Next time I would like FIRST to discuss these problems with me.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}

:I indicated your English was below par before. You make a mess, I clean it up. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Why did you delete my editings on page Beorn's Hall?I am telling the truth about the filming of Beorn's Hall (where it was shot).You can check it.I am not lying. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}

Also, why did you delete my editings on talk page about Tauriel(I am talking about this page:[[Talk:Tauriel]])? This my opinion. OK? Can't I say my opinion about her fate now? This is just my opinion about her fate.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}

:Didn't I explain enough? The English is too poor to be usable. It's not a fun thing for me to say to you, but if I don't, you'll never improve. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

All these games that I added on Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment do exist.Why didn't you put these games on this page earlier? Before me no-one else had ever said about these games on Tolkien Gateway. You could have mentioned these games earlier on Tolkien Gateway, but you didn't.Why? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}

:I'm largely retired from active content editing. I still do clean up work, though. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Why?Why are you retired from active content editing? You can still create pages on Tolkien Gateway.Don't be so pessimistic about yourself. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}

== About my edit ==

Why did you undo my edit on the nazgul page? When you actually look at the battle of the morannon, you can actually see a wraith falling of his steed during the battle [http://cdn.roaring.earth/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Eagles-vs-Nazgul.png (A screenshot of the wraith in question)]

Not complaining about anything here, just asking--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 18:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

:"They are taken out" covers the scene. Whether one was alive or dead is speculation. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
::Ah okay. Also tbh i wonder what would happen if one survived the destruction of the ring--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 04:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

== Battle under the Trees ==

First of all, thanks for reminding me not to capitalize under. Obviously a bit miffed you deleted it so quickly, but admittedly there was a bit of conjecture in it. I would point out that by putting 'maybe' I clearly labled my conjecture, whereas there are plenty of articles that don't, for example: 'The battle was incredibly important in the course of the War of the Ring: if Sauron's Easterling armies had beaten the Dwarves and Men of Dale, they would have been able to join up with Sauron's forces from Dol Guldur in their attacks on the Woodland Realm of Mirkwood and Lothlórien, tipping the scales in favor of Mordor.'
I don't see how saying that Thranduil's army in Mirkwood would have probably exceeded that in 2941 is much more problematic. Anyway, what I'm proposing is that I write a more basic version of the article, then submit it to you or another administrator before saving it. Frankly, the Gateway's current stuff on the War of the Ring is pretty poor, and we could really do with a few short articles on the battles. The current War template leaves out half the conflict. It's fair enough to get rid of conjecture, but I'll happily do that for you. {{unsigned|Hazad}}

:I didn't delete it quickly - not as quickly as I've deleted other articles. I was busy copy editing it, fixing the sources and everything, but without all the speculation, there really wasn't much of a history section left. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 05:23, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

::Hazad: IIRC, there was a discussion about having an article about a "Battle under the Trees" a couple of years ago, ultimately reaching a consensus similar to Michael Martinez' [http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/10/12/what-was-the-battle-of-mirkwood/ thoughts on the subject]. Thus, if there are details missing about the battle(s) in Mirkwood, I would advise adding these to the [[Mirkwood#History|history section of Mirkwood]]. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 06:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks for getting back to me. I have read that Martinez article and to be honest I think it's a bit below his usual standards, in that when Tolkien writes 'battle under the trees' he is clearly referring to Mirkwood in particular, rather than Mirkwood and Lorien. But anyhow no matter. While I'm asking, why is the War of the Elves and Sauron page protected, when it's marked as in need of expansion? (really needs to be added to, the only reference is Appendix B)

== What did I do wrong with the Warg matriarch image? ==

No offense but i seriously have no idea what you meant with "no source" when you deleted the image

As for the infobox, i couldnt do much better since im on an ipad and the editing interface doesnt work that well on my ipad--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 19:47, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

:All images need a source category and subject categories. I deleted that one because I couldn't guess which of the three it was from. You like it? You source it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

::Oh now i get it. Guess ill reupload it tomorrow since i know where its from--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 21:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

::And the other two images? what was wrong with those? {{unsigned|LordAndSaviourSauron}}

:::Duplicates of each other, and no point to illustrate it on the article. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:34, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

::::Oh, but idk if an image of how the eye appears in the hobbit would actually be pointless, since it looks quite different than what the eye looked like in LOTR.--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 20:33, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

:::::It looked fairly similar. If they're different, describe the differences on the relevant page. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

