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Fingon

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{{noldor infobox
| name=Fingon
| image=[[File:Anna Lee - Fingon.jpg|250px]]
| caption="Fingon" by [[:Category:Images by Anna Lee|Anna Lee]]
| pronun=[[Sindarin|S]], {{IPA|[ˈfiŋɡon]}}
| othernames=''Findekáno'' ([[Quenya|Q]], [[Father-name|fn]])
| titles=[[High King of the Noldor]]
| position=
| location=[[Tirion]]; [[Dor-lómin]]
| affiliation=[[Union of Maedhros]]
| language=[[Quenya]] and [[Sindarin]]
| birth={{YT|1260}}
| birthlocation=[[Tirion]]
| rule={{FA|456}} - {{FA|472|n}}
| death={{FA|472}}
| deathlocation=[[Anfauglith]] in [[Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]
| age=c. 2771<ref group="note">Years of the Sun. Each Year of the Tree is equal to 9.582 Years of the Sun, and the Years of the Trees ended in the year 1500.</ref>
| notablefor=Rescuing [[Maedhros]] Battling [[Glaurung]] Battling [[Gothmog (balrog)|Gothmog]]
| house=[[House of Fingolfin]]
| parentage=[[Fingolfin]] and [[Anairë]]
| siblings=[[Turgon]], [[Aredhel]] and [[Argon]]<ref group=note>[[Argon]] only appears in very late writings by [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] as published in ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'', and is left out of the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]''.</ref>
| spouse=
| children=None (but [[Gil-galad]] in published ''[[The Silmarillion|Silmarillion]]'')
| gender=Male
| height=
| hair=Dark
| eyes=
| clothing=
| weapons=Bow and sword
| steed=
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{{quote|Of all the children of Finwë he is justly most renowned: for his valour was as a fire and yet as steadfast as the hills of stone; wise he was and skilled in voice and hand; truth and justice he loved and bore good will to all, both Elves and Men, hating Morgoth only; he sought not his own, neither power nor glory, and death was his reward.|''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', "[[Quenta Silmarillion (Lost Road)|Quenta Silmarillion]]", §94}}

'''Fingon''' was a [[Noldor]]in prince, and later [[High King of the Noldor]], noted for his skill in battle and was thus named "the Valiant" by his cousin [[Maedhros]].

Fingon was the eldest son of [[Fingolfin]] and [[Anairë]], and he was the older brother of [[Turgon]], [[Aredhel]], and [[Argon]]. Fingon led the largest host in the [[Flight of the Noldor]] from [[Aman]] to [[Middle-earth]] where he then ruled over [[Dor-lómin]] and [[Hithlum]]. He ruled the Noldor as High King from {{FA|456}}, following the death of his father in single combat with [[Morgoth]]. However, Fingon is mostly remembered for his friendship with Maedhros, who he rescued from the peaks of [[Thangorodrim]], and for the manner of his death in battle with the [[Balrog]] [[Gothmog (balrog)|Gothmog]] during the [[Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]. He was succeeded as High King by his brother [[Turgon]], who ruled the Noldor from [[Gondolin]].

==History==
===In Aman===
Fingon was born in the [[Year of the Trees 1260]],<ref>{{NM|P1xxii}}</ref> being the eldest son of [[Anairë]]<ref name=Finwe></ref> and [[Fingolfin]], son of [[King of the Noldor]] [[Finwë]]. Whilst in Aman lived in [[Tirion]], home of the [[Noldor]] in [[Valinor]].<ref name="Eldamar">{{S|Eldamar}}</ref>

In {{YT|1495}}, [[Morgoth]], with the help of [[Ungoliant]], destroyed the [[Two Trees]], stole the [[Silmarils]] from the fortress of [[Formenos]] and killed Finwë.<ref name="AA">{{AA|107-128}}</ref> In anger, Fingon's uncle [[Fëanor]] made a speech in Tirion and, with [[Sons of Fëanor|his sons]], made [[Oath of Fëanor|an oath]] to recover the Silmarils and lead the Noldor in to Beleriand. Although Fingolfin was reluctant to join the flight, he went out of love for Fingon who, with his brother [[Turgon]], strongly supported Fëanor.<ref name="Flight">{{S|Flight}}</ref>

During the [[Flight of the Noldor]], Fingon led the largest host and his people supported Fëanor in the [[Kinslaying at Alqualondë|First Kinslaying]] at [[Alqualondë]]. Once the host reached [[Araman]] in {{YT|1496}} there was great debate about how to reach [[Middle-earth]]. Fëanor's people secretly took all the [[Swan-ships]] and passed over the sea to land at [[Drengist]]; [[Maedhros]] - who was friendly with Fingon - wanted to send the ships back first to retrieve "Fingon the valiant" but Fëanor burnt the ships at [[Losgar]].<ref name="Flight" /> Fingon, with the rest of the Noldor of Fingolfin and his cousin [[Finrod]], had to cross the dangerous grinding ice of [[Helcaraxë]] with much loss of life. They arrived in Middle-earth in {{YT|1500}}, after Fëanor had been killed in the second [[Battles of Beleriand|battle]] of [[Beleriand]], [[Dagor-nuin-Giliath]].<ref>{{GA|52}}</ref><ref name="Return">{{S|Return}}</ref>
[[File:Jenny Dolfen - Speed now this feathered shaft.jpg|thumb|left|''Speed now this feathered shaft'' by [[Jenny Dolfen]]]]

===Rescue of Maedhros===
In {{FA|1}}, soon after their arrival in Middle-earth following the rising of the [[Sun]] and [[Moon]], the host of [[Fingolfin]] were attacked in the [[Battle of the Lammoth]]. Although victorious in battle against the [[Orcs]], Fingon's brother Argon was surrounded and killed.<ref>{{PM|Shibboleth}}, p. 362</ref>

There was no great love between the Houses of Fingolfin and Fëanor following the latter's burning of the ships, causing the former to cross the Helcaraxë. Fingon resolved to rebuild the relationship between these two great houses of the Noldor, so in {{FA|5}} went on a noble quest to Thangorodrim to rescue his cousin and friend Maedhros who had previously been captured by [[Morgoth]]. Travelling alone, and unseen in the darkness, Fingon climbed across the cracks and crevices of Thangorodrim but could not find Maedhros; eventually he took out his harp and sang. Finally, he could hear the distant voice of Maedhros singing in answer, but could not climb up to him. Maedhros begged Fingon to shoot him with his bow, but as Fingon cried to [[Manwë]] to "speed now this feathered shaft", the great [[Eagles|eagle]] [[Thorondor]] swooped down and lifted Fingon up. Fingon could not break Maedhros's chains - being of evil design by Morgoth - and although Maedhros begged Fingon to kill him, Fingon cut Maedhros's hand off at the wrist to free him. Borne back to [[Hithlum]] by Thorondor, Fingon's deed was praised as one of the most mighty amongst the Noldor. The hurt between the two houses was healed, and Maedhros waived the [[High King of the Noldor|High Kingship of the Noldor]] which then passed to Fingolfin.<ref name="Realms" />

[[Fingolfin]]'s people made their home in [[Hithlum]], mostly around [[Lake Mithrim]], and built the fortress of [[Barad Eithel]] to keep watch; in {{FA|7}}, at Maedhros's suggestion, Fëanor's sons moved to [[East Beleriand]].<ref>{{GA|65-71}}</ref> The region of [[Nevrast]] was taken by Fingon's brother [[Turgon]] (until he moved to [[Gondolin]]), whilst the south-western region of Hithlum, [[Dor-lómin]], was given to Fingon to rule over.<ref name="Realms">{{S|Beleriand}}</ref>

===In Hithlum===
[[File:Victoria Clare - Fingon and Glaurung.jpg|thumb|''Fingon and Glaurung'' by [[:Category:Images by Victoria Clare|Victoria Clare]]]]
Following the great victory of the [[Noldor]] in the [[Dagor Aglareb]], the Glorious Battle, Fingon lived in a watchful peace known as the [[Siege of Angband]].<ref name="Return"/> In {{FA|155}}, [[Morgoth]] sent a force of along the coast to [[Drengist]] to attack [[Hithlum]] from the west. Having been seen by the [[Noldor]], Fingon heavily defeated the Orcs, causing Morgoth to realize that orcs alone were no match for the Elves.<ref>{{GA|155}}</ref> Over a hundred years later in {{FA|260}}, the great [[Dragons|dragon]] [[Glaurung]] came forth from [[Angband]] to attack the Elves;<ref name="GA260">{{GA|260}}</ref> although a new breed of [[fire-drakes|fire-drake]], Glaurung was still relatively young and only half-grown. The Elves fled to [[Ered Wethrin]] and [[Dorthonion]] as Glaurung defiled the [[Ard-galen]], but Fingon led a troop of archers on horseback to attack Glaurung. He could not withstand their arrows and fled, and for the next 200 years the peoples of [[Beleriand]] enjoyed the [[Long Peace]] and grew prosperous.<ref name="Return" /> In {{FA|416}}, [[Fingolfin]] granted [[Dor-lómin]] to the [[House of Hador]], the third house of the [[Edain]], and Fingon presented [[Hador]] with a [[Dragon-helm of Dor-lómin|Dragon-helm]] which eventually passed to [[Túrin]].<ref>{{WJ|14}}, p. 228</ref><ref name="Narn">{{UT|Narn}}</ref>

In winter {{FA|455}}, rivers of fire suddenly sprang forth from [[Angband]], turning the Ard-galen into the [[Anfauglith]]. This began the [[Dagor Bragollach]], the Battle of Sudden Flame.<ref name="Ruin">{{S|Fingolfin}}</ref> The dragon Glaurung, now fully grown, led armies of [[Balrogs]] and [[Orcs]] in battle that resulted in the deaths of many Elves and Men. The remaining forces of the Noldor were scattered following this heavy defeat. Perceiving the ruin of the Noldor, Fingon's father Fingolfin challenged Morgoth to single combat. Fingolfin fought valiantly, and although he died in the battle, Morgoth himself was wounded and never again fought in single combat. Fingon then became [[High King of the Noldor]].<ref name="Ruin" /><ref name="Realms" />

Seven years later, in {{FA|462}}, Morgoth sent a force of Orcs to attack Fingon's people in Hithlum. Galdor, son of Hador, died defending [[Eithel Sirion]] and his son [[Húrin]] took up the [[Lords of Dor-lómin|lordship of Dor-lómin]] and served Fingon thereafter. To the west, battle took place in Hithlum, and Fingon would have succumbed had it not been for a force of [[Falathrim]] elves under the command of [[Círdan]] who sailed up the Firth of [[Drengist]] and helped defeat the Orcs.<ref name="Ruin" />

===Nirnaeth Arnoediad===
[[File:Ted Nasmith - Fingon and Gothmog.jpg|thumb|right|''Fingon and Gothmog'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]
Following the success of [[Beren]] and [[Lúthien]] in the [[Quest for the Silmaril]], [[Maedhros]] saw that Morgoth was not unassailable and was emboldened to form the [[Union of Maedhros]] of Elves, Men and [[Dwarves]]. Maedhros would attack from the east and Fingon from the west. They planned to trap Morgoth between the two armies.<ref name="Fifth">{{S|Fifth}}</ref> Unlooked for, Fingon's brother [[Turgon]] unleashed a force of ten thousand Elves from [[Gondolin]]. On seeing this, Fingon cried:

{{blockquote|'[[Utúlie'n aurë!]] Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!' And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered crying: 'Auta i lómë! The night is passing!'|''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'', "[[Of the Fifth Battle]]"}}

However, Maedhros' army had been delayed following the betrayal of [[Uldor]]. [[Morgoth]] therefore sent his Orcs swiftly over the Anfauglith to taunt Fingon and draw out his forces. They held firm until the Orcs brought forth [[Gelmir (son of Guilin)|Gelmir]] and cut off his legs, arms and head before them. [[Gwindor]], Gelmir's brother, was enraged by this; and he, with Fingon, led the charge. They reached the doors of Angband but all the [[Elves of Nargothrond]] were slain save Gwindor, who was taken captive.<ref name="Fifth" />

On the fourth day, Fingon retreated and met his brother Turgon on the plains of Anfauglith. Some hours later, the banners of [[Maedhros]] appeared on the battlefield and the Elves were heartened, believing victory was in their grasp. However, Morgoth then unleashed [[wolves]], dragons and Balrogs led by [[Glaurung]], who separated the hosts of Fingon and Turgon from Maedhros. This battle, the [[Nirnaeth Arnoediad]], The Battle of Unnumbered Tears, was the most grievous for the Elves. Fingon, with a host of Men from [[Dor-lómin]] led by [[Húrin]], was surrounded. Eventually, being pushed back, Fingon fought [[Gothmog (balrog)|Gothmog]], lord of [[Balrogs]] in battle, but was killed by Gothmog's black axe after another Balrog bound him with a whip. This brought an end to Fingon's realm in [[Hithlum]], and his brother Turgon became High King of the Noldor,<ref name="Fifth" /> whilst Húrin was captured and tortured personally by Morgoth.<ref name="Narn" />

== Etymology ==
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''Fingon'' is the [[Sindarized]] version of version of his [[Quenya]] [[father-name]], '''''Findekáno''''' ("Hair-shout"), from ''[[findë]]'' ("hair") + ''[[káno]]'' ("commander"). It is said it was given by his father as an echo of ''Finwë'' and because it fitted him due his long dark hair, combed in great plaits braided with gold.<ref name=Finwe>{{PM|Finwe}}, p. 345</ref>

Read as proper [[Sindarin]], ''Fingon'' is composed of ''[[fin]]'' ("hair") + ''-gon'' ("lord, prince").<ref>{{webcite|author=Paul Strack|articleurl=http://eldamo.org/content/words/word-3451802205.html|articlename=S. ''Fingon'' n.|website=Eldamo|accessed=21 March 2021}}</ref>

At some point, [[Tolkien]] considered and rejected the name as ''Fingorn'', from ''fin(wë)'' + ''[[gorn]]'' ("revered").<ref>{{PE|Eldarin}}, pp. 112-113</ref>

In the [[Noldorin]] phase of the [[Elvish]] languages, the name contains the elements ''find-'' ("skill") + ''-gon'' ("valour").<ref>{{LR|Etymologies}}, entries "[[KAN]]", "PHIN-"</ref>

== Genealogy ==
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== Other versions of the legendarium ==
===Earliest versions===
[[Christopher Tolkien]] observed that in the very earliest versions of the legendarium, there is no mention of Fingon (or Fingolfin, Finarfin or [[Finrod]])<ref>{{LT1|VIIn}}, p. 173</ref><ref>{{LT1|Xn}}, p. 243</ref> However, when he first appears in "[[The Lay of the Children of Húrin]]" in the 1920s he is named '''''Finweg'''''<ref>{{LB|1}}, p. 5</ref> (and on one occasion ''Fingweg''),<ref>{{LB|1e}}, 102</ref> a name he retains in the "[[The Quenta]]" of the early 1930s even though his story closely matches that of the published ''Silmarillion''. A more significant difference is that originally Fingon spoke against [[Fëanor]] at [[Tirion]],<ref>{{MR|Annals}}, pp. 121, 125</ref> whilst in the later 1951 version of ''Quenta Silmarllion'', Fingon and [[Turgon]] did not take part in the Kinslaying at [[Alqualondë]].<ref>{{MR|P3I7}}, p. 196</ref>