== Limpe ==

Hi, I was adding some information on the drink Limpe which is canon. Look it up. And it's not copyrighted. I have the darn link right here as proof.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_food_and_drink_in_Middle-earth#Limp.C3.ABSo could you kindly tell me the reason for the deletion please? {{unsigned|Tolkienfan31}}

:It had no source, no proper layout, no proper markup, the wrong title, no categories... It wasn't an article, it was juse a random line. There's more to an article than being right or wrong. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 04:44, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

== About my talk page ==

Just blanked it cause the discussions on it didn’t really have a point anymore and to make space for new stuff--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 16:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

:It's a public record of all communications to you. There's no need to "archive" it unless it's really a long page. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:39, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

::Also why are you editing my signature?--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 15:50, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

:::Do not use "Heil". Ever. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

::::The way I’m using it is a joke tho (it’s a parody)--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 16:18, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

:::::That is not a joking matter. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:32, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

::::::Whatever--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Insert unfunny orc joke here]] 16:01, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

== Tolkien Ancestry ==

Hi!

I would like to ask if it is possible to update all entries concerning the Tolkien Family history. My research in the Tolkien genealogy has changed a lot in this matter. See for instance here:

http://tolkniety.blogspot.com/2017/05/john-benjamin-tolkien-1753-1819-summary.html

Now we are 100% sure that first two Tolkiens in London were brothers, sons of Christian and Anna Euphrosina Tolkien from Petershagen in Gdańsk (German Danzig). The Professor's great-great-grandfather was born in June 1752 and was baptized in St Salvator Lutheran church in Gdańsk. His brother emmigrated in 1766 first to Amsterdam, then in 1770 to London. His younger brother, Johann Benjamin joined him in ca. 1772. Both brothers married the English girls and Daniel became furrie and John Benjamin a clock and watch maker.

Their father was born in Kreuzburg, East Prussia in 1706. We know also the other generations:

The Tolkien family from Prussia
(15th-17th c.)|Michel Tolkien (b. ca. 1620, Globuhnen by Kreuzburg, Prussia)|Christianus Tolkien
(1663-1746, Kreuzburg, Kingdom of Prussia)|Christian Tolkien (b. 1706 in Kreuzburg, d. 1791 in Gdańsk, Polish Prussia)= Anna Euphrosina Tolkien, née Bergholtz (1719-1792)|Johann (John) Benjamin Tolkien (b. 1752 in Gdańsk, d. 1819 in London)|George Tolkien (1784-1840)
|John Benjamin Tolkien(1807-1896)|Arthur Reuel Tolkien(1857-1896)|John Ronald Reuel Tolkien(1892-1973)

The Tolkien family name belongs to a big Prussian family of names with the ending -in, -yn, -ien, -iehn and comes from Tolk-īn 'a descendant of Tolk'. Tolk is a Prussian name meaning 'translator, negotiator'

The Tolkiens in the 16th-18th centuries lives in East Prussia. You will not find the Tolkiens in Saxony, because it is a Prussian family of medieval roots in the Teutonic State. {{unsigned|Galadhorn}}

:The current text is what Tolkien himself believed to be the origin of his family and family name. He mentioned it multiple times - [[Letter 165]] and [[Letter 324]], for example. He explicitly dismisses the association with Tolk- ("interpreter", "spokesman") in [[Letter 349]]. Even if that blog were true - I'm not saying it isn't - outright removing the current text and replacing it with things that contradict it is not the way to go. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:45, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

I am sorry. I am not a Wikipedist, I have problems with proper editing in the places like this. I undestrand, Ederchil your position. The clue is that Professor Tolkien couldn't know things we know today. My research is known to the Tolkien family today, it is already accepted by the Tolkien Society (see their website) and is included in the newest "The J.R.R. Tolkien. Companion and Guide". I spent last year in the archives to find the truth about the Tolkien genealogy. Only you know how to enter the information from me into your Tolkien Gateway. Plese, think about including the information about the roots in Gdańsk and East Prussia. And about the alternative etymology of the Tolkien family name. {{unsigned|Galadhorn}}

:I have no problems with including it, as long as it is properly sourced and the current is not removed. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:23, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Can you help me with it, Ederchil? As a source you can cite Ch. Scull, W. G. Hammond, "The J.R.R. Tolkien Companion and Guide" (2017), G 828, 1298. When they publish my article in the "Tolkien Studies" there will be another source for the Tolkien Gateway (I will inform you about the publication). Or you can quote the Tolkien Society website: https://www.tolkiensociety.org/author/biography/

"The name “Tolkien” (pron.: Tol-keen; equal stress on both syllables) was believed by the family (including Tolkien himself) to be of German origin; Toll-kühn: foolishly brave, or stupidly clever—hence the pseudonym “Oxymore” which he occasionally used; however, this quite probably was a German rationalisation of an originally Baltic Tolkyn, or Tolkīn. In any case, his great-great grandfather John (Johann) Benjamin Tolkien came to Britain with his brother Daniel from Gdańsk in about 1772 and rapidly became thoroughly Anglicised."

I am very weak as a Wikipedist. I don't understand the language of the coding in here. Please, help me.

== Lots of time to learn, my boy ==

It is clear you bring your own view, only, to this Wiki.

A moderator's task is to intervene when new users first stray from your narrow course.

Not after much effort.

This is clearly habitual.

Now I see why so many Wiki's exist on this topic.

Some even allow flexibility and detail.

You are young and I hope you have the time to really understand Tolkien's great Work.

There seems to be a lot of Noldor in your ATTITUDE.

But it's YOUR Wiki, so...

[[User:Fudoki|Fudoki]] 21:00, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

:So much for the skin of Ironfoot. Wait, was the skin of Ironfoot ever mentioned? Guess not. Silly me.
:I admire that you want to help out. But putting in effort does not automatically mean it's a well-written summary of the life of Fingon. It was practically unsalvageable, a jumbled collection of clauses.
:I'm not young by most standards, and I'm more Dwarf than Noldo. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

== "Other" label ==

You wrote "again, this is not what Other is for" in the Elured and Elurin articles... So I repeat what I asked in the Talk:Elwing page: Given the fact that Eluréd, Elurín and Elwing present some difficulties in being classified in terms of elf/man/half-elf, why not use a neutral label? Despite the name "other", the label is an empty one, the character in question is not put in some list of "strange races" or nothing like that. See [[Falathar]] and companions: they were elves or men, but we don't know exactly what they are, so the "other" label was applied in their articles. If you insist this is wrong, I think a third way should be find, because the "elf" label doesn't seem right to me: Dior was mortal, your sons couldn't be elves. [[User:Haran|Haran]] 19:31, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

:Those two are three quarters Elf. They're more Elvish than Half-elves. And even Half-elves are still identified by their Elvenness (they're not called Half-men) so giving them a undetermined elf infobox is still better than lumping them with "race unknown" and "race too small for their own infobox". --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

:: You explore a very subjective line of argumentation, percentage of elvish blood and the word "half-elf"... I don't see why this so personal thinking would be better, instead of a neutral label - "race unknown" and "race too small for their own infobox" is another subjective vision of yours, nothing in the box says that - or even a “sinda” label, for example... But whatever, I think you had a pet peeve with my editions since the beginning, reverting them and writing hardly nothing, and now have found a new way to continue disagreeing - particularly because this argumentation of yours is a new one, you insisted earlier on restoring the "half-elf" label, and, indeed, you replaced Elurín in the Category:Half-Elves and it still remain so... [[User:Haran|Haran]] 21:07, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

== Unnecessary block? ==

What did you block [[User:JaquelineKitchen]] for? She (I'm assuming it is "she") had not done anything wrong...--[[User:DoctorWellington|DoctorWellington]] 14:27, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

:It's a spambot. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

::Okay, I understand now. Thanks for expalaining. --[[User:DoctorWellington|DoctorWellington]] 13:23, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

== Verwijder mijn gebruikersnaam AUB ==

Verwijder mijn gebruikersnaam AUB. Ik heb valide informative toegevoegd. Vervolgens wordt dit verwijderd. Daar heb ik geen zin in. Dan maar niet. {{unsigned|PeterNC}}

:Er zijn zoveel fans wereldwijd dat we toch enige grenzen moeten stellen. Mensen die boeken of artikelen gepubliceerd hebben krijgen voorrang.
:Ik heb nog geprobeerd om het te herschrijven, maar er was bar weinig aan te doen. Sommige delen waren woord voor woord (en dode link voor dode link) overgenomen van [[Haradrim (Tolkien Society)]] en andere waren niet meer dan reclame. Dat het valide is betekent niet dat wij het in de aangeboden vorm maar moeten gebruiken. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

== parabombing what?! ==

But what the matter with my edits??? They are not vandalism, this is a fact that spiders don't have stingers, if Shelob was born in the First Age, she's obviously several millenia old, and square kilometer converting is also useful for somebody not mastering well Anglo-Saxon metric system. Not every statement needs sourcing, it would be nonsense. [[Special:Contributions/193.54.167.180|193.54.167.180]] 18:37, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