Fingon is renamed from ''Finweg'' the 1930s around the time of the ''[[Annals of Beleriand]]'',<ref>{{SM|7Ic}}, p. 316</ref> and was firmly ''Fingon'' by the time [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] reworked the ''[[Quenta Silmarillion (Lost Road)|Quenta Silmarillion]]'' in 1937-8.<ref>{{LR|Quenta}}, passim</ref> In an [[Old English]] version of the ''[[Quenta Noldorinwa]]'', Fingon's name is given as '''''Finbrand'''''.<ref>{{SM|QA1}}, p. 213</ref>

===Later versions===
In the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', Fingon was the father of [[Gil-galad]], which was a brief idea that Tolkien had, but this inclusion was an editorial decision by Christopher Tolkien who admitted it would have been better had his parentage remained obscure and that Gil-galad being the son of [[Orodreth]] was Tolkien's "last word on the subject".<ref>{{WJ|Ruin}}, pp. 242-3</ref><ref>{{PM|Gil-galad}}, passim</ref>

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Nirnaeth Arnoediad

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{{disambig-two|the battle|chapter of the same name|[[The Battle of Unnumbered Tears]]}}
{{battle
| name=Nirnaeth Arnoediad
| image=[[File:Mysilvergreen - The Battle of Unnumbered Tears.jpg|300px]]
| conflict=[[Wars of Beleriand]]
| date={{FA|472}}
| place=[[Anfauglith]] and the [[Fen of Serech]]
| result=Decisive victory for [[Morgoth]]
*[[Union of Maedhros]] disbanded
*Death of [[Fingon]]
*Capture of [[Húrin]]
*Invasion of [[Hithlum]] by the [[Easterlings (First Age)|Easterlings]]
*[[Fall of the Falas]]
*[[Sons of Fëanor]] retreat to [[Ossiriand]]
| side1=[[Union of Maedhros]] [[Gondolindrim]] army
| side2=Forces of [[Morgoth]] [[Easterlings (First Age)|Easterlings]] (under [[Ulfang]])<ref group=note>There is no mention of [[Ulfang]] taking part in the battle and it is noted that his son [[Uldor]] was the leader of the treachery, commanding his forces. It is unknown if he was alive or dead by that time or still alive after. In the appendix of ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings|The Lost Road]]'' it states that Ulfand (earlier form of Ulfang) was born in year 100, died 170. When comparing the dates with the earliest ''[[Annals of Beleriand]]'' Ulfand died two years before the battle which started at 172.</ref>
| commanders1=[[Maedhros]] 
[[Fingon]] † 
[[Turgon]] 
[[Mablung]] 
[[Beleg]] 
[[Gwindor]] 
[[Húrin|Húrin Thalion]] 
[[Haldir (Chieftain of the Haladin)|Haldir]] † 
[[Bór]] † 
[[Azaghâl|Azaghâl of Belegost]] † 
[[Caranthir]] 
[[Maglor]] 
[[Huor]] † 
[[Círdan]] 
[[Glorfindel]] 
[[Ecthelion]] 
| commanders2=[[Morgoth]] 
[[Gothmog (balrog)|Gothmog]] 
[[Glaurung]] 
[[Uldor]] † 
Unnamed Captain of Morgoth<ref name="UT">{{CH|2}}</ref> † 
| forces1=[[Elves]], [[Men]], [[Dwarves]]. Specific numbers are not given other than force of 10,000 [[Gondolindrim]]<ref name="NA">{{S|20}}</ref>
| forces2=Full strength of [[Angband]] including [[Balrogs]], [[Wolves]], [[Orcs]], [[Dragons]], see note on numbers.<ref group=note>In the ''[[Annals of Beleriand]]'' it is written that there were 100,000 [[Orcs]] and 1000 [[Balrogs]] when [[Morgoth]] emptied [[Angband]]. It is unclear if this number was definite since Tolkien had revised the number of Balrogs significantly over the development of the story.</ref>
| casual1=Heavy
| casual2=Unknown
}}
{{quote|Then in the plain of [[Anfauglith]], on the fourth day of the war, there began Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Unnumbered Tears, for no song or tale can contain all of its grief.|''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'', "[[Of the Fifth Battle: Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]"}}
The '''Nirnaeth Arnoediad''', also known as the '''Battle of Unnumbered Tears''', was the fifth battle in the [[Wars of Beleriand]] fought between the forces of [[Morgoth]] and the [[Union of Maedhros]]. Its name was taken from the first words of the [[Doom of Mandos]]: ''"Tears unnumbered ye shall shed..."''. The battle was a pivotal moment in the war as the northern power of the [[Elves]] took heavy casualties, allowing Morgoth to exercise his dominance over [[Beleriand]].

==Background==
{{main|Union of Maedhros}}
In the almost two decades since their defeat in the [[Dagor Bragollach]], the [[Noldor]] had lost control over the entire north of Beleriand, and were, for the most part, reduced to refugees dwelling in [[Hithlum]] and [[Nargothrond]]. [[Gondolin]] was shut up and unknown.

In {{FA|468}},<ref>{{GA|212}}</ref> [[Maedhros]] after hearing the deeds of [[Beren]] and [[Lúthien]] perceived Morgoth was not unassailable and planned to take the offence against [[Angband]] before Morgoth would destroy them all one by one. Thus he set out plans to reunite the foes of Morgoth under a new league, the [[Union of Maedhros]].<ref name="NA"/>

Under this [[Union of Maedhros]] all the [[Elves]] of Beleriand, as well as the [[Edain]], [[Dwarves]], and the newly arrived [[Easterlings (First Age)|Easterlings]] were invited to combine in arms and fight Morgoth. The smithies of [[Nogrod]] and [[Belegost]] were busy preparing weapons and the Easterlings following [[Bór]] and [[Ulfang]] were trained for war. In west Beleriand the [[Noldor]] in [[Hithlum]] prepared as well as the Men of the [[house of Hador]] and [[people of Haleth]]. Tidings of the Union also came to [[Turgon]].<ref name="NA"/>

Because of the evil deeds of [[Celegorm]] and [[Curufin]] it hindered Maedhros' plans, [[Orodreth]] the king of Nargothrond refused to participate, but [[Gwindor]] joined the Union, commanding a group of Elves against his will. From [[Doriath]], where [[Thingol]] had sworn never to fight beside any son of Fëanor, came only [[Mablung]] and [[Beleg]], who did not wish to remain behind.<ref group=note>In the ''[[The Grey Annals]]'' Thingol sends a small force of Grey-elves with Mablung, Beleg is not mentioned to have gone to war.</ref><ref name="NA"/>

A year later<ref>{{GA|213}}</ref> Maedhros made the first trial of his strength and cleared the northward regions of Beleriand of Orcs and regained much of the land the Elves lost in the Dagor Bragollach, even [[Dorthonion]] was freed. Unbeknown to Maedhros Ulfang and his followers were in secret league with Morgoth and he was well aware of the plans of the Union from his spies.<ref name="NA"/>

==Strategy and array==
The [[Union of Maedhros]] was divided into two hosts, the western host was commanded by Fingon and the eastern host was commanded by Maedhros.

'''Western Host'''
*'''[[Fingon]]'''
**[[Noldor]] of [[Hithlum]]
**[[Gwindor]]
***[[Elves of Nargothrond]]
**[[Círdan]]
***[[Falathrim]]
**[[Húrin|Húrin Thalion]] and [[Huor]]
***[[Men of Dor-lómin]]
**[[Haldir (Chieftain of the Haladin)|Haldir]]
***[[Men of Brethil]]
**[[Mablung]] and [[Beleg]] of [[Doriath]]
'''Eastern Host'''
*'''[[Maedhros]]'''
**[[Fëanorians|Noldor of East Beleriand]]
**[[Maglor]] (and Maedhros)
***[[Bór]]
****[[Easterlings (First Age)|Easterlings]] (faithful)
**[[Caranthir]]
***[[Ulfang]]
****[[Easterlings (First Age)|Easterlings]] (faithless)
**[[Azaghâl]]
***[[Dwarves of Belegost]]

The strategy of the Union was for Maedhros to march in force into [[Anfauglith]], there he hoped Morgoth would respond by sending out his armies to meet the eastern host. The western host would remain hidden in the woods and valleys east of [[Ered Wethrin]] waiting for the firing of a great beacon in [[Dorthonion]]. Upon firing of the beacon Fingon would lead his host and engage the host of Morgoth from the west hoping to break it like hammer and anvil. The western host was reinforced later when [[Turgon]] unexpectedly came forth with ten thousand [[Gondolindrim]].<ref name="NA"/>

==History==
===Prelude===
{{blockquote|Then When Fingon heard afar the great trumpet of Turgon, the shadow passed and his heart was uplifted, and he shouted aloud: 'Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatarni, utúlie'n aurë! The day has come! Behold, people of the Eldar and Fathers of Men, the day has come!' And all those who heard his great voice echo in the hills answered crying: 'Auta i lómë! The night is passing!'|The Children of Húrin, The Battle of Unnumbered Tears}}

On the morning of Midsummer the trumpets of the Eldar greeted the rising of the sun and hosts of [[Fingon]] and [[Maedhros]] gathered in the west and east. Fingon on the walls of [[Eithel Sirion]] saw his host arrayed, hidden in the woods and he looked to the east and through the dust he saw the glint of steel and indeed Maedhros had set forth into [[Anfauglith]]. A dark cloud gathered about [[Thangorodrim]] and the wrath of Morgoth was aroused and he accepted the challenge. A shadow of doubt fell upon the heart of Fingon then suddenly a cry went up of wonder and joy, as [[Turgon]] had come unsummoned and unlooked for with his host - "ten thousand strong, with bright mail and long swords and spears like a forest".<ref name="NA"/>

Fingon received Turgon's army with the cry ''"[[Utúlie'n aurë!]]"'' and they stationed guarding the passes of [[Sirion]] and he became hopeful. Morgoth through his spies had learned of the battle plan, and his treacherous servants had delayed [[Maedhros]]' march to prevent swift union of the two forces.<ref name="NA"/>

===Battle===
[[File:Peter Xavier Price - Gwindor's Charge.jpg|left|thumb|''Gwindor's Charge'' by [[Peter Xavier Price]]]]
Morgoth then moved forward with his plan, that same hour a host of Orcs sallied forth from [[Angband]] to provoke the western host to attack and another greater host was sent to meet Maedhros.<ref name="UT"/> The hearts of the Noldor grew restless and the captains wished to assail the Orc-host in the plains, but Fingon forbade this and to urge caution and to wait for the Orcs to assault the hills.<ref name="UT"/><ref group=note>In ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' this warning was told by [[Húrin]].</ref> Within sight of the [[Ered Wethrin]], [[Gwindor]]'s brother [[Gelmir]], captured during the [[Dagor Bragollach]], was brought forth, and brutally slain. Enraged, Gwindor broke ranks and charged along with his men. From their hidden positions in the eastern hills, Fingon's forces suddenly charged along with them. The Orc host was taken by surprise and swiftly defeated, and the sudden charge of Fingon's army nearly foiled Morgoth's plans; the forces of Gwindor and Fingon pushed forth, reaching Angband itself.<ref name="NA"/>

Morgoth shook upon his throne as Gwindor's company pounded at his gates above. They burst through, and slew the guards on the steps of Angband itself, though Morgoth had trapped them. They were then ambushed with hidden forces set about Angband; all of Gwindor's company was slain and Gwindor himself was captured. From clandestine gates around Angband, thousands of Orcs erupted suddenly, repulsing the host of Fingon from the walls. The Elven army was driven back in great slaughter, and many [[Haladin]] fell fighting in the rearguard including their lord [[Haldir (Chieftain of the Haladin)|Haldir]].<ref name="NA"/>

[[File:Joona Kujanen - The Fall of Azaghal.jpg|thumb|left|''The Fall of Azaghâl'' by [[:Category:Images by Joona Kujanen|Joona Kujanen]]]]
[[Turgon]], who had withheld his host from the reckless charge, now came upon the Orc host. The phalanx of Turgon broke through the Angband lines, and met with the guard of Fingon.

Finally, Maedhros arrived, but before he could make junction with Fingon and Turgon, Morgoth unleashed his last strength and all of Angband was emptied; wolves, wolfriders, Balrogs, dragons and with them [[Glaurung]]. Union forces could yet have prevailed, but [[Uldor]] turned ranks and attacked Maedhros in the rear, while more of his kin came down from the mountains and attacked from the east. [[Maglor]] slew Uldor in single combat<ref group=note>In ''[[The Grey Annals]]'' Uldor was slained by Cranthir (Caranthir)</ref>, [[Bór]] and his sons slew [[Ulfast]] and [[Ulwarth]] and they themselves were slain, but could not turn the tide of the battle. Under assault from three sides, the eastern host was scattered, and only the valour of the [[Dwarves]] of [[Belegost]] helped them escape, as their lord [[Azaghâl]] and his forces held off Glaurung, allowing the [[sons of Fëanor]] to escape into [[Ossiriand]].<ref name="NA"/>

[[Image:Jenny Dolfen - Nirnaeth Arnoediad - Unnumbered Tears.jpg|thumb|right|''Nirnaeth Arnoediad - Unnumbered Tears'' by [[Jenny Dolfen]]]]
[[Azaghâl]] and his army fought with fierce iron masks on, and they were able to resist the fire far better than any Elf or Man. Then Glaurung trampled Azaghâl beneath his feet, but Azaghâl ran a dagger through Glaurung's stomach, and the dragon fled in pain. Many beasts retreated with him. In a solemn ceremony, the Dwarves picked up their fallen leader, abandoning the battle, and marched him home in a great procession. Their wrath was so great that none troubled them.<ref name="NA"/>

All this had not helped the western host, who were attacked by many Orcs under [[Gothmog (balrog)|Gothmog]]. Gothmog cut a path to Fingon and fought him in single combat. After another Balrog bound him with a whip, Fingon was hewed by Gothmog's black axe and his body was beaten with maces. [[Húrin]] begged Turgon to retreat back to Gondolin, knowing now he was the last of the [[House of Fingolfin]] and Gondolin still remained hidden so Morgoth would still know fear in his heart. [[Huor]] then said to the king that from his house the hope of Elves and Men will come and 'from me and you a new star shall arise.' Huor and Húrin and the remaining [[Men of Dor-lómin]] formed a living wall across the [[Fen of Serech]], buying time for Turgon to escape with what remained of the Elves of Gondolin and Fingon's host. Acting as a rearguard, these Men were almost all slain – Huor fell when his eye was pierced by a poisoned arrow. His brother Húrin fought ferociously to buy his allies time to escape, fighting until his axe withered away. Morgoth had ordered him to be taken alive, however; he killed no fewer than seventy Orcs<ref group=note>In ''[[The Grey Annals]]'' it was a hundred Orcs</ref> and Trolls before he became pinned under their corpses, and was later taken prisoner by Gothmog.<ref name="NA"/>

===Aftermath===
[[File:Ted Nasmith - The Hill of Slain.jpg|thumb|''The Hill of Slain'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]
The Orcs gathered all of the slain Elves and Men and piled them in a mound in the midst of the desolate landscape and it was so great it could be seen from afar, and the Elves named it [[Haudh-en-Nirnaeth]], Hill of Tears or Haudh-en-Ndengin, Hill of the Slain. Grass grew on that hill long after the battle but nowhere else in Anfauglith and no servant of Morgoth would go near it.<ref name="NA"/>

Morgoth now had complete dominance in the north and his servants pressed southwards whenever. Morgoth sent the Easterlings that served him into Hithlum and shut them in and denied to them the fertile lands of [[Beleriand]]. The Easterlings plundered and harassed the women, children and old of Hador's people and what remnant of Elves still in Hithlum was sent to the mines of Angband. In the east the sons of Fëanor were scattered and they retreated to the woods and mountains and Himring was occupied by the Orcs. A year later Morgoth [[Fall of the Falas|sacked the havens]] of the [[Falas]].<ref name="NA"/>

Morgoth's destruction was not entirely complete, however, for Turgon, now [[High King of the Noldor]] after the death of Fingon, had evaded capture, and his city Gondolin was still unknown to Morgoth. [[Doriath]] and [[Nargothrond]] still remained.<ref name="NA"/>

==Etymology==
''Nirnaeth ''(or ''Nírnaeth'')'' Arnoediad ''(or ''Arnediad'') is [[Sindarin]] for "Tears Uncountable".<ref>{{WJ|Index}}</ref><ref>{{S|Index}}</ref>

Note that the "oe" of "Arnoediad" is not the Sindarin diphthong "oe", but rather the single [[i-affection|umlaut]] vowel "œ", better represented with a ligature.<ref>{{LR|Etymologies}}, entry "NOT"</ref>

==Other versions of the legendarium==
The earliest concept of the battle appears in ''[[Gilfanon's Tale]]'' and is named the '''Battle of Unnumbered Tears'''. The text was abandoned by Tolkien and what information of the battle existed in outlines for the ''[[Lost Tales]]'', from it many essential features would remain in later writings including the death of the leader of the [[Gnomes]] (Noldor), treachery of Men - corrupted by [[Melko]] and [[Turgon]] escaping with his host.<ref>{{LT1|Xn}}</ref>

A common element of the battle in the drafts is that the [[Union of Maedhros]] comprises of two hosts, a western force commanded by [[Fingon]] and a eastern force commanded by [[Maedhros]]. This division was mainly due to strategy employed by the leaders, a hammer and anvil tactic to encircle and destroy the host of [[Morgoth]]. In the ''[[Sketch of the Mythology]]'' the division is caused because the Fëanorians refuse to be led by [[Fingon|Finweg]] (Fingon) thus the host is divided and the other is led by [[Maidros]] and [[Maglor]].<ref name="S">{{SM|2}}</ref> This animosity between the two factions was changed later to have them more friendly and cooperative. This is part of the frequent revisions that Tolkien made of the composition and allegiances of the armies:
*In the earlier drafts the Dwarves of [[Belegost]] and [[Nogrod]] do not participate in the battle but instead help arm the eastern host as well as 'many armies' - their "smithies were busy in those days".<ref name="Q11">{{SM|Q11}}</ref><ref name="QS">{{LR|P2VI}}</ref> The Dwarves were more concerned with war profiteering than fighting,<ref>{{GA|212|note}}</ref> it is said that they gained much "wealth and jewelry of Elves and Men", and they "did not favour either side".<ref group=note>This line is different depending on which draft you read. In the ''[[Quenta]]'': 'For we do not know the rights of this quarrel,' they[Dwarves] said 'and we are friends of neither side-until it hath the mastery.' In the ''[[Quenta Silmarillion (Lost Road)|Quenta Silmarillion]]'': 'For we do not know the right causes of this quarrel,' they[Dwarves] said, 'and we favour neither side-until one hath the mastery.'</ref> This is from the earlier view of the Dwarves that they were neutral and so inclined to deal with the servants of Morgoth.<ref>{{LT2|IV}}</ref> The ''[[Sketch of the Mythology|Sketch]]'' mentions that the Fëanorians made war upon them but this was later changed to converse.<ref name="S"/> In the later writings Tolkien made the Dwarves 'less evil' and they now participate in the battle and the Dwarves of Belegost were able to hold their ground against the brood of [[Glaurung]] and their lord [[Azaghâl]] wounds Glaurung.<ref>{{GA|232}}</ref> This is incorporated in ''[[The Silmarillion]]''.
*In the ''[[Sketch of the Mythology|Sketch]]'' and ''[[Quenta]]'' (as originally written) Turgon is already with Finweg in [[Hithlum]] and is one of the commanders of the western host. When they are defeated Turgon flees with the remnant of the Gnomes down [[Sirion]] thanks to the heroics of [[Húrin]] and [[Huor]]. It is here that their scouts discover the [[Tumladen|valley]] encircled by the mountains and establish [[Gondolin]]<ref name="S"/><ref>{{SM|Q15}}</ref>. In the ''Quenta'' there was a change and it had Turgon coming forth 'unlooked for' with a great host, which would mean that Gondolin was already established before the battle.<ref name="Q11"/> The foundation of Gondolin occurring before the battle remained in later writings.
*In ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' [[Thingol]] did not send any of his people to war save only [[Mablung]] and [[Beleg]].<ref>{{S|20}}</ref> In the ''Sketch'' Thingol does indeed send help and allows the 'Gnomes of Doriath' to join the Union and a 'few from [[Doriath]]'. These Gnomes were refugees when Morgoth broke the [[Siege of Angband]] and they arrived to Doriath to take service to Thingol and [[Melian]].<ref name="S"/> This element originates from ''[[The Tale of Tinúviel]]'' where some Noldoli are in Tinwelint's service.<ref>{{LT2|I}}</ref> In another version Thingol sends Mablung and a small force of Grey-elves.<ref>{{GA|221}}</ref>
*In the earlier drafts Maidros' host consist of Men, Gnomes and [[Ilkorins]] or Dark-elves.<ref name="S"/> The Ilkorins were an early name for [[Úmanyar]]. The Dark-elves answer the summons of Maidros but they are not from Doriath<ref name="Q11"/> but from the south,<ref name="QS"/> where they fled after Morgoth broke the [[Siege of Angband]].<ref>{{SM|Q9}}</ref> Furthermore the [[Green-elves]] of [[Ossiriand]] join Maidros in the battle.<ref name="QS"/> The explicit mention of Dark-elves and Green-elves joining the battle disappeared in the latest writings which is most likely due to keeping consistency of the story, Thingol refusing to help and the Green-elves refusing to go to war after the death of their leader. In ''The Silmarillion'' it states Maedhros gathered all the strength of Elves, Men and Dwarves.

In ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' Morgoth plans to send a decoy force to draw out Fingon, which succeeds due to the dismembering of the prisoner [[Gelmir (son of Guilin)|Gelmir]]. However this element plays out differently in early drafts, for instance in the ''Sketch'' it has Finweg's host advance into Dor-na-Fauglith ([[Anfauglith]]) and they defeat an Orc host, they pursue them only to fight against a greater host when they reach Angband. There is no prisoner but the element of Finweg fighting two hosts in the opening stages remained in later writings.<ref>{{SM|2a}}</ref> This is further developed in the ''Quenta'', Finweg does not advance nor is their any Orc host present, but Finweg send heralds to Angband to summon the hosts of Morgoth, Morgoth replies by sending a host out with a captured herald and they slew him in front of Finweg which provokes him and the entire host to charge.<ref name="Q11"/> Notice that it is Finweg that is provoked by the slewing of the herald, this later changes to [[Gwindor]], who was also present in the battle but is named Flinding. The use of the heralds was abandoned in later writings,<ref>{{SM|CQ11}}</ref> so the role was replaced by Gelmir who was now in the later writings the brother of Gwindor.

[[Turgon]] was originally already in [[Hithlum]], however this was altered when Tolkien had [[Gondolin]] already existing before the battle so Turgon would arrive later on the day onlooked.<ref name="Q11"/> In the ''[[The Earliest Annals of Beleriand|Annals of Beleriand]]'' there is different version of events where Turgon does not arrive to take part in preparation near Hithlum, instead he emerges from [[Taur-na-Fuin]] unlooked for and engages the Orcs that were driving back Fingon's host.<ref>{{SM|7I}}</ref>

The battle was originally the third Battle of the [[Wars of Beleriand]] but was replaced by the [[Dagor Bragollach]] and it became the fourth battle<ref>{{SM|Index}}</ref> and then eventually to the fifth battle.

The Elvish name went through many changes in Tolkien's writings. In the stories of the ''[[Lost Tales]]'' it appeared as [[Gnomish]] '''Nínin-Udathriol''' or [[Qenya]] '''Nieriltasinwa'''.<ref>{{LT2|Appendix}}</ref> Later revised to '''Nínin Unothradin''' or '''Nirnaithos Unothradin''',<ref>{{LB|1a}}</ref> and again later to '''Nirnaith Únoth''' then to '''Nirnaith Ornoth'''<ref>{{LB|1d}}</ref> in the ''[[The Lay of the Children of Húrin]]''. In the drafts it appeared as '''Nirnaith Irnoth''' then changed to '''Nirnaith Dirnoth'''<ref>{{SM|7In}}</ref> There was another variant '''Dagor Nirnaith'''.<ref>{{LR|A2}}</ref> '''Nírnaith Arnediad''' was the name of the battle in the ''[[Quenta Silmarillion (Lost Road)|Quenta Silmarillion]]'' which had another variant '''Nírnaeth Arnediad''' (or Aronoded).<ref>{{LR|P3}}</ref> The final form was now '''Nirnaeth Arnoediad''', which had another variant '''Dagor Arnediad'''<ref>{{WJ|P1}}</ref>

==See also==
* [[:Category:Images of Nirnaeth Arnoediad|Images of Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]

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-- [[User:Mith|'''Mith''']] ([[User talk:Mith|'''Talk''']]/[[Special:Contributions/Mith|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Mith/Edits|Edits]]) 18:43, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

==Hello!==
Thanks for your recent contributions, LorenzoCB! When you write at talk pages, please make sure to sign your posts with <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>, which will automatically show a link to your user name and date/time when writing the post.

--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 22:15, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

== Middle-earτh Shadow of War ==
Hello. Can you upload at least one image related to the videogame [[Middle-earth: Shadow of War|Middle-earth Shadow of War]]?I don't have the ability to upload images on Tolkien Gateway but you do have this ability.
:Hi! I recommend you to make your own account, then you can write all the article about Middle-earth: Shadow of War, as it is almost empty and you seem to be very interested on it. When you get 50 editions you'll be able to upload images. Now please, stop spamming about that. I won't do it, I personally don't like those games.--[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 14:40, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
Hello. I would like to upload an image on page [[Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor]] but I can't upload images on Tolkien Gateway. Can you upload this image that I have uploaded on the specific page.
:There you have it :) You need 50 edits to upload images, btw. Hope you can get them improving the game articles. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 22:11, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

== Dagor Dagorath ==
Hi LorenzoCB, great job on your rewriting of the [[Dagor Dagorath]] article! Also, thank you for the kind corrections of my woeful ignorance of early names for characters in the Legendarium. Oops. :) --{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}} 18:26, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
:It was just a detail. Thank you for correcting my English, I couldn't imagine I made so many grammatical mistakes! --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 23:03, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
::Your English is a lot better than my Spanish :) And I'm just picky when it comes to grammar! --{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}}

== Help ==
Can you help me fix what I have done on page Isildur because I don't know what to do.
:I didn't see many problems. I fixed the style. Btw, I added the cover of Shadows of War. Last time I confused the games and uploaded the one for Shadows of Mordor :P Remember to sign when you write in a talkpage. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 17:09, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

== Image categories ==

Hi there. I don't know if you've noticed but there has been a convention (which isn't fully realised but increasingly I have slowly implemented) that for image categories the order has been 1) Artist 2) Where it's from 3) what/who it is depicting and these should be listed in alphabetical order (see [[:File:Alan Lee - The Elvenking's Gate.jpg]] as an example). If you could keep this in mind when changing or adding categories that would be appreciated. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 07:36, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
:Hi! Thanks for explaining that. I was trying to include the categories in alphabetical order, as I didn't relize there was a formal style for that. I'll do as you say. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 11:53, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

:Sure, although [[:File:Mysilvergreen - In a dungeon.jpg|this one]] and [[:File:Ted Nasmith - Tuor and Voronwë See Túrin at the Pool of Ivrin.jpg|this one]] weren't in alphabetical order. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:03, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

== Webcite ==

Hi. Just a note to remind you that, as per the usage information on [[Template:Webcite]], the "accessed" field is not optional; you should use this to show the date you accessed the page. Thanks! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:08, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

:As the date showed up authomatically I wasn't including it the last times, but now I see that it was just some kind of preview. Thanks for pointing it out. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 12:19, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
==Lost Tales==
Hi Lorenzo, I appreciate much your work on expanding the pages on HoMe.

Sometimes I have been thinking if we should dedicate some virtual "space" of this wiki for the Lost Tales continuity, I mean we already have LT-related articles like [[Gruir]], [[Gilfanon]], [[Noldoli]], [[Inglor]] and so on. However for topics that are covered in published canon, we use the "Other version of the Legendarium" section, see for example [[Tol_Eressea#Other_versions_of_the_Legendarium]] or [[Mandos#Other_versions_of_the_Legendarium]]. But I believe there is much more that deserves to be told about the LT topics. So I had the thought about creating alternate pages dedicated to the "alternate" versions of those topics, something like [[Tol Eressea (Lost Tales)]]. Perhaps we should also include them in categories like "Lost Tales characters" or "Lost Tales locations" and even have some template on the top of each article that notifies we are talking about the "Lost Tales continuity", instead of the generic one about Tolkien's early, unfinished and best thoughts. So we can have a fully functional sub-wiki within the wiki covering the LT topics in a clean way. Similar to how Wookieepedia handles the Canon and the Legends articles.

These are my first thoughts, and I'd like to know your thoughts, before opening a forum topic. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 23:44, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

:Hi Sage! Actually, I hate templates on the top of articles (because of how they look), but yours seems a good idea. It could help to clean the sections of OVOTL, that sometimes are a messy hotchpotch. However, I would wait until we have completed at least all the chapter summaries. The LT are a difficult topic, as there is not really a continuity (for example, I personally think that Christopher should have published the ''Part Two'' first), so I think it would be better to have a good base before clasifying things. And yes, I have planned to make those summaries at some point, don't know when.
:Happy new year. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 00:28, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello again. Please have a look at the article [[Chasm of Ilmen]] and tell me if we can identify which is the particular earlier (1931) and later (1951) Silmarillion CT says about. Obviously he refers to the Quenta Noldorinwa and the Later Quenta? Or perhaps one of them is the Quenta of the Lost Road? I am not very comfortable with the versions and the dates. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 17:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
:Hello. It took me a while to find the page, you should try to include them more often (if you have the book on hand, of course). Yes, "the 'Silmarillion' that followed Q" (1937) is the ''[[Quenta Silmarillion (Lost Road)]]'' (he cites LR p.242), while the text used in the 77's ''Silmarillion'' is ''Annals of Aman'' §177 (1951). --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 19:06, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

==Thank you==

Thank you for fixing my error on Christopher’s death date, LorenzoCB! I originally did have it as 16 January, but then I saw it as 15 January and thought it was an incorrect time conversion on my part. Whoops! — {{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}} 23:15, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

:Don't worry. That error has been giving problems in Wikipedia, as many newspapers were giving it mistakenly, and seems like the own Tolkien Family asked to some Tolkien Societies to clarify it.--[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 10:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
==Foaloke==
The foaloke is a type of dragon distinct from the Uruloke, it shouldn't be discussed in the same article. I think all relevant information should be contained in its distinct article. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 17:26, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

:''[[Foa]]'' was changed to mean "breath", but it doesn't specify if it is because a foaloke "breathes fire" (being then an uruloke), which is the most obvious deduction, as a dragon that just breathes has nothing in particular. However, I agree with having a separated article, but you should make it starting from ''foa'' as "breath", not "hoard". In OVOTL could be included the description of Glorund as a foaloke. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 19:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

== Sauron ==
Firstly, I am not explaining Sauron's origins, but why he fell. Introductions should never be blunt. The sections expand the content of briefly presented in the introduction.