:The age needs to be a number. Even if an approximation, it needs to be written out in numbers with the source in a ref and any explanation in a note.
:Is there any source spiders don't have stingers in Middle-earth?
:It's not the "Anglo-Saxon metric system". Or the Imperial system, as it's actually mean (it's not metric). The mentioned measures are the translation convention Tolkien used for the [[Lár]]/league and the [[Ranga]]/yard, and presumably other units of measurement too. A mile in the real world is a third of a league, and that's usually used in analysis of scale, but as the Númenorean reckoning was decimal, one could question whether they had a "mile" equivalent, or if they used tenths of leagues or fifths or something. But miles were the terms Tolkien used. Not kilometers. Strictly speaking, I'm not sure if the term "square mile" is even used. I've removed the comparison of real world countries because this minute difference.
:Parabombing is the wiki practice of plonking a sentence within parentheses in the middle of a paragraph, without regard for what it does for the sentence. If you cannot work it into the section in a natural, readable way, don't add it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:29, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

==Spammer Problem and Trying to Fix It==

Hi Ederchil, I've been trying to restore the infobox on the [[Wizards]] article after [[Special:Contributions/66.203.18.47|66.203.18.47]] spammed it and then restored it to normal, but I can't find the template. Also, I've seen that this user has been consistently spamming and restoring articles, and that is definitely a rotten thing to do. Can you help me? Thank you! -- {{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}}

Also, he completely messed up the entire article, and I've been trying to revert his edits. It's not working, though. -- {{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}}

Never mind, I fixed it, but I'm still concerned about this user. --{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}}

:Done. An easy way to fix it is just go to the page's history and edit and save the last version from before the vandalism. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:10, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

::Bedankt voor de hulp(Please excuse my unprofessional Dutch)! I hope I'm not being too much of a pest; that's what happens when a 14-year-old signs up on a Tolkien wiki. --{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}}

== ==Article Image Question ==

Hi Ederchil, can you look [[Talk:Meriadoc Brandybuck|here]] really quickly and give your opinion on it? Thanks! —{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}} 00:20, 19 Feb 2019 (UTC)

== Discrepancies on Arvegil ==

So just how do you propose to acknowledge that the published text of TLotR leaves no room for the birth year or lifespan attributed to Arvegil by "The Heirs of Elendil" to be correct?...letting the latter stand uncontradicted is just unconscionable.[[Special:Contributions/12.144.5.2|12.144.5.2]] 15:57, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Arvegil

2019-08-17T20:01:22Z

12.144.5.2: Questioning infobox matter of dubious canonicity (since 1966 Second Edition Aragorn's death has been 120 FA and 90+120=210 which means the most recent older king can't have died at 190...text of Appendix A caught up to math in 1993)

__NOTOC__
{{arnorian infobox
| name=Arvegil
| image=[[File:Arvegil.jpg|250px]]
| caption=Arvegil from ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing]]''
| pronun=
| othernames=
| titles=[[King of Arthedain]]
| position=
| location=[[Arthedain]]
| affiliation=
| language=[[Sindarin]], [[Westron]]
| birth={{TA|1553}} ? (see text)
| birthlocation=
| rule={{TA|1670}} - {{TA|1743|n}}
| death={{TA|1743}}
| deathlocation=
| age=190 ? (see text)
| notablefor=
| house=[[House of Isildur]]
| parentage=[[Argeleb II]]
| siblings=
| spouse=
| children=[[Arveleg II]]
| gender=Male
| height=
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| eyes=
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'''Arvegil''' ({{TA|1553}}<ref>{{PM|Elendil}}, p. 194</ref> - {{TA|1743|n}},<ref name="North">{{App|North}}</ref> died aged 190) was the eleventh king of [[Arthedain]], succeeding his father, [[Argeleb II]], upon his death in 1670.
==History==
During his father's reign, Arvegil saw events that would shape the history of [[Middle-earth]], including the foundation of [[the Shire]]. He was eighty-three years old (no great age for one of the [[Dúnedain]]) when the [[Great Plague]] came out of the south and ravaged [[Eriador]], but the seat of the Kings at [[Fornost]] in the north was little affected.<ref>{{App|Eriador}}</ref>

Arvegil lived for one hundred and ninety years, longer than any of his descendants until [[Aragorn]].<ref>{{PM|Ai}}</ref> By the standards of his own ancestors, though, this was an early death. Of all the northern Kings before Arvegil - excepting those slain in battle - only two had lived less than two hundred years: his father [[Argeleb II]] and his grandfather [[Araphor]].

Arvegil ruled [[Arthedain]] for seventy-three years, and was succeeded by his son, who ruled as [[Arveleg II]], upon his death in {{TA|1743|n}}.<ref name="North"/>

It should be noted that the reference to Aragorn being the longest-lived of his line since Arvegil is retained in the post-1993 revisions of Appendix A in which Aragorn's age is amended to two hundred and ten (reflecting 120 years of the Fourth Age rather than 100 being added to the last 90 years of the Third Age),and thus it may be imputed that Arvegil's age was revised upward (and his birth year backward) by at least twenty years,as if the ages in "The Heirs of Elendil" are regarded as correct Aragorn would instead have been the longest-lived since at least Celebrindor (who died at 210) if not his father Celepharn (who was years older).All published editions of TLotR concur that
*Arvegil died in 1743 Third Age;
*Aragorn was born 90 years before the end of the Third Age;
*Aragorn was the longest-lived of the Line of Isildur since Arvegil.
There is no room to assume that the birth year attributed to Arvegil in "The Heirs of Elendil" remains canonical.

== Etymology ==
'''Arvegil''' is [[Sindarin]] for "Royal Sword" from ''[[Ara|ara-]]'' meaning "royal, king", and ''megil'' (becoming [[Lenition|lenited]] to ''vegil'') meaning "sword".

== Genealogy ==
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{{familytree | |!| |}}
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{{familytree | |!| |}}
{{familytree | ARV |ARV='''ARVEGIL''' ''{{TA|1553|n}} - {{TA|1743|n}}''}}
{{familytree | |!| |}}
{{familytree | ARV |ARV=[[Arveleg II]] ''{{TA|1633|n}} - {{TA|1813|n}}''}}
{{familytree | |!| |}}
{{familytree | ARA |ARA=[[Araval]] ''{{TA|1711|n}} - {{TA|1891|n}}''}}
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{{references}}
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| house=[[House of Isildur]] Cadet branch of [[House of Elros]]
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| dates={{TA|1670}} - {{TA|1743|n}}
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| nrow=2
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{{seq
| list=11th [[Kings of Arthedain|King of Arthedain]]
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{{seq-end}}{{northernline}}

[[Category:House of Isildur]]
[[Category:Rulers of Arthedain]]
[[Category:Sindarin names]]
[[Category:Third Age characters]]
[[de:Arvegil]]
[[fr:encyclo/personnages/hommes/3a/dunedain/dunedain_du_nord/arvegil]]
[[fi:Arvegil]]

Arvegil

2019-08-17T19:57:34Z

12.144.5.2: Undo revision 300880 by Mith (talk) DO NOT REVERT CORRECTIONS!

__NOTOC__
{{arnorian infobox
| name=Arvegil
| image=[[File:Arvegil.jpg|250px]]
| caption=Arvegil from ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing]]''
| pronun=
| othernames=
| titles=[[King of Arthedain]]
| position=
| location=[[Arthedain]]
| affiliation=
| language=[[Sindarin]], [[Westron]]
| birth={{TA|1553}}
| birthlocation=
| rule={{TA|1670}} - {{TA|1743|n}}
| death={{TA|1743}}
| deathlocation=
| age=190
| notablefor=
| house=[[House of Isildur]]
| parentage=[[Argeleb II]]
| siblings=
| spouse=
| children=[[Arveleg II]]
| gender=Male
| height=
| hair=
| eyes=
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}}
'''Arvegil''' ({{TA|1553}}<ref>{{PM|Elendil}}, p. 194</ref> - {{TA|1743|n}},<ref name="North">{{App|North}}</ref> died aged 190) was the eleventh king of [[Arthedain]], succeeding his father, [[Argeleb II]], upon his death in 1670.
==History==
During his father's reign, Arvegil saw events that would shape the history of [[Middle-earth]], including the foundation of [[the Shire]]. He was eighty-three years old (no great age for one of the [[Dúnedain]]) when the [[Great Plague]] came out of the south and ravaged [[Eriador]], but the seat of the Kings at [[Fornost]] in the north was little affected.<ref>{{App|Eriador}}</ref>

Arvegil lived for one hundred and ninety years, longer than any of his descendants until [[Aragorn]].<ref>{{PM|Ai}}</ref> By the standards of his own ancestors, though, this was an early death. Of all the northern Kings before Arvegil - excepting those slain in battle - only two had lived less than two hundred years: his father [[Argeleb II]] and his grandfather [[Araphor]].