Secondly, the quote I put is from The Silmarillion - Valaquenta: Of the Enemies. Take a look if you will, I believe it is the last sentence in the paragraph concerning Sauron. --[[User:LordoftheEarth|LordoftheEarth]] 12:51, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

:Ah, as you removed all my edit, I didn't see you later put the quote that there was in the first place. If you want to help the wiki, there are many things that need to be improved: [[Tolkien Gateway:To-do]]. But the Sauron article is one of the few that are pretty fine, that's why I'm concerned with it.--[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 12:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry if I myself am not that receptive or even annoying at times ... I'm having a bad time ... broke up with a girl and all that ... Let's leave the Sauron article as it is for now. I added on the talk page that I changed the image so if someone thinks it doesn't work then we'll change it. I'll try to help out on other articles as well, of course. I appreciate your dedication to the wiki! A nice time till next time! --[[User:LordoftheEarth|LordoftheEarth]] 13:07, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

:Sorry for being harsh when I point out the mistakes in your Talkpage. I get nervous when people make many edits for just one article, but I should have been more polite. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 16:11, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I would like to point out that I disagree with the choices of the new pics. However I would like to say that some of the recent edits were legit and shouldn't be reverted. When a user makes a lot of edits and another user doesn't agree with stylistic mistakes, they shouldn't revert all the edits, but rather fix the particular points. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 17:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

== Melkor's Messenger ==
I edited out Sauron and Ungoliant of the Servants of Melkor category, the reasons why are faily logical. Leaving these aside, does it say anyway if Melkor's messenger, Langon, in the Book of Lost Tales is an Ainu? I saw he is mentioned as such in the Allies and Servants of Morgoth section and I don't remember J.R.R. saying anything on Langon's nature. This is all I found on this emissary:
"Melko heard him and was in doubt, he would not come, but sent Langon his servant..."--[[User:LordoftheEarth|LordoftheEarth]] 12:34, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

:I disagree with removing that category from Sauron. He was his servant for a whole age. He can also have the category of 'Evil' because he later became independent, but he was a true servant, it doesn't matter if he forsook Morgoth; unlike Ungoliant, who was never under Morgoth's command. I fixed the info of [[Langon]], thanks for pointing that out. But there are better things than caring for the categories.--[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 13:49, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

== Lost Tales ==
Can you give me an example about that Gnomes category? For example, we should add this to the articles about Feanor and Beren ? [[User:Sage|Sage]] 18:41, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

:I mean for those characters that didn't have a development beyond the "Gnome" phase, like [[Gilfanon]], [[Littleheart]]... If in the future we make articles for Beren the Gnome and others, that category would be applied. But now those examples are categorized as "Noldor", anachronically. (You can answer me in your talkpage, btw). --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 19:37, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
==Oropher==
Please have a look at [[Talk:Oropher]]. There is a passage that has been overlooked. I think the page about Oropher itself, as well as topics about the Elves of Lindon, the Sindar etc have some mistakes concerning their migrations. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 10:46, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

:Answered, I hope I helped. Do you take care of the matter? --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 13:39, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

==Eduardo Segura==
Hey why did you remove the information and link from the article without an explanation?

And why do you plan leaving here? That was ''lathspel''. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 18:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

:Eduardo did work as a consultant for the movies, but he told me he had no impact, so it was not pertinent to include that info. He also asked me to remove that link, as he lost his web domain. Sorry, I should have indicated that, but as I am the only one involved with that article I didn't bother.

:I'm leaving because the wiki requires time, and I want to focus more on other projects and on my spiritual life. Also, I feel many things are gonna change soon and I don't think I'll be able to edit. But I'm still around here, I want to finish some things before. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 19:00, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

== Image of Tevildo ==

I was just wondering, where did you get that image (I know it's from "Beren and Lúthien", but where, specifically, did you find it on the internet)?

Also, where did you find the title of the image? --[[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]]

:I found it on the internet, yes, Pinterest or something. I just searched one with a good quality and then I removed the frame following the policy of the wiki. Usually the images of Alan Lee have the title of the chapter from where they come, but there is no rule about that, so I put a more pertinent title. Are you sure we need a gallery for ''Beren and Lúthien''? That imples uploading all its images... --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 12:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

::Well, I'm planning to upload the entirety of Alan Lee's artwork from both "Beren and Lúthien" as well as those from "The Fall of Gondolin", yet I'm not sure on what should the appropriate title for those images should be.

::For example, take a look at this [http://misbehavingmaiarhome.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/tumblr_p615bfVvjf1tlkwg5o4_1280.jpg image] from "Beren and Lúthien". In the list of plates from the aforementioned book, this particular image is named ''"Surely that is a Silmaril that shines now in the West?"''. --[[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]]

:::Oh, if the images are titled in the book, then we should use those titles. I'll change the title of the one with Tevildo when I can check my book. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 15:11, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

== Grammar on your user page ==
The past tense for the verb to teach in the third paragraph of your user page is wrong. You should write "Tolkien tought me ...". To teach is a verb with an irregular past tense. The past tense of teach is tought. I am not going to write anything in spanish here, but you are welcome to correct my spanish if I ever write anything in spanish. I picked up some spanish by listening to people and by reading the Diario de Cadiz during vacations in Spain (I have to admit that I had latin at school and french at school and at university, so I had some basis in roman languages to start from). My native language is german. I once read an article about books owned by J.R.R. Tolkien and was amazed to see that most of the books o that list were written in german. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 20:19, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

:Much appreciated! You can freely edit my Userpage if you want correct any grammar mistake. I'm searching now about it and the past tense of teach is actually t'''a'''ught: seems that t'''o'''ught is a common mistake, but thanks again for pointing out mine. About Tolkien's German books, Philology had had a strong development in Germany some time before Tolkien began college, so it was imperative for him to have those. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 20:47, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

::You are correct. The past tense of the verb teach is taught. Taught is one of the few words in english that end with aught. More words end with ought and are pronounced in the same way as words ending with aught. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 13:45, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

== Helge Fauskanger Optimal LOTR Prequel Movie ==
Have you ever read Helge's article about the Westernesse Movie? It would be cool, if Amazon Prime would read his article and adapt it like that.{{unsigned|Akhorahil}}

:Yes! I wish that too, it has very good ideas. But it is also too short, as it is only about Númenor, and Númenor only comes into the Second Age scenario after hundred of years. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 18:24, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

==Clarily==
First off, I just wanted to say thank you for all the work you've done on TG, it's always nice to see your username pop up under recent changes. I did want to mention clarily though, since I'm not entirely sure it's a word. I've seen you use it a few times, especially in etymology sections. It might just be a reoccurring typo; I think the word you're going for is "clearly". Sorry for being nitpicky, and for bugging you, I just wanted to let you know. --[[User:Grace18|Grace18]] 02:11, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

:Thanks for your words and correction. My English is still on work, so it is a relieve that we can count with users that take care of grammar. Feel free to correct my edits, I'll propably see it and learn from it. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 09:13, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

==Names of Sauron==
You can find the sources for the names and titles of Sauron that you asked for in the "Summary:" text box of your latest edit to the Sauron page on the Sauron page in the Origin section, in the Second Age section in the second paragraph, in the Black Years section in the last paragraph, in the On Númenor section in the second paragraph, in the The Necromancer section in the first paragraph, in the Etymology section and in the Other names and title section. If you have e-books of The Lord of the Rings and of the Silmarillion you can enter a name or title in the search field and look in which chapter or chapters on in which entry in the index it is included. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 14:43, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

:I know the references of the Elvish names (I included most of them). I meant the names like 'Dark Power' , 'Black One', 'Black Hand', 'Nameless', which do not have any reference through the article or the Names section. I think I'm removing those until somebody provides proper references. The infobox is ridiculously long. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 15:26, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

:Whatever. I'll try to find the references myself. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 15:29, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

::I can try to help pin some of them down. 'Black Hand' appears a couple pages into the "Of Túrin Turambar" chapter in the ''Silmarillion'', although I can't tell if that refers to Morgoth or Sauron, I would have to reread the chapter. However, in ''The Two Towers'', in The Black Gate is Closed, Gollum uses the name 'Black Hand' twice in reference to Sauron: "But master is going to take it to him, straight the the Black Hand" "He has only four [fingers] on the Black Hand". In ''Return of the King'' under The Pyre of Denethor, Gandalf twice refers to Sauron as the Dark Power, and the term is used later in the book. I'll work on some of the others, and try to add the references once I find them. Do the references just go in the infobox next to each name, and should all the names be references, even those that appear later in the article? --[[User:Grace18|Grace18]] 16:06, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

:::That's useful, thanks! I'm making a proper list in the Names section, there we can include the references and explanation when necessary. We should avoid including references within the infobox, as it is suppoused to be a summary of the article (at least that's how I see it). --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 16:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

::::Sounds good! Is there a list of names still missing their sources that I can work off of? I don't want to end up redoing work someone else has already done. Looking at the article right now, it's hard for me to see what is sourced and unsourced among the names. --[[User:Grace18|Grace18]] 16:16, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

:::::I claimed the article because this is a tough topic, now I'm checking articles about specific names of him. The names of the Valar are quite a mess, but looks like [[Aragorn]] and [[Morgoth]] are more urgent. You'll probably have to deal with names randomly separated in articles, which should be merged with the main article (or not if they are names shared by others). --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 17:06, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

::::::Okay. I will look into the Aragorn and Morgoth articles and see what I can do. By the way, you may already have this, but I did a bit more hunting around for the other names of Sauron you mentioned: 'Black One' is used by Gollum to refer to Sauron in ''The Two Towers'' under The Black Gate is Closed. 'Nameless One' is used by Faramir in ''The Two Towers'' under A Window on the West, and is later used by the men of Gondor in ''Return of the King'' under the Siege of Gondor. --[[User:Grace18|Grace18]] 17:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

:::::::No, I haven't checked those yet, you saved me time, much appreciated. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 18:12, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
==First Age==
Hey, which "single reference" are you referring to, and what is the "wiki's policy" concerning the "First Age of the Sun"? I am not aware of any such explicit policy and I think the "Ages of the Sun" is a fanon term (I looked for it in HoMe). [[User:Sage|Sage]] 09:47, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

:As far as I know, the main reference to the "First Age" as the continuation of the Elder Days is the one from the Appendices that says the Exile of the Noldor happened at the end of the First Age. However, Tolkien, the wiki and the fandom use massively the term to refer to the [[Timeline/First Age|dates]] after the rising of the Sun; it is not an explicit policy, but quite implicit. I said "First Age of the Sun" just to point out the difference between the different conceptions, I'm not proposing anything. There is a terminology hole and we should clarify that before mixing things around.--[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 11:18, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
::There is also a reference in HoMe that says that the First Age is much longer. Tolkien uses FA dates in the Grey Annals I think, but he doesn't equate FA 1 with solar year 1. This is a convention that began with Foster, which he admits is only a convention, and we follow it for better or worse, but no way it is a policy of the wiki, implicit or not, that we should consider everywhere in the articles that the First Age began in what Foster terms FA 1. Perhaps you might find some such references made years ago by other editors but it is not the first nor the last misconception that we detect in hindsight and we try to fix. On the contrary, that's what we should do. And yea, we follow fanon conventions when there is no better alternative, and when it is not contradicting the canon, but I think accepting "FA 1" as the beginning of the First Age within an article, is a mistake that perpetuates the misconception, and we have the option to avoid. I think removing or editing the First Age title in your list would do less "harm" than leaving it there. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 15:29, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

:::Where in the whole HoMe? I don't deny the facts, tho, but we cannot follow a convention and fix misconceptions at the same time. This is more complex than I thought and I'm just wondering, but I think that if we want to keep consistency in the wiki (which I think is prioritary), we have two options:
:::*To move the dates in [[Timeline/First Age]] to "Years of the Sun ##" or whatever proper term, and be sure that every mention to the "First Age" in the wiki corresponds to the same concept.
:::*To keep Foster's terminology, and explain the problem in the [[First Age]] article (which already does, btw).
:::What we cannot do is saying "the Exile of the Noldor happened at the end of the First Age in the {{FA|1}}". --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 16:16, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

== Userboxes ==

I noticed that other users have info boxes that seem to be unlisted in the [[userboxes]] page. Things like "whether or not you believe that Tom Bombadil is the father of nature." To be honest, I was a little envious, but I am also wondering if there is some error that might need to be called to attention. I could have asked Mith, but he doesn't respond as actively as I write, but also you have answered some of my other questions, so I am asking you.
Thank you, --[[User:Erónèhire|Erónèhire]] 04:22, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

:I didn't notice that. You can always click on edit a Userpage and copy whatever you want. Here is it: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Template:User_tom . --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 08:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

::I think they should all be in here: [[:Category:Userbox templates]]. It's the category for the Userbox templates. --[[User:Grace18|Grace18]] 13:57, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

:::OK, thanks!--[[User:Erónèhire|Erónèhire]] 15:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

== Arnor ==

Hello. I noticed you made some recent edits on [[Arnor]]. I'd like your opinion on what I wrote on [[Talk:Arnor]]. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 07:18, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

:Hi! I didn't notice what you say when I made those small edits, feel free to undo them. I find kinda rude that Tengwar made a massive edit when it is clear you were revising it slowly; remember claiming the article next time. I also don't know what to do with the article now, I'm not into the Third Age, so I can't add much. Maybe now that it is shorter, it will be easier to revise by adding what is missing (?) --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 08:25, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

== Edits to Ancalagon, Carn Dum and other pages by a user with various IP addresses ==
Thank you for fixing the text and references of the Ancalagon page after the edits by an Anonymous user that seems to use different IP addresses and that does not seem to know the templates for the references. I fixed the text and the references on the Carn Dum page after the edits by what seems Tonne the same user with his or her references without templates. Some statements in the page were wrong and a lot was about Angmar and not about Carn Dum and were speculative statements. In my opinion, it does not Make Sense to duplicate much from the Angmar page and to speculate that all troops from Angmar came from Carn Dum and that every statement about Angmar also refers to Carn Dum. I focused the page in what is known about Carn Dum. Maybe you can Check the etymology section. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 15:11, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

:Good work! Yep, it is not uncommon to see references given to support assumptions and speculations, instead of giving the specific info of the article. I'll check the Etymology section when I can. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 08:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

== Carn Dûm etymology ==
The statement that Carndoom and Caron-dûn mean Red Valley '''in Noldorin''' is just a theory, because the note in Return of the Shadow only says that it means Red Valley, but it does not say in which language Carndoom and Caron-dûn are. Of course we can make a theory based on components, like carn, caron, doom and dûn. Can we leave the theory that it is Noldorin or Sindarin to Mr. Salo and others and stick to the facts that are available in the reference for the Statement? --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 18:24, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

:''Caron-dûm'' has not only known [[Noldorin]] elements which correspond with the given gloss "Red Valley". The name was replaced by ''[[Nanduhirion]]'' (RS:433), which is Sindarin in LOTR, the next phase of the Noldorin language. I don't see any problem explaining what language a name is even if it is not explicitly indicated in the given reference: by sight an Elvish name can be easily identify as Q(u)enya or Sindarin/Noldorin, which is not the case with ''Carn-dûm'', as it casually corresponds with a Gaelic term. Tolkien didn't write every single name indicating "this is Quenya, this is Sindarin", so being that strict we would not be able to categorize most of the articles with Elvish names. Anyway, I'll change the section trying to keep order. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 19:34, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

== On the Ages headcanon ==

Hola Lorenzo,
Creo que tus creencias sobre las [[Age|Edades]] son muy interesantes. Aunque tengo un pensamiento rápido; en la Carta 211, Tolkien dice que cree que estamos al final de la Sexta Edad/comienzo de la Séptima. ¿Crees que quizás la Octava Edad podría ser aquella en la que Cristo regrese, o crees que la Sexta Edad está teniendo un final bastante largo?