Arvegil ruled [[Arthedain]] for seventy-three years, and was succeeded by his son, who ruled as [[Arveleg II]], upon his death in {{TA|1743|n}}.<ref name="North"/>

It should be noted that the reference to Aragorn being the longest-lived of his line since Arvegil is retained in the post-1993 revisions of Appendix A in which Aragorn's age is amended to two hundred and ten (reflecting 120 years of the Fourth Age rather than 100 being added to the last 90 years of the Third Age),and thus it may be imputed that Arvegil's age was revised upward (and his birth year backward) by at least twenty years,as if the ages in "The Heirs of Elendil" are regarded as correct Aragorn would instead have been the longest-lived since at least Celebrindor (who died at 210) if not his father Celepharn (who was years older).All published editions of TLotR concur that
*Arvegil died in 1743 Third Age;
*Aragorn was born 90 years before the end of the Third Age;
*Aragorn was the longest-lived of the Line of Isildur since Arvegil.
There is no room to assume that the birth year attributed to Arvegil in "The Heirs of Elendil" remains canonical.

== Etymology ==
'''Arvegil''' is [[Sindarin]] for "Royal Sword" from ''[[Ara|ara-]]'' meaning "royal, king", and ''megil'' (becoming [[Lenition|lenited]] to ''vegil'') meaning "sword".

== Genealogy ==
{{familytree/start}}
{{familytree | ARA |ARA=[[Araphor]] ''{{TA|1391|n}} - {{TA|1589|n}}''}}
{{familytree | |!| |}}
{{familytree | ARG |ARG=[[Argeleb II]] ''{{TA|1473|n}} - {{TA|1670|n}}''}}
{{familytree | |!| |}}
{{familytree | ARV |ARV='''ARVEGIL''' ''{{TA|1553|n}} - {{TA|1743|n}}''}}
{{familytree | |!| |}}
{{familytree | ARV |ARV=[[Arveleg II]] ''{{TA|1633|n}} - {{TA|1813|n}}''}}
{{familytree | |!| |}}
{{familytree | ARA |ARA=[[Araval]] ''{{TA|1711|n}} - {{TA|1891|n}}''}}
{{familytree/end}}
{{references}}
{{seq-start}}
{{seq-head
| race=arnorian
| house=[[House of Isildur]] Cadet branch of [[House of Elros]]
| born={{TA|1553}}
| died={{TA|1743}}
}}
{{seq
| prow=2
| prev=[[Argeleb II]]
| list=19th [[Heir of Isildur|Heir]] of [[Isildur]]
| dates={{TA|1670}} - {{TA|1743|n}}
| next=[[Arveleg II]]
| nrow=2
}}
{{seq
| list=11th [[Kings of Arthedain|King of Arthedain]]
| dates={{TA|1670}} - {{TA|1743|n}}
}}
{{seq-end}}{{northernline}}

[[Category:House of Isildur]]
[[Category:Rulers of Arthedain]]
[[Category:Sindarin names]]
[[Category:Third Age characters]]
[[de:Arvegil]]
[[fr:encyclo/personnages/hommes/3a/dunedain/dunedain_du_nord/arvegil]]
[[fi:Arvegil]]

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2018-08-27T21:53:45Z

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== Apologies ==

I'm sorry again for what happened with [[Talk:Samwise Gamgee]]. It was a stupid decision of mine! I should have cleared it with you first. --[[User:DoctorWellington|DoctorWellington]] 02:08, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

:Don't worry about it. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:00, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

== Image Upload ==

Hi,

I was trying to upload better quality versions of some pictures, namely from Jackson's Fellowship of the Ring and Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings (of which I recently acquired a Blu-ray copy of), but I found no upload option anywhere. Is it some limitation for being a new user or am I missing the upload option? Thanks in advance. [[User:Alexrd|Alexrd]] 12:00, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

:Yes, it is limited for new users. You will need to make a certain number of edits before you can upload. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 06:35, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
::That explains it then. Thanks. [[User:Alexrd|Alexrd]] 16:23, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
:Hi again, quick question. When I'm uploading a better version of a picture, do I need to [[Template:Delete|tag it for deletion]] so that the old versions can be removed later or it simply doesn't matter? [[User:Alexrd|Alexrd]] 15:44, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

:::On an image page you can upload a new version of an image. The original one will be just be overwritten, and wherever it is used on the wiki it will also be overwritten. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:45, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Yes, I was refering to the old versions listed at the bottom, once the new one is uploaded. [[User:Alexrd|Alexrd]] 15:48, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

:::::You cannot mark them for deletion, and they will be kept. At some point we may wish to revert to an older version, just as older revisions of an article are kept. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:50, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
==Dwarf vandal==
That guy doesn't seem to be getting the hint. Sadly, I can't check regularly - I'm on vacation till Tuesday. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:18, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

:Don't worry about it. I think we might need to protect more pages but we'll see how we go! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 07:09, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

== GDPR ==
How are we for GDPR compliance? I've read it's more or less covered by the most recent MW update, but haven't been able to find any confirmation of that. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:01, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

:Also, any chance of a SSL cert? Those things are becoming all the rage (and quite a necessity, SEO-wise) of late. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:56, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

::On both of these things I don't actually know: it's Hyarion's domain! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:33, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

== Using citation templates on other wikis ==

Hello Mith. Would it be permissible or would it be inappropriate to copy Tolkien Gateway's citation templates for use on other Lord of the Rings-related wikis? {{User:Sullathron/sig}} 02:39, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

:With the appropriate credit in line with our copyright policy, sure! Although I would say to any editor that they should consider editing Tolkien Gateway as the most comprehensive Tolkien-specific wiki. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:35, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

::Thanks! How would I do that, just mention on the template page that it was copied from this wiki? {{User:Sullathron/sig}} 18:40, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

:::However that particularly wiki usually does its copyright attribution. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:32, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

==Question on Special:PopularPages==
Hi, Mith! I'm new to Tolkien Gateway and an occasional editor on The One Wiki to Rule Them All. I was just wondering whether you'd know whether the Special:PopularPages page lists pageviews on a weekly, monthly, or lifetime basis. I noticed that the page itself does not specify that, so I'd be very grateful to you if you would be willing to satisfy my insatiable curiosity. Thanks in advance! :) --[[User:ShireHobbit|ShireHobbit]] 22:15, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

:Lifetime, I believe. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 23:06, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

::Thanks! [[User:ShireHobbit|ShireHobbit]] 17:19, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

== Infoboxes ==

Dear Mith, I'm a little new here (as in I-just-joined-like-9-hours-ago new) and I'm a little confused on how to create infoboxes. I cut and pasted the one on my homepage, but could you tell me how to do it from scratch? Thanks! [[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 00:52, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

:Oh, oops. I just found it on the [[Community Portal]] page. *slams face on desk* [[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 00:52, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

==Source Additions==

Hey Mith, I've begun adding new citations to the article on the [[Ring Verse]]. Could you check it out and give me some feedback on it? Thanks!--[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 16:37, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

:They look good to me! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:08, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

::I polished them up. Don't forget to reuse refs. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:28, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

:::OK, thanks! --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 18:27, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

== The urgent issue of Aragorn's & Arvegil's ages ==

I am very sad to see that you reverted out my addition of the extremely important,so far as purists/nitpickers are concerned,ambiguity in Arvegil's age and birth-year created by the revision of Aragorn's age in the most assiduously corrected editions of TLotR.Was this vanity for your own revision or did you have a real reason that you failed to disclose?[[Special:Contributions/12.144.5.2|12.144.5.2]] 00:40, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

:This isn't an urgent issue. But to answer your slightly rude suggestion, the reason it was reverted was because it both contained speculation and was without references; also, it came across a little irrelevant to the rest of the article, just dropped in a piece of trivia. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:15, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
::"Without references"?...it relates to particularly cited text in Appendix A,and calls into question a great deal of the article's other content in a manner making "speculation" absolutely mandatory.(The "two hundred and ten" appears on page 1044 of the 50th Anniversary one-volume,but there are too many editions of TLotR to make any sense giving a page reference.It's the paragraph before the subhead for "Gondor and the Heirs of Anarion".)[[Special:Contributions/12.144.5.2|12.144.5.2]] 21:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Mith/2018

2018-08-26T00:40:12Z

12.144.5.2: /* The urgent issue of Aragorn's & Arvegil's ages */ new section

Arvegil

2018-08-24T02:14:17Z

12.144.5.2: /* History */ Revision of TLotR text implies a greater age for Arvegil than given in "Heirs of Elendil"

__NOTOC__
{{arnorian infobox
| name=Arvegil
| image=[[File:Arvegil.jpg|250px]]
| caption=Arvegil from ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing]]''
| pronun=
| othernames=
| titles=[[King of Arthedain]]
| position=
| location=[[Arthedain]]
| affiliation=
| language=[[Sindarin]], [[Westron]]
| birth={{TA|1553}}
| birthlocation=
| rule={{TA|1670}} - {{TA|1743|n}}
| death={{TA|1743}}
| deathlocation=
| age=190
| notablefor=
| house=[[House of Isildur]]
| parentage=[[Argeleb II]]
| siblings=
| spouse=
| children=[[Arveleg II]]
| gender=Male
| height=
| hair=
| eyes=
| clothing=
| weapons=
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'''Arvegil''' ({{TA|1553}}<ref>{{PM|Elendil}}, p. 194</ref> - {{TA|1743|n}},<ref name="North">{{App|North}}</ref> died aged 190) was the eleventh king of [[Arthedain]], succeeding his father, [[Argeleb II]], upon his death in 1670.
==History==
During his father's reign, Arvegil saw events that would shape the history of [[Middle-earth]], including the foundation of [[the Shire]]. He was eighty-three years old (no great age for one of the [[Dúnedain]]) when the [[Great Plague]] came out of the south and ravaged [[Eriador]], but the seat of the Kings at [[Fornost]] in the north was little affected.<ref>{{App|Eriador}}</ref>