Me disculpo; mi Español no es muy bueno y aprendí Español Latinoamericano.

--{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}} 22:04, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

:Buenos días Holdwine. Tu español se entiende perfectamente :) Espero que puedas entender mi parrafada.

:No creo que la Sexta Edad sea especialmente larga: en esa carta, Tolkien dice que desde el fin de la [[Third Age|Tercera Edad]] han pasado 6000 años aproximadamente, o sea que la [[Fourth Age|Cuarta Edad]] y la Quinta Edad pueden tener 2000 años cada una. Tampoco significa que nuestra edad actual vaya a acabar enseguida (o sí): Dios tiene el poder de prorrogar la historia todo lo que quiera (2 Pedro 3:8-9). He visto a muchos fans decir que empezamos una nueva edad con el fin de la Segunda Guerra Mundial, pero Tolkien no parece pensar eso (él escribió la carta en 1958). Además, no hay nada en el mundo que pueda igualar a la victoria de Cristo sobre la muerte. En cualquier caso, mi headcanon se basa más en conectar el legendarium con [[:Wikipedia:Six Ages of the World|las edades del mundo]] en las que Tolkien se inspiró: ¿tal vez el único punto de inflexión entre la ficción y la historia real sea la religión?

:¿Por qué crees que estemos en la Séptima Edad? Creo que la historia se puede medir de diferentes maneras, o sea que no es incompatible. En la Edad Media también se hablaba de que con Cristo empezó un tiempo de Sabbath, y que cuando vuelva comenzará la Octava Edad del Eterno Domingo. Es una idea muy bonita. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 08:56, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

::Ah, supongo que no entendí completamente esa cita. Eso es lo que sucede cuando saco una cita de contexto sin mirar mi libro para comprobarlo.
::Yo mismo soy un cristiano devoto y estoy fascinado con la Iglesia medieval. Tendré que buscar la creencia de la que hablaste. Ciertamente parece una idea buena y plausible, y creo que sería una buena experiencia.

:: Me alegro de que mi español sea comprensible. Han pasado tres años desde que me detuve para poder concentrarme en el latín, jaja.

::—{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}} 16:56, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

:::Yo encantado de hablar de estas cuestiones. Si quieres discutir otras cosas, no tengas problema en mandarme un e-mail o buscarme en Facebook. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 10:01, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Y como podemos buscarte en facebook? [[User:Sage|Sage]] 15:19, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

:Por mi nombre. Si ya estás en el grupo de The Tolkien Society, me encontrarás rápido, pues no hay muchos Lorenzos. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 15:22, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

== Silmarillion chapters ==

Thanks for cleaning up my chapter summaries. Sometimes I lose track of things or misinterpret them. [[User:Turiannerevarine|Turiannerevarine]] 12:53, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

:No problem, the idea is to help each us other. Thank you for making those summaries, they should have been done years ago. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 15:20, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

== References ==
It is useful to include more precise references, which are independent of the page numbering, because it makes it easier for readers with an edition with different page numbering to find the source. Altough Help:References says that no page numbers should be included for some publications (with different editions with different page numbering), such as Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-earth, I personally do not have a problem to also include a page number in addition to a reference that is independent of the page number (e.g. the number of the paragraph or whether something is mentioned at the beginning, in the middle or at the end of a chapter with many paragraphs that are hard to count). I would appreciate if you do not delete such abstract references. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 15:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

:I think that the MoS should require the UT pagination, I asked for that long ago, but there are no admins to decide. Not including pagination for UT makes no sense, as Christopher Tolkien uses it, and there are not so many editions of UT, unlike TLOTR, which does require pagination. No offense to your additions, I love you get involved, but those abstract references are not very consistent with the rest of the wiki, and I think we should avoid them. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 19:29, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

::I disagree. It is important to take into consideration that many readers nowadays only have electronic versions of the books and do not have paper versions of the books. So even with books who do not have paper versions with different page numbers, such readers can not find or verify the source if only a page number is provided in the reference. For such users abstract references that are independent of the page number makes it much quicker to find a source and to verify if that source really supports what is written on Tolkien Gateway. Consistency is not the point. The point is the utility and practicality of the references for as many readers as possible. In my opinion, abstract references that are independent of the page numbers and page numbers of the most common english paper editions of the books should be combined. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 09:33, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

:::Well, that consideration also applies to any book. Consistency is mandatory for all matters. Why only apply abstract references to UT and just in a few articles? If you want to use that system, apply it systematically to every reference in the wiki, go ahead. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 09:45, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

::::Abstract references should be applied to all books in addition to the page numbers in the most common paper editions of the books. I have used abstract references not only for UT, but also for other books in the past (e.g. for WJ). I usually look at the templates for the books and then already use the most detailed subsection, note or appendix that is available in the template and add note numbers, $ numbers, paragraph numbers and any headings / titles that are in the book, but that have not already been included in the template. In the case of The History of Middle-earth books. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 08:56, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

:::::Still you are missing the point of consistency: your are applying that system randomly. And as a system it is quite unprofessional, doesn't look good. A proper system to solve these matters is the [[Structural references|Arda structural references]], but neither this or yours are indicated in the Manual of Style. I you don't know the pages, do as the MoS says and just include the chapter, as ''The Silmarillion'' or ''The Hobbit''. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 11:55, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

::::::Neither the Manual of Style nor Help:References say that abstract references can not be used and thus do not say to just include the chapter. I am not applying that system randomly. Whether something "looks good" or not lies in the eye of the beholder and is a subjective value judgement. In my opinion, the utility of the references for readers who do not have the sources with the same page numbers and who do not have to read whole chapters to try to guess on which passage something could be based is more important. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 16:21, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

== Double Redirect ==

Thanks for fixing the double redirect of [[Evenstar]] (I missed it yesterday)! --[[User:Oromë|Oromë]] 13:39, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

:No problem. I always check the page of double redirects just in case. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 17:04, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

== Template:NM ==

Thanks for creating the citation template for NoMe! It looks to be a top-notch template, which will find much use at TG. I had the intention today to create that very template, but I saw that you had been quick :-). --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:50, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

:Thanks! I figured we'd need it asap, so I made it based on previous templates. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 09:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

== "http" vs "https" in links ==
Hi LorenzoCB! I've noticed on a couple of articles that you change web links from "https://" to "http://" ([http://www.tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Beren&diff=340356&oldid=340329 example]). Was just wondering what your reason for doing this is? (This isn't a criticism by the way! Just wondering why we should prefer http over https). Thanks! --[[User:GondolinFan|GondolinFan]] 22:58, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

:I do that just to remove the ugly padlock sign. Idk if there is a problem changing it, but I've never seen the links being actually affected. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 17:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

== Edits by the user Dour1234 ==
Have you had time to view the edits that were made by the new user Dour1234? In his first edit (on the [[Isilmo]] page), he inserted a link to a questionable website. J.R.R. Tolkien strongly disliked racism and hated the separation of races (i.e. apartheid) (see the Tolkien on Racism section on the [[Racism in Tolkien's Works]] page. He may have stumbled on this source for the theory on the origin of the Witch-king by an internet search, but his recent edits, which mostly consisted of moving pages without using the move function and changing pages to redirect to other pages, were done without him proposing to do this on the talk pages and without waiting for the approval of other, ideally more experienced users, before doing it. In addition some of the content that he copied from other pages largely duplicated already exising information. In summary, the edits did not seem to be thorough and did not seem to be of a high quality. I agree that the content on some pages could be merged with other pages and that some pages could be changed to redirect to other pages, but that should be discussed first and should be done with care. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 11:05, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

:You did a good job. Maybe some of the articles merged don't need to be discussed (because some already have been so), but in anycase merging and moving must be done properly and not just for the sake of completing some pendant to-do in the wiki. I guess I should prioritize merging those articles myself, it's not the first time this happens. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 18:38, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

== About andreth prophecy ==

Is the idea that the andreth prophecy refers to the war of wrath a view of christopher tolkien? Or did you come up with this view first in the world?

Túrin

2022-02-14T22:54:38Z

162.158.251.130: I made a very minor change to Turin's return prophecies. I did not delete any information.

{{Sources}}
{{disambig-more|Túrin|[[Túrin (disambiguation)]]}}
{{disambig-two|the tragic hero of the [[First Age]]|[[Kings of Gondor|King]] of [[Gondor]]|[[Turambar (King of Gondor)]]}}
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| image=[[Image:Elena Kukanova - The Dragon-helm of Dor-lómin.jpg|250px]]
| caption="The Dragon-helm of Dor-lómin" by [[:Category:Images by Elena Kukanova|Elena Kukanova]]
| pronun=
| othernames=Woodwose, ''Neithan'', ''Gorthol'', ''Agarwaen'', ''Mormegil'' ([[Sindarin|S]]) ([[#Other names|See below]])
| titles=Prince of [[Dor-lómin]] Lord of [[Dor-Cúarthol]] Captain of the [[Gaurwaith]]
| position=
| location=Dor-lómin, [[Doriath]], [[Talath Dirnen]], [[Brethil]]
| affiliation=[[Marchwardens]], [[Gaurwaith]]
| language=[[Sindarin]], some [[Mannish]] dialect
| birth={{FA|464}}
| birthlocation=[[Dor-lómin]], [[Hithlum]]
| rule=
| death={{FA|499}}
| deathlocation=[[Cabed-en-Aras]] (suicide)
| age=35
| notablefor=destruction of [[Nargothrond]]; slaying of [[Glaurung]]
| house=[[House of Hador]]
| parentage=[[Húrin]] & [[Morwen]]
| siblings=[[Lalaith]] & [[Nienor]]
| spouse=Nienor
| children=One, unborn at Nienor's death
| gender=Male
| height=Tall<ref name="Turin">{{S|Turin}}</ref>
| hair=Dark<ref name="Childhood">{{CH|1}}</ref>
| eyes=Grey<ref name="Turin"/> or blue<ref name="Narn">{{UT|Narn}}</ref>
| clothing=[[Dragon-helm of Dor-lómin]], elven mail, grey tunic and cloak<ref name="Outlaws">{{CH|6}}</ref> [[Dwarf-mask]]<ref name="Turin"></ref>
| weapons=[[Anglachel]]/[[Gurthang]]
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<center>{{quote|He was dark-haired as his mother, and promised to be like her in mood also; for he was not merry, and spoke little, though he learned to speak early and ever seemed older than his years. Túrin was slow to forget injustice or mockery; but the fire of his father was also in him, and he could be sudden and fierce. Yet he was quick to pity, and the hurts or sadness of living things might move him to tears.|''[[The Children of Húrin]]'', "[[The Childhood of Túrin]]"}}</center>

'''Túrin Turambar''' was a tragic hero of the [[First Age]] whose life was dominated by the curse of the [[Morgoth|Enemy]]. His deeds became the tale called ''[[Narn i Chîn Húrin (tale)|Narn i Chîn Húrin]]'' ("The Tale of the Children of Húrin").

==History==
[[Image:Alan Lee - The Childhood of Túrin.jpg|thumb|left|''The Childhood of Túrin'' by [[Alan Lee]]]]
===Dor Lómin===
Túrin was the only son of [[Húrin|Húrin Thalion]] and [[Morwen|Morwen Eledhwen]]. He had a younger sister ''Urwen'' whom everyone called [[Lalaith]], but she died in childhood of a plague, the first grievous event in Túrin's life caused by Morgoth's curse. After Húrin was captured in the [[Nirnaeth Arnoediad]] ("Battle of Unnumbered Tears"), Túrin remained with his mother Morwen, who hid him from the [[Easterlings]] that [[Morgoth]] had sent to [[Hithlum]], fearing they would kill Túrin or enslave him. Húrin's capture and failure to return home was the curse's second grief.

Túrin was friends with [[Sador]], their household servant whom he helped in his works. Sador taught him many things, and carved for him several things from wood.<ref>{{CH|1}}, p. 41</ref>

===Doriath===
When Túrin was nine years old Morwen sent him to [[Doriath]], away from his beloved mother and best friend, causing his heart to break for the third time since the curse was cast on him. She sent with him [[Gethron]] and [[Grithnir]], long time servants in Húrin's house. Shortly after their departure from Dor-Lómin, Túrin's second sister, [[Nienor]] was born. The road there was long and difficult, and the three travellers came close to dying of hunger and cold in the very outlying woods of their destination, but they were rescued by [[Beleg]]. In Doriath he was adopted by King [[Thingol]] as a son, being that his father Húrin was held in high honor in those lands. Thingol and Melian sent messengers inviting Túrin's mother to come live in Doriath, which she declined much to Túrin's grief.<ref>{{CH|4}}</ref>
[[File:Anke Eißmann - Túrin begs leave of Thingol and Melian.jpg|150px|left|thumb|''Túrin begs leave of Thingol and Melian'' by [[Anke Eißmann]]]]
In Doriath Túrin learned many things, such as hunting, woodcraft, archery, swordfighting and speaking [[Sindarin]]. As he grew older, however, he became restless. He began inquiring about the Men of the North, as Thingol and Morwen frequently exchanged news for Túrin's sake. Through these messages he learned about his sister Nienor, although he never saw her. As Morgoth's hold on the North increased and news from Hithlum grew scarce, Túrin sought to travel there to join the fight against the Dark Lord and find out about his kin. He asked the King's permission to join [[Beleg|Beleg Cúthalion]] in the northern marches of Doriath, fighting the [[Orcs]] of Morgoth. He wore the [[Dragon-helm of Dor-lómin]], which was sent by his mother and brought to him by Thingol's messengers, and the Orcs began to fear him more than any other.<ref name=Doriath>{{CH|5}}</ref>

Túrin accidentally caused the death of [[Saeros]], one of Thingol's counsellors who had provoked and attacked him. Before he could be either punished or forgiven he fled<ref name=Doriath></ref>, eventually meeting up with a band of outlaws, the [[Gaurwaith]] that dwelt south of the [[Forest of Brethil]]. There he identified himself only as '''''Neithan''''' ("The Wronged"). Túrin killed their leader [[Forweg]] and became their leader in his place. During his rule he stopped the outlaws from raiding houses of Men, and only hunted Orcs.<ref name=Outlaws>{{CH|6}}</ref>

===Dor-Cúarthol===
In the meantime Beleg Cúthalion obtained leave by Thingol to seek out his friend.<ref>{{CH|5}}, p. 96</ref> Beleg found Túrin's outlaws at their camp and when he could not persuade his friend to leave the outlaws, he left to return to Doriath.<ref name=Outlaws></ref> While they were parted, and after such a long time living in the wild, Túrin's band captured [[Mîm]] the [[Petty-dwarves|Petty-dwarf]]. Mîm was forced to share his [[House of Ransom|halls]] on [[Amon Rûdh]] with them.<ref>{{CH|7}}</ref>
[[File:Elena Kukanova - Strongbow and Dragonhelm.jpg|thumb|200px|left|''Strongbow and Dragonhelm'' by [[:Category:Images by Elena Kukanova|Elena Kukanova]]]]
At Doriath, Beleg asked to be able to join his friend. Thingol allowed this and also gave him the black sword [[Anglachel]], and [[Melian]] gave him ''[[lembas]]''. Beleg returned to Túrin that winter, healing those of the band that had become sick with cold. Beleg brought with him the Dragon-helm, and the area around Amon Rûdh became known as '''[[Dor-Cúarthol]]''', the "Land of Bow and Helm" (since Beleg was known as a mighty bowman). There Túrin took the name '''''Gorthol''''', "The Dread Helm". Many warriors joined them, and much of [[West Beleriand]] was freed from evil for a while.