Arvegil lived for one hundred and ninety years, longer than any of his descendants until [[Aragorn]].<ref>{{PM|Ai}}</ref> By the standards of his own ancestors, though, this was an early death. Of all the northern Kings before Arvegil - excepting those slain in battle - only two had lived less than two hundred years: his father [[Argeleb II]] and his grandfather [[Araphor]].

Arvegil ruled [[Arthedain]] for seventy-three years, and was succeeded by his son, who ruled as [[Arveleg II]], upon his death in {{TA|1743|n}}.<ref name="North"/>

It should be noted that the reference to Aragorn being the longest-lived of his line since Arvegil is retained in the post-1993 revisions of Appendix A in which Aragorn's age is amended to two hundred and ten (reflecting 120 years of the Fourth Age rather than 100 being added to the last 90 years of the Third Age),and thus it may be imputed that Arvegil's age was revised upward (and his birth year backward) by at least twenty years,as if the ages in "The Heirs of Elendil" are regarded as correct Aragorn would instead have been the longest-lived since at least Celebrindor (who died at 210) if not his father Celepharn (who was years older).

== Etymology ==
'''Arvegil''' is [[Sindarin]] for "Royal Sword" from ''[[Ara|ara-]]'' meaning "royal, king", and ''megil'' (becoming [[Lenition|lenited]] to ''vegil'') meaning "sword".

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Margrethe II of Denmark

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'''Margrethe Alexandrine Þórhildur Ingrid''', or '''Margrethe II''', is the queen regnant of Denmark. She is also an artist whose works have been inspired by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s literature from a very young age, and - under the pseudonym '''Ingahild Grathmer''' - her art has illustrated British and Danish editions of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''. Her works of art are examined in the film documentary ''[[J.R.R.T.: A Film Portrait of J.R.R. Tolkien]]''.
==History==

In the eary 1970s, the Queen was inspired to illustrate ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''. She sent her illustrations to Tolkien, who was struck by the similarity to the style of his own drawings. In [[1977]], Queen Margrethe's drawings were published in the Danish translation of the book (''Ringenes Herre'', edition by publishers Gyldendal; one illustration for each chapter<ref>''[[Complete Songs and Poems|Complete Songs & Poems: The Lord of the Rings]]'' [booklet], p.14</ref>), redrawn by the British artist [[Eric Fraser]]. Under the pseudonym Ingahild Grathmer her illustrations were also featured in a British edition of ''The Lord of the Rings'', published by [[The Folio Society]].

Queen Margrethe gave permission to use her illustrations in the CD layouts for the musical interpretation of the poems and songs from ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' by the Danish music group [[The Tolkien Ensemble]].

==Reminiscence==

"[[Rayner Unwin]] was always keen on anecdotes and a friendly soul and he participated a number of times at the annual Oxonmoot arranged by the English [[The Tolkien Society|Tolkien Society]]. For instance when in 1998 he told the Danish participants the thrilling story of how the special edition of ''The Lord of the Rings'' illustrated by Ingahild Grathmer came into production in 1977:''

'Would you believe it, when we met with Her Majesty to have the designs for the book approved, she exclaimed: 'But why did you turn one of my drawings upside down?' I have never been so embarrassed, my face turned all red. Imagine, I just couldn't see what was up and down on her drawing," he acknowledged and gave a big smile of the funny episode.

Ingahild Grathmer is the pseudonym used by H.M. Queen Margrethe II at the time of publication in 1977." ([[Lars-Terje Lysemose]]<ref>[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/news/news1.html Older news stories: archive 2: Death of Rayner Unwin] at The Tolkien Society home page, retrieved July 27, 2010</ref>)

==Bibliography, selected==
===Articles===
*[[1992]]: ''[[Tolkien Centenary Conference 1992]]''
**[Recollection; untitled] (from an interview conducted by Thorkild Hansen in 1979)

==External links==
* {{WP|Margrethe II of Denmark}}

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