Eventually Túrin was betrayed by Mîm, and he was captured and all his men slain.<ref>{{CH|8}}</ref> Beleg survived and rescued Túrin from the Orcs in [[Taur-nu-Fuin (Dorthonion)|Taur-nu-Fuin]] with the help of [[Gwindor]], an escaped slave of Morgoth, but Túrin accidentally killed Beleg with Beleg's sword Anglachel. Gwindor led Túrin, dazed, to the [[Pools of Ivrin]], where he came back to his senses.<ref>{{CH|9}}</ref>

===Nargothrond===
Gwindor then led Túrin to [[Nargothrond]], where once he had lived. In Nargothrond Túrin hid his name, calling himself '''''[[Agarwaen]], son of [[Úmarth]]''''' ("Bloodstained, son of Ill-fate"). He had Anglachel reforged and named it [[Gurthang]] ("Iron of Death"). [[Finduilas]], daughter of [[Orodreth]], fell in love with him, but he avoided her because she had previously been the beloved of his friend Gwindor. Túrin declined to tell her his name, so that she called him '''''Thurin''''' ("The Secret"). He was also called '''''Adanedhel''''' ("Man-Elf") because he was so like an Elf, though he was a [[Men|Man]].<ref>{{CH|10}}</ref>

His identity did not remain hidden for long. Gwindor revealed to [[Finduilas]] that 'Agarwaen' was in fact Túrin, and 'Úmarth' his famous father [[Húrin]]. When news of this reached Finduilas' father, King [[Orodreth]], Túrin was given great honour and standing, but the revelation of Túrin's identity would also bring home Morgoth's curse.
[[File:Donato Giancola - Sack of Nargothrond.jpeg|thumb|200px|''Sack of Nargothrond'' by [[Donato Giancola]]]]
Túrin became a chief counsellor of the weak Orodreth, and was extremely influential in Nargothrond. He encouraged the [[Elves of Nargothrond]] to abandon their practice of secrecy, and they built a great bridge before the gates. Because of his prowess with Gurthang, he himself became known as '''''Mormegil''''' ("Black Sword").
Morgoth sent the [[Dragons|Dragon]] [[Glaurung]] to Nargothrond. Túrin was caught by the powerful gaze of Glaurung, and stood by idly as Finduilas was dragged away, calling to him, a captive for Morgoth. Glaurung deceived him into believing Morwen and Nienor were suffering in Dor-lómin, and Túrin abandoned Finduilas to seek out his kin. In actuality Morwen and Nienor were safely in Doriath, as Túrin's own efforts had made the way passable.

Once in Dor-lómin, Túrin found his old home empty. He went to the halls of the Easterling lord [[Brodda]], who had taken Húrin's kinswoman [[Aerin]] as a wife and had taken Húrin's lands and possessions. From Aerin, Túrin learned that Morwen had left, and in his rage he killed Brodda, thereby also sealing Aerin's fate. As Túrin left again, Aerin burnt herself alive in her halls, and the remainder of the [[House of Hador]] now was persecuted even more cruelly.

Túrin next tried to find Finduilas, but by the time he picked up the Orc's trail he came too late: the woodsmen of [[Brethil]] informed him she had been killed as they had tried to rescue the prisoners of Nargothrond. Túrin collapsed on the mound she was buried in, and was brought to Brethil.

===Brethil===
In Brethil, Túrin again took up his life, now calling himself '''''Turambar''''' ("Master of Fate") in an act of bravado, deciding that his curse was now finally over. One day he found a naked young woman on [[Haudh-en-Elleth]], and calling her ''[[Níniel]]'' he later took her as his wife.

Túrin's happiness ended when Glaurung came near Brethil. Túrin with two others set out to kill the dragon, but he was the only one to reach the drake. With his black sword he killed Glaurung at [[Cabed-en-Aras]], but was hurt and fell in a swoon. As Níniel came to search for him, Glaurung with his last words revealed to her she was Túrin's sister. Horrified, Nienor Níniel killed herself.

[[File:John Howe - Dragon's Curse.jpg|thumb|200px|''Dragon's Curse'' by [[John Howe]]]]
When Túrin awoke he was told by [[Brandir]], lord of the [[Haladin]] of Brethil what had happened, and he killed Brandir, refusing to believe. When he learned from [[Mablung]] of Doriath who had come to seek him that Brandir had told the truth, he killed himself on [[Gurthang]], his black sword.

Túrin was buried near Finduilas' grave, and on his tombstone the Haladin wrote in the [[Angerthas Daeron|Cirth of Doriath]]:

<blockquote>TÚRIN TURAMBAR DAGNIR GLAURUNGA (''Túrin, Conqueror of Fate, Slayer of Glaurung'')</blockquote>

Beneath that they also wrote:

<blockquote>NIENOR NÍNIEL</blockquote>

though her body could not be found.

==Legacy==
Morwen and Húrin later met at this site for the last time, and Morwen was also buried there. The mound survived the [[War of Wrath]], as [[Tol Morwen]] was the westernmost isle off the coast of [[Lindon]] in the [[Second Age|Second]] and [[Third Age]]s.<ref>{{S|22}}</ref>

According to [[Dagor Dagorath|a prophecy]] attributed to the Vala [[Mandos]], it is said that at the end of time Morgoth would wage a [[Final Battle]] against the [[Valar]], and that Túrin Turambar would deliver the death blow Morgoth, exterminating evil forever.<ref>{{LR|Quenta}}, p. 333</ref> A [[Wise-woman]] among the [[Edain]] called [[Andreth]] mentions Túrin in an imprecise context, in which he will return from the Dead in [[War of Wrath]] before he left the [[Circles of the World]] for ever, challenging the Great Dragon of Morgoth, [[Ancalagon]] the Black, and he deals him the death blow.<ref>{{PM|Ros}}, p. 374, note 17</ref>

Túrin was a first cousin of [[Tuor]], father of [[Eärendil]]. There are many parallels between the circumstances of their lives (both lost their fathers in the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, were raised in part by Elves, spent time as outlaws and as prisoners, and were war-leaders in the greatest [[Noldor|Noldorin]] fortresses), but the outcome of Tuor's life was quite different. (Even Túrin's coloring was dark, enhancing his resemblance to the Noldorin Elves but further setting him apart from his fair-haired cousin.) The two never actually met, but Tuor did once see his cousin in passing (not an everyday occurrence in the wilds of [[Beleriand]]).

Whether the tragedies in Túrin's life were the result of Morgoth's curse or of his own arrogance, or some combination of the two, is a subject of some debate among scholars. Túrin is one of the few heroes of the [[Elder Days]] to have committed suicide and several of the others (such as [[Aerin]], Húrin and Nienor) are connected with his story.

==Etymology==
:''See: [[Túrin (disambiguation)]] and [[Turambar (disambiguation)]]''

It's possible that during Túrin's lifetime ([[First Age]]), the name was pronounced as ''Túrind'' before simplified in the following centuries. The [[Quenya]] form of his name is ''Turindo''.<ref>{{LR|P3}}, entry "[[TUR]]"</ref>

==Other names==
Túrin took and was given many names through his life, listed here in chronological order:

* '''Woodwose''' or '''Wildman of the Woods''', first given by Saeros as an insult, Túrin used it when questioned about his identity by the woodsmen he had rescued.<ref>{{CH|13}}, p. 194</ref>
* '''''[[Neithan]]''''', ([[S.]] "The Wronged"), taken by Túrin when he joined the outlaws.<ref>{{CH|6}}, p. 101</ref>
* '''''Gorthol''''', ([[S.]] "The Dread Helm"), taken by Túrin when he claimed lordship of Dor-Cúarthol in reference to the Dragon-helm of Dor-lómin.<ref>{{CH|8}}, p. 146</ref>
* '''''Agarwaen''''', ''son of [[Úmarth]]'', ([[S.]] "Bloodstained, son of Ill-fate"), the names Túrin gave himself and his father while in Nargothrond in an attempt to hide his identity as a child of Húrin.<ref>{{CH|10}}, p. 159</ref>
* '''''Adanedhel''''', ([[S.]] "Elf-Man"), given to him by the Elves of Nargothrond, who recognized the nobility he had acquired while in Doriath.<ref>{{CH|10}}, pp. 163-164</ref>
* '''''[[Thurin]]''''', ([[S.]] "The Secret"), given to him by Finduilas, who doubted that his true name was ''Agarwaen''.<ref>{{CH|10}}, p. 165</ref>
* '''''Mormegil''''', ([[S.]] "Black Sword"), acquired by Túrin while he dwelt in Nargothrond, in reference to his black sword, [[Gurthang]].<ref>{{CH|10}}, p. 160</ref>
* '''''Turambar''''', ([[Q.]] "Master of Doom"), taken by Túrin when he lived among the Men of Brethil, signifying his perceived freedom from the curse of Morgoth.<ref>{{CH|13}}, p. 196</ref>
* '''''Dagnir Glaurunga''''', ([[S.]] "Glaurung's Bane"), given after he killed Glaurung and carved with [[Angerthas Daeron|Runes of Doriath]] on the [[Stone of the Hapless]].<ref>{{CH|18}}, p. 257</ref>

==Genealogy==
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==Inspiration==
Unpublished drafts of the story, later edited by [[Christopher Tolkien]] and published in ''[[Unfinished Tales]]'' and ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'' series, tell the story in greater detail. These have been carefully edited together with other drafts to form ''[[The Children of Húrin]]'', released in 2007.

The supposed resemblance of Túrin to figures from medieval tales can be confirmed by part of a letter Tolkien wrote to [[Milton Waldman]] concerning the publication of his works:

{{blockquote|There is the ''Children of Húrin'', the tragic tale of Túrin Turambar and his sister Níniel — of which Túrin is the hero: a figure that might be said (by people who like that sort of thing, though it is not very useful) to be '''derived from elements in Sigurd the Volsung, Oedipus, and the Finnish Kullervo'''.|[[Letter 131]]}}

{{blockquote|Again one may detect certain literary influences: the hero's [Túrin's] fight with a great dragon [Glaurung] inevitably suggests comparison with the deeds of '''Sigurd''' and '''Beowulf''', while his unknowing incest with his sister and his subsequent suicide were derived quite consciously from the story of '''Kullervo in the Kalevala'''.|''[[J.R.R. Tolkien: A Biography]]'', Part III, Chapter 1: "Lost Tales"}}

Túrin shares several common traits with all of the characters below, like coming closer to their fate when attempting to evade it. Another significant trait is their gifted but hot tempered nature and strong will paired with their reluctance to heed wise counsels that would save them from their fate.

===Oedipus===
'''[[Wikipedia:Oedipus|Oedipus]]''' was a prince of Thebes, but his parents heard a prophecy that he would cause their demise. To evade it, they order a shepherd to kill him. However the shepherd spares the baby and gives him to a childless family. Oedipus grew ignorant of his heritage; he then heard a prophecy according to which he will kill his father and marry his mother. He left in self-exile to take himself away from his (foster) parents.

However this brought himself closer to Thebes and his actual parents. On his way, he kills a man who unknown to him, is his actual father, the King of Thebes, fulfilling therefore part of the prophecy. Then he enters the city and after defeating the Sphinx, the people name him to replace the lost King of Thebes; furthermore, Oedipus marries the King's widow, who is in fact his mother.

Years later, while investigating the death of the former King, he realizes all the truths in his life: the King was the very man he had killed, and furthermore, he and his Queen were his parents. Oedipus blinds himself and leaves in self-exile with his two daughters/half-sisters while his mother/wife strangles herself.

===Kullervo===
:''See also: [[Kalevala#Túrin Turambar and Kullervo|Túrin Turambar and Kullervo]]''
In the [[Kalevala]], '''[[Wikipedia:Kullervo|Kullervo]]''''s tribe is killed by his uncle, and himself is separated by his family, something that fills him with hate and desire for revenge. As a slave, he uses magic to kill his masters and returns to his tribe; afterwards he seduces a girl, who commits suicide after discovering she is his lost sister.

Then he repeats his vows: he refuses to hear any words of reconsideration and gets a broadsword which he uses to slay the enemy tribe. On his return, he sees all his family dead. He asks the magic sword to slay him, which replies, and then he falls on it.

===Sigurd===
'''[[Wikipedia:Sigurd|Sigurd]]''''s mother marries a King and Sigurd himself is fostered by a Dwarf. The Dwarf tells him about the hoard of the dragon Fafnir (who is his brother) and remakes a broken heirloom sword for him. Sigurd slays Fafnir by waiting for him in a pit, stabbing him with the sword as he passes over it. The gold he wins, however, is cursed.

===Balin===
'''[[Wikipedia:Sir Balin|Sir Balin]]''' was a knight of the King Arthur's court in ''Le Morte d'Arthur'' who possessed a magic sword. By this he was unknowingly cursed to slay his own brother. Through a well-meaning act of his, he is further cursed to make the most dolorous strike ever made by man, save only the piercing of Christ's side. Later, while in King Pellam's castle, he kills Pellam's brother and maims Pellam, ruining the castle and making all the surrounding lands into a wasteland, much as Túrin slayed Brodda in his own house and how his pride brought about the destruction of Nargothrond. Eventually, he kills his brother Balan, but is mortally wounded in doing so, and outlives him by only a few hours. They were then both laid in one grave.

==See also==
*''[[The Children of Húrin]]''
*''[[The Story of Kullervo]]''
*''[[The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrun]]''

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War of Wrath

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| name=War of Wrath
| image=[[File:Per Sjögren - War of Wrath.jpg|300px]]
| conflict=[[Wars of Beleriand]]
| date={{FA|545}} - {{FA|587|n}}
| place=The lands around [[Angband]]
| result=Decisive victory for the [[Host of the Valar|Host of the West]]
*Drowning of [[Beleriand]]
*Expulsion of [[Morgoth]] from [[Arda]]
| side1=Forces of [[Morgoth]]
| side2=[[Host of the Valar|Host of the West]] 
[[Edain]] 
[[Great Eagles]]
| commanders1=[[Morgoth]] 
[[Ancalagon]] † 
| commanders2=[[Eönwë]] 
[[Finarfin]] 
[[Ingwion]]<ref group="note">In the published ''[[Silmarillion]]'', Ingwion has disappeared, and only [[Finarfin]] is named as a leader of the armies of the [[Elves]]. In ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[Christopher Tolkien]] suggests that this omission may have been an error, and Ingwiel should have remained in the text as joint commander of the [[Elves of Valinor]].</ref><ref>{{LR|P2VI}}</ref> 
[[Eärendil]] 
[[Turin]](according to andreth prophecy) 
[[Thorondor]] 
| forces1=Unknown, "whole power of the Throne of Morgoth"<ref name="WW">{{S|24}}</ref>
| forces2=Unknown
| casual1=Near utter annihilation
| casual2=Unknown, presumably substantial
|}}
{{quote|I remember well the splendour of their banners," he said. "It recalled to me the glory of the [[Elder Days]] and the hosts of [[Beleriand]], so many great princes and captains were assembled. And yet not so many, nor so fair, as when [[Thangorodrim]] was broken, and the [[Elves]] deemed that evil was ended for ever, and it was not so.|[[Elrond]] in ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'', [[The Council of Elrond]]}}

The '''War of Wrath''', or the '''Great Battle''', was the final conflict in the [[Wars of Beleriand]] fought between the [[Host of the Valar|Host of the West]] and the forces of [[Morgoth]]. The devastation caused by the two sides clashing left [[Beleriand]] mostly destroyed and at the end most of the land sank beneath the waves. According to ''[[The Tale of Years (The War of the Jewels)|The Tale of Years]]'' it lasted for more than four decades ({{FA|545}} - {{FA|587|n}}).<ref>{{WJ|Years}}</ref>

==Background==
After more than five centuries since the [[Return of the Noldor|rising of the sun]], [[Morgoth]] had become mighty in [[Middle-earth]]. He had defeated his enemies in the [[Wars of Beleriand|war]] and the majority of the [[Elves]] and [[Men]] of [[Beleriand]] were captured in droves and enslaved in the pits of [[Angband]]. The few that remained outside his grasp lived around the [[Mouths of Sirion]] or elsewhere in the woods and mountains.

Following the [[Fall of Gondolin]], the few [[Exiles of Gondolin|survivors]] protected by [[Ulmo]] had escaped the city, among them was [[Eärendil]] son of [[Tuor]] and [[Idril]]. He later married [[Elwing]], the daughter of [[Dior]] and [[Nimloth of Doriath|Nimloth]], and became the lord of the people living in the mouths of Sirion. With the aid of [[Círdan]] the shipwright they built the vessel [[Vingilótë]] and Eärendil sailed the sea hoping to find the [[Last Shore|last shore]] and beseech for aid.<ref name="WW"/>

==History==
===Prelude===
[[File:Jenny Dolfen - The Vanyar Leave for War.jpg|200px|thumb|right|''The Vanyar Leave for War'' by [[Jenny Dolfen]]]]
While Eärendil was returning from his voyages the [[sons of Fëanor]] [[Third Kinslaying|attacked the havens]] when Elwing refused to yield the [[Silmaril]] to them and she cast herself to the ocean with the jewel. The Silmaril was not lost as Ulmo bore her up from the sea and she took the form of a great white bird and reunited with Eärendil. Eärendil then sought to look for Valinor once more and, wearing the [[Silmaril]] on his brow, he traversed past the enchantments of the sea and he came to [[Valinor]], the first with even a drop of mortal blood to set foot there. He was brought before the [[Powers of Arda]] and he delivered the "errand of the [[Two Kindreds]]", begging the [[Valar]] for pardon for the [[Noldor]] and to deliver them from Morgoth.<ref name="WW"/>

The [[Valar]] were moved by [[Eärendil]]'s plea and his prayer was granted. So, the host of the Valar prepared for battle joined by many [[Maiar]], along with the [[Vanyar]] and [[Noldor]] that were in [[Valinor]], riding in the ships of the [[Falmari]]. Still bitter about the [[First Kinslaying]], the [[Teleri]] did not participate in the war.<ref name="WW"/>

Meanwhile Eärendil and Elwing were given their judgement, as it was decreed by [[Mandos]] that no mortal should set foot in Aman and live. But Eärendil was also of Elf lineage, so [[Manwë]] forbade punishment for the two as Eärendil came out of love of the Two Kindreds while Elwing came out of love for him. However they would never return to Middle-earth again and would be given a choice of which kindred their fate shall be judged together. Elwing chose to be counted among the [[Eldar]] and Eärendil chose alike. Then the Valar took Vingilótë, hallowed it, and bore it away to the edge of the world through the [[Door of Night]] with Eärendil at the helm and the Silmaril bound upon his brow.<ref name="WW"/>

===Battle===
The Host of Valinor landed in Beleriand in {{FA|545}} and the "whole power of the Throne of Morgoth" was gathered, the arrayed armies of Morgoth were uncountable, and the mountains rang underneath the boots of the Valar; the entire North was aflame with war, which subsequently caused heavy damage to the land by the colossal exchanges of power from the combatants.<ref name="WW"/>

Eventually the forces of Morgoth were defeated in the field, the [[Balrogs]] were destroyed (save a few who fled and hid themselves in the depths of the earth) and the armies of the [[Orcs]] perished like straw in a great fire or leaves before a hot wind. While the [[Edain#The Three Houses|Three Houses of the Edain]] fought with the forces of Valinor, many other Men fought and died alongside Morgoth, which led to their scorn by the Elves. As the War carried into its final years Morgoth faced defeat, and so unleashed his last desperate assault, the winged [[Dragons]], which had never been seen in Middle-earth before. The Host of Valinor was taken by surprise and overcome by the devastation the dragons brought, and were driven back across the region. The greatest of these dragons was [[Ancalagon|Ancalagon the Black]], the largest and most powerful dragon in the history of Arda, and the damage his dragon horde inflicted on the Valar was grievous. The skies erupted with lightning and flame at the dragons' arrival, and Morgoth's hosts repulsed the host of the Valar, pushing them away from Angband.<ref name="WW"/>

As the situation grew dire for the Valar, [[Eärendil]] came with his sky-ship [[Vingilótë]], along with [[Thorondor]] and a great flocks of birds and the [[Eagles]], and they fought the dragons. After a fight lasting a full day, Eärendil slew Ancalagon, and in his fall Ancalagon broke the towers of [[Thangorodrim]]. With Ancalagon slain, morale was renewed, and the host of the Valar retook the ground that had been lost. The majority of Morgoth's other forces were soon defeated, survivors driven to the depths of the world and to places far underground. Soon Morgoth's power was dispersed entirely, and Angband alone remained his only possession.<ref name="WW"/>

Morgoth fled to the deepest dungeons of Angband, where he was caught. By this point, Morgoth's power had weakened considerably, and rather than challenge his foes, he demanded peace and parley, but his feet were hewn from under him and Morgoth fell upon the floor. He was bound with his old chain Angainor; the two Silmarils still in his possession were taken by the Maia [[Eönwë]] and guarded. In the end the Valar thrust him "through the [[Door of Night]], beyond the [[Walls of the World]], into the [[The Void|Timeless Void]]".<ref name="WW"/>

===Aftermath===
Countless slaves were freed from Angband after his defeat and they looked upon a world that had changed greatly, for the fury of both sides in the war had wreaked havoc on much of the land. The northern areas were torn asunder, rivers formed or destroyed, mountains and hills changed. The wreckage of the war was immense indeed; most of the land west of the [[Ered Luin]], as well as a large part of the central part of the mountains, was laid waste and soon after sank beneath the waves.<ref name="WW"/>
[[File:John Howe - The Door of Night.jpg|left|200px|thumb|left|''The Doors of Night'' by [[John Howe]]]]
[[Eönwë]], the herald of [[Manwë]], summoned all the Elves of Beleriand to depart [[Middle-earth]] and go to Valinor. Most of the Noldor and Sindar did so, but a number of them did not and instead went east, such as [[Galadriel]] and [[Gil-galad]]. Maedhros and Maglor sent word to Eönwë to yield the Silmarils to them but they received the reply that they no longer have any right to the Silmarils due to the deeds wrought pursuing the [[Oath of Fëanor|oath]]. Despite this, the two sons of Fëanor stole the jewels from Eönwë's camp. But as they held the jewel it burnt their hands. So great was the pain that Maedhros cast himself and the Silmaril into a chasm of fire and Maglor cast his jewel into the sea; the Silmarils found their homes in the high heavens, earth, and deep waters.<ref name="WW"/>

The [[Edain]] were rewarded for fighting with the Valar in the war and were given a new land to dwell in that was neither part of Middle-earth nor of Valinor: the land was called [[Andor]], the Land of Gift, but the Edain named it [[Elenna]] and later [[Númenórë]].<ref>{{S|IV}}</ref> The Men that fought with Morgoth fled east.<ref name="RP">{{S|V}}</ref>
[[File:Šárka Škorpíková - I hate him.jpg|thumb|''I hate him'' by [[:Category:Images by Šárka Škorpíková|Šárka Škorpíková]]]]
The Dwarven cities [[Nogrod]] and [[Belegost]] were ruined when Ered Luin was broken forcing their populaces to flee.<ref>{{App|A3}}</ref>

The surviving servants of Morgoth fled east. [[Sauron]], the former chief lieutenant of Morgoth, came out to sue for Eönwë's pardon. He was ordered to return to [[Valinor]] to receive judgement; instead he fled and hid back in [[Middle-earth]].<ref name="WW"/><ref name="RP"/>

==Other versions of the legendarium==
The first fragments of what would be the War of Wrath appear in notes and outlines related to ''[[The Tale of Eärendel]]'', a story that was never written by Tolkien. In the ''[[Lost Tales]]'' version there is no mention of Eärendel's plea to the Valar on behalf of the [[Two Kindreds]], and the notes suggest that his voyage to [[Valinor]] was in vain. Instead, the Elves of Valinor receive tidings from the birds of Gondolin about its [[Fall of Gondolin|fall]]. The news angers the Elves and they march to the [[Great Lands]] against the will of the Valar who are opposed to the Elves intervening.<ref>{{LT2|V}}</ref>

According to [[The Peoples of Middle-earth]] and [[Morgoth's Ring]] books It is turin instead of earendil that kills the ancalagon. Especially in the text of Problem of Ros in the book The Peoples of Middle Earth, Andreth says that before Turin leaves the circles of the world, he will return to earth in the war of wrath and will strike death Morgoth's greatest dragon, Ancalagon. Andreth also says in this prophecy that unless Turin kills the Ancalagon, the languages of the people of Haleth will not be spoken again. Moreover, it is not stated in the Silmarillion how Earendil killed the Ancalagon. It is written that earendil dropped the ancalagon from the sky. Ancalagon may have been killed in this way by Turin after it fell. Or Turin and Earendil may have killed the ancalagon together on the flying ship.Tolkien never detailed the dead of Ancalagon. But the problem of ros text and andreth prophecy is one of the last texts written by Tolkien. And he died months later before he could transfer this text to the canon story.

''[[The Silmarillion]]'' and its early drafts cover the War of Wrath.<ref>{{SM|Q17II}}</ref> As Tolkien was developing the story he also produced another set of texts – the ''Annals'' – which at first were used as a supportive document to help put a chronological structure to the story, but later grew in detail such that it became another "proper" account of the Silmarillion akin to the [[quenta]]s. The ''[[Annals of Beleriand]]'' cover the history of the Elves in Beleriand and introduce new elements to the battle that are absent in the other texts.

The [[Battle of Eglarest|Battle of Eldorest]] was the opening battle of the conflict.<ref name="AB1">{{SM|7I}}</ref> Eldorest (known as [[Eglarest]] in ''The Silmarillion'') was the haven city of [[Círdan]] which was laid to ruin by Morgoth's armies after the [[Nirnaeth Arnoediad]].<ref>{{S|20}}</ref> In the battle [[Ingwion|Ingwiel]] (or Ingwil) – leader of the Light-elves, later [[Vanyar]] – makes landing with his Elves and defeats the Orcs on the shore.<ref name="AB2">{{LR|AB}}</ref>

In the later ''[[The Later Annals of Beleriand|Annals of Beleriand]]'' there is a new element where the host of Fiönwë and Morgoth contest the river [[Sirion]]. Both hosts encamp on either side of the river<ref name="AB1"/> and fight bitterly for control of the [[Pass of Sirion|passage]]. This may explain why the conflict was prolonged as it also states that the war lasted "fifty years from the landing of Fiönwë".<ref name="AB2"/> Sirion was a mighty river that ran through Beleriand and was wide and swift with few crossings. The most direct route for the host of Valinor to take to Angband would be through the [[Pass of Sirion]], as it was accessible enough for large armies to pass, hence why it was a strategic location to control. The camp of Fiönwë is likely a reintroduced element from the ''Lost Tales'', where the Elves of [[Kôr]] encamp in the Land of Willows or [[Tasarinan]] which is [[Nan-tathren]] in ''The Silmarillion''.<ref name="LTEA">{{LT2|VI}}</ref>

In ''The Silmarillion'', Morgoth did not personally involve himself in the conflict and never left Angband but in the ''Annals of Beleriand'' he indeed came forth from Angband,<ref name="AB2"/> although it is unclear if Morgoth fought or just commanded his armies from afar. The only other mentioned Vala to have taken part in the conflict was [[Tulkas]] in the ''Lost Tales'' where he defeated Melko in the [[Pools of Twilight]] in what is known as the battle of the Silent Pools.<ref name="LTEA"/>

The conflict had a number of different names in the drafts. It was known as the '''Terrible Battle''' or '''Last Battle''',<ref>{{SM|2}}</ref> the '''Battle Terrible''', or '''Battle of Wrath and Thunder'''.<ref>{{SM|Q18}}</ref><ref>{{SM|Q18II}}</ref>

==Portrayal in adaptations==
The album ''[[Nightfall in Middle-Earth]]'' by [[Blind Guardian]] opens with a [[War of Wrath (song)|track]] with a conversation between [[Sauron]] and [[Morgoth]] during the War of Wrath.

==External links==
*[http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/10/10/how-was-beleriand-destroyed-in-the-war-of-wrath/ How was Beleriand destroyed in the War of Wrath?] by [[Michael Martinez]] - A speculation on how the War destroyed the western lands
{{references|n}}
{{warsofbeleriand}}
[[Category:Conflicts of the First Age]]
[[de:Krieg des Zorns]]
[[fi:Vihan Sota]]
[[fr:encyclo/evenements/1a/guerres/guerre_de_la_grande_colere]]

War of Wrath

2022-02-11T19:18:08Z

{{footnotes}}{{battle
| name=War of Wrath
| image=[[File:Per Sjögren - War of Wrath.jpg|300px]]
| conflict=[[Wars of Beleriand]]
| date={{FA|545}} - {{FA|587|n}}
| place=The lands around [[Angband]]
| result=Decisive victory for the [[Host of the Valar|Host of the West]]
*Drowning of [[Beleriand]]
*Expulsion of [[Morgoth]] from [[Arda]]
| side1=Forces of [[Morgoth]]
| side2=[[Host of the Valar|Host of the West]] 
[[Edain]] 
[[Great Eagles]]
| commanders1=[[Morgoth]] 
[[Ancalagon]] † 
| commanders2=[[Eönwë]] 
[[Finarfin]] 
[[Ingwion]]<ref group="note">In the published ''[[Silmarillion]]'', Ingwion has disappeared, and only [[Finarfin]] is named as a leader of the armies of the [[Elves]]. In ''[[The Shaping of Middle-earth]]'', [[Christopher Tolkien]] suggests that this omission may have been an error, and Ingwiel should have remained in the text as joint commander of the [[Elves of Valinor]].</ref><ref>{{LR|P2VI}}</ref> 
[[Eärendil]] 
[[Turin]](according to andreth prophecy) 
[[Thorondor]] 
| forces1=Unknown, "whole power of the Throne of Morgoth"<ref name="WW">{{S|24}}</ref>
| forces2=Unknown
| casual1=Near utter annihilation
| casual2=Unknown, presumably substantial
|}}
{{quote|I remember well the splendour of their banners," he said. "It recalled to me the glory of the [[Elder Days]] and the hosts of [[Beleriand]], so many great princes and captains were assembled. And yet not so many, nor so fair, as when [[Thangorodrim]] was broken, and the [[Elves]] deemed that evil was ended for ever, and it was not so.|[[Elrond]] in ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'', [[The Council of Elrond]]}}

The '''War of Wrath''', or the '''Great Battle''', was the final conflict in the [[Wars of Beleriand]] fought between the [[Host of the Valar|Host of the West]] and the forces of [[Morgoth]]. The devastation caused by the two sides clashing left [[Beleriand]] mostly destroyed and at the end most of the land sank beneath the waves. According to ''[[The Tale of Years (The War of the Jewels)|The Tale of Years]]'' it lasted for more than four decades ({{FA|545}} - {{FA|587|n}}).<ref>{{WJ|Years}}</ref>

==Background==
After more than five centuries since the [[Return of the Noldor|rising of the sun]], [[Morgoth]] had become mighty in [[Middle-earth]]. He had defeated his enemies in the [[Wars of Beleriand|war]] and the majority of the [[Elves]] and [[Men]] of [[Beleriand]] were captured in droves and enslaved in the pits of [[Angband]]. The few that remained outside his grasp lived around the [[Mouths of Sirion]] or elsewhere in the woods and mountains.

Following the [[Fall of Gondolin]], the few [[Exiles of Gondolin|survivors]] protected by [[Ulmo]] had escaped the city, among them was [[Eärendil]] son of [[Tuor]] and [[Idril]]. He later married [[Elwing]], the daughter of [[Dior]] and [[Nimloth of Doriath|Nimloth]], and became the lord of the people living in the mouths of Sirion. With the aid of [[Círdan]] the shipwright they built the vessel [[Vingilótë]] and Eärendil sailed the sea hoping to find the [[Last Shore|last shore]] and beseech for aid.<ref name="WW"/>

==History==
===Prelude===
[[File:Jenny Dolfen - The Vanyar Leave for War.jpg|200px|thumb|right|''The Vanyar Leave for War'' by [[Jenny Dolfen]]]]
While Eärendil was returning from his voyages the [[sons of Fëanor]] [[Third Kinslaying|attacked the havens]] when Elwing refused to yield the [[Silmaril]] to them and she cast herself to the ocean with the jewel. The Silmaril was not lost as Ulmo bore her up from the sea and she took the form of a great white bird and reunited with Eärendil. Eärendil then sought to look for Valinor once more and, wearing the [[Silmaril]] on his brow, he traversed past the enchantments of the sea and he came to [[Valinor]], the first with even a drop of mortal blood to set foot there. He was brought before the [[Powers of Arda]] and he delivered the "errand of the [[Two Kindreds]]", begging the [[Valar]] for pardon for the [[Noldor]] and to deliver them from Morgoth.<ref name="WW"/>

The [[Valar]] were moved by [[Eärendil]]'s plea and his prayer was granted. So, the host of the Valar prepared for battle joined by many [[Maiar]], along with the [[Vanyar]] and [[Noldor]] that were in [[Valinor]], riding in the ships of the [[Falmari]]. Still bitter about the [[First Kinslaying]], the [[Teleri]] did not participate in the war.<ref name="WW"/>

Meanwhile Eärendil and Elwing were given their judgement, as it was decreed by [[Mandos]] that no mortal should set foot in Aman and live. But Eärendil was also of Elf lineage, so [[Manwë]] forbade punishment for the two as Eärendil came out of love of the Two Kindreds while Elwing came out of love for him. However they would never return to Middle-earth again and would be given a choice of which kindred their fate shall be judged together. Elwing chose to be counted among the [[Eldar]] and Eärendil chose alike. Then the Valar took Vingilótë, hallowed it, and bore it away to the edge of the world through the [[Door of Night]] with Eärendil at the helm and the Silmaril bound upon his brow.<ref name="WW"/>

===Battle===
The Host of Valinor landed in Beleriand in {{FA|545}} and the "whole power of the Throne of Morgoth" was gathered, the arrayed armies of Morgoth were uncountable, and the mountains rang underneath the boots of the Valar; the entire North was aflame with war, which subsequently caused heavy damage to the land by the colossal exchanges of power from the combatants.<ref name="WW"/>

Eventually the forces of Morgoth were defeated in the field, the [[Balrogs]] were destroyed (save a few who fled and hid themselves in the depths of the earth) and the armies of the [[Orcs]] perished like straw in a great fire or leaves before a hot wind. While the [[Edain#The Three Houses|Three Houses of the Edain]] fought with the forces of Valinor, many other Men fought and died alongside Morgoth, which led to their scorn by the Elves. As the War carried into its final years Morgoth faced defeat, and so unleashed his last desperate assault, the winged [[Dragons]], which had never been seen in Middle-earth before. The Host of Valinor was taken by surprise and overcome by the devastation the dragons brought, and were driven back across the region. The greatest of these dragons was [[Ancalagon|Ancalagon the Black]], the largest and most powerful dragon in the history of Arda, and the damage his dragon horde inflicted on the Valar was grievous. The skies erupted with lightning and flame at the dragons' arrival, and Morgoth's hosts repulsed the host of the Valar, pushing them away from Angband.<ref name="WW"/>

As the situation grew dire for the Valar, [[Eärendil]] came with his sky-ship [[Vingilótë]], along with [[Thorondor]] and a great flocks of birds and the [[Eagles]], and they fought the dragons. After a fight lasting a full day, Eärendil slew Ancalagon, and in his fall Ancalagon broke the towers of [[Thangorodrim]]. With Ancalagon slain, morale was renewed, and the host of the Valar retook the ground that had been lost. The majority of Morgoth's other forces were soon defeated, survivors driven to the depths of the world and to places far underground. Soon Morgoth's power was dispersed entirely, and Angband alone remained his only possession.<ref name="WW"/>

Morgoth fled to the deepest dungeons of Angband, where he was caught. By this point, Morgoth's power had weakened considerably, and rather than challenge his foes, he demanded peace and parley, but his feet were hewn from under him and Morgoth fell upon the floor. He was bound with his old chain Angainor; the two Silmarils still in his possession were taken by the Maia [[Eönwë]] and guarded. In the end the Valar thrust him "through the [[Door of Night]], beyond the [[Walls of the World]], into the [[The Void|Timeless Void]]".<ref name="WW"/>

===Aftermath===
Countless slaves were freed from Angband after his defeat and they looked upon a world that had changed greatly, for the fury of both sides in the war had wreaked havoc on much of the land. The northern areas were torn asunder, rivers formed or destroyed, mountains and hills changed. The wreckage of the war was immense indeed; most of the land west of the [[Ered Luin]], as well as a large part of the central part of the mountains, was laid waste and soon after sank beneath the waves.<ref name="WW"/>
[[File:John Howe - The Door of Night.jpg|left|200px|thumb|left|''The Doors of Night'' by [[John Howe]]]]
[[Eönwë]], the herald of [[Manwë]], summoned all the Elves of Beleriand to depart [[Middle-earth]] and go to Valinor. Most of the Noldor and Sindar did so, but a number of them did not and instead went east, such as [[Galadriel]] and [[Gil-galad]]. Maedhros and Maglor sent word to Eönwë to yield the Silmarils to them but they received the reply that they no longer have any right to the Silmarils due to the deeds wrought pursuing the [[Oath of Fëanor|oath]]. Despite this, the two sons of Fëanor stole the jewels from Eönwë's camp. But as they held the jewel it burnt their hands. So great was the pain that Maedhros cast himself and the Silmaril into a chasm of fire and Maglor cast his jewel into the sea; the Silmarils found their homes in the high heavens, earth, and deep waters.<ref name="WW"/>

The [[Edain]] were rewarded for fighting with the Valar in the war and were given a new land to dwell in that was neither part of Middle-earth nor of Valinor: the land was called [[Andor]], the Land of Gift, but the Edain named it [[Elenna]] and later [[Númenórë]].<ref>{{S|IV}}</ref> The Men that fought with Morgoth fled east.<ref name="RP">{{S|V}}</ref>
[[File:Šárka Škorpíková - I hate him.jpg|thumb|''I hate him'' by [[:Category:Images by Šárka Škorpíková|Šárka Škorpíková]]]]
The Dwarven cities [[Nogrod]] and [[Belegost]] were ruined when Ered Luin was broken forcing their populaces to flee.<ref>{{App|A3}}</ref>

The surviving servants of Morgoth fled east. [[Sauron]], the former chief lieutenant of Morgoth, came out to sue for Eönwë's pardon. He was ordered to return to [[Valinor]] to receive judgement; instead he fled and hid back in [[Middle-earth]].<ref name="WW"/><ref name="RP"/>

==Other versions of the legendarium==
The first fragments of what would be the War of Wrath appear in notes and outlines related to ''[[The Tale of Eärendel]]'', a story that was never written by Tolkien. In the ''[[Lost Tales]]'' version there is no mention of Eärendel's plea to the Valar on behalf of the [[Two Kindreds]], and the notes suggest that his voyage to [[Valinor]] was in vain. Instead, the Elves of Valinor receive tidings from the birds of Gondolin about its [[Fall of Gondolin|fall]]. The news angers the Elves and they march to the [[Great Lands]] against the will of the Valar who are opposed to the Elves intervening.<ref>{{LT2|V}}</ref>

According to [[The Peoples of Middle-earth]] and [[Morgoth's Ring]] books It is turin instead of earendil that kills the ancalagon.Especially in the text of Problem of Ros in the book The Peoples of Middle Earth, Andreth says that before Turin leaves the circles of the world, he will return to earth in the war of wrath and will strike death Morgoth's greatest dragon, Ancalagon.Andreth also says in this prophecy that unless Turin kills the Ancalagon, the languages of the people of Haleth will not be spoken again. Moreover, it is not stated in the Silmarillion how Earendil killed the Ancalagon.It is written that earendil dropped the ancalagon from the sky. Ancalagon may have been killed in this way by Turin after it fell. Or Turin and Earendil may have killed the ancalagon together on the flying ship.Tolkien never detailed the dead of Ancalagon. But the problem of ros text and andreth prophecy is one of the last texts written by Tolkien. And he died months later before he could transfer this text to the canon story.

''[[The Silmarillion]]'' and its early drafts cover the War of Wrath.<ref>{{SM|Q17II}}</ref> As Tolkien was developing the story he also produced another set of texts – the ''Annals'' – which at first were used as a supportive document to help put a chronological structure to the story, but later grew in detail such that it became another "proper" account of the Silmarillion akin to the [[quenta]]s. The ''[[Annals of Beleriand]]'' cover the history of the Elves in Beleriand and introduce new elements to the battle that are absent in the other texts.

The [[Battle of Eglarest|Battle of Eldorest]] was the opening battle of the conflict.<ref name="AB1">{{SM|7I}}</ref> Eldorest (known as [[Eglarest]] in ''The Silmarillion'') was the haven city of [[Círdan]] which was laid to ruin by Morgoth's armies after the [[Nirnaeth Arnoediad]].<ref>{{S|20}}</ref> In the battle [[Ingwion|Ingwiel]] (or Ingwil) – leader of the Light-elves, later [[Vanyar]] – makes landing with his Elves and defeats the Orcs on the shore.<ref name="AB2">{{LR|AB}}</ref>

In the later ''[[The Later Annals of Beleriand|Annals of Beleriand]]'' there is a new element where the host of Fiönwë and Morgoth contest the river [[Sirion]]. Both hosts encamp on either side of the river<ref name="AB1"/> and fight bitterly for control of the [[Pass of Sirion|passage]]. This may explain why the conflict was prolonged as it also states that the war lasted "fifty years from the landing of Fiönwë".<ref name="AB2"/> Sirion was a mighty river that ran through Beleriand and was wide and swift with few crossings. The most direct route for the host of Valinor to take to Angband would be through the [[Pass of Sirion]], as it was accessible enough for large armies to pass, hence why it was a strategic location to control. The camp of Fiönwë is likely a reintroduced element from the ''Lost Tales'', where the Elves of [[Kôr]] encamp in the Land of Willows or [[Tasarinan]] which is [[Nan-tathren]] in ''The Silmarillion''.<ref name="LTEA">{{LT2|VI}}</ref>

In ''The Silmarillion'', Morgoth did not personally involve himself in the conflict and never left Angband but in the ''Annals of Beleriand'' he indeed came forth from Angband,<ref name="AB2"/> although it is unclear if Morgoth fought or just commanded his armies from afar. The only other mentioned Vala to have taken part in the conflict was [[Tulkas]] in the ''Lost Tales'' where he defeated Melko in the [[Pools of Twilight]] in what is known as the battle of the Silent Pools.<ref name="LTEA"/>

The conflict had a number of different names in the drafts. It was known as the '''Terrible Battle''' or '''Last Battle''',<ref>{{SM|2}}</ref> the '''Battle Terrible''', or '''Battle of Wrath and Thunder'''.<ref>{{SM|Q18}}</ref><ref>{{SM|Q18II}}</ref>

==Portrayal in adaptations==
The album ''[[Nightfall in Middle-Earth]]'' by [[Blind Guardian]] opens with a [[War of Wrath (song)|track]] with a conversation between [[Sauron]] and [[Morgoth]] during the War of Wrath.

==External links==
*[http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/10/10/how-was-beleriand-destroyed-in-the-war-of-wrath/ How was Beleriand destroyed in the War of Wrath?] by [[Michael Martinez]] - A speculation on how the War destroyed the western lands
{{references|n}}
{{warsofbeleriand}}
[[Category:Conflicts of the First Age]]
[[de:Krieg des Zorns]]
[[fi:Vihan Sota]]
[[fr:encyclo/evenements/1a/guerres/guerre_de_la_grande_colere]]