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2009-05-21T18:31:40Z

204.210.166.202: New page: Is ''Tarkil'' Westron, as it says here, or Quenya as it reads under tarkil? Wiser persons than I will have to answer this...

Is ''Tarkil'' Westron, as it says here, or Quenya as it reads under [[tarkil]]?

Wiser persons than I will have to answer this...

Birthday Toast

2009-05-20T17:42:00Z

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{{quote|When they had sung many songs, and talked of many things they had done together, they toasted Bilbo's birthday, and they drank his health and Frodo's together according to Frodo's custom.|''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'', [[Three is Company]]}}

The '''Birthday Toast''' was an event held each year at a small gathering in honour of both [[Bilbo Baggins]]' and [[Frodo Baggins]]' birthdays, held each year on the 22nd of September at [[Bag End]] (both hobbits shared the same birthday).

This custom began after Bilbo left Bag End after the celebration of his 111th birthday.

==Tolkien Society tradition==
The [[Tolkien Society]] has upheld this tradition through a Birthday Toast in honour of the creator of Bilbo and Frodo - [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] and is held on the author's birthday, 3rd January, each year. The 'toast' itself is: ''"The Professor"''.

[[Category:Events]]

Uglúk u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob búbhosh skai

2009-05-06T14:49:28Z

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'''Uglúk u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob búb-hosh skai''' is a phrase in [[Black Speech]], spoken by an unidentified [[Orcs|Uruk]] of [[Mordor]], possibly [[Grishnákh]]. It was a phrase used to express a certain contempt in the handling of the prisoners [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]] and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin]], aimed at [[Uglúk]] and the Orcs of [[Isengard]].

==Translation==
The phrase is not translated in the text, and in Appendix F it is only identified as "''the more debased form [of Black Speech] used by the soldiers of [[Barad-dûr|the Dark Tower]]''".

There exist three translations of this sentence. [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] must have either discarded or forgotten two of them. It is unknown which of them stands as canon.
===First translation===
This translation appeared in the draft of Appendix F, published in ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]''. Here, it is translated as "''Uglúk to the cesspool, sha! the dungfilth; the great Saruman-fool, skai!''"
===Second translation===
In a second translation, published in an article by [[Carl F. Hostetter]] in [[Vinyar Tengwar 26]], the phrase reads "''Uglúk u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob – búb-hosh skai!''", and the translation "''Uglúk to the dung-pit with stinking Saruman-filth - pig-guts, gah!''". Hostetter identifies the speaker as Grishnákh.

===Third translation===
Yet another translation, published in [[Parma Eldalamberon]] 17, is from the late 1950's, and as far as is known, Tolkien's last word on the subject. Here, the sentence is divided into one long sentence and one shorter - only expressing more contempt. 
:"''[Ugluk] u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob.'' ''búbhosh - skai!''" 
Which is translated as: 
:"''Uglúk to torture (chamber) with stinking Saruman-filth.'' ''Dung-heap. Skai!''".

==References==
* ''[[The Two Towers]]'', [[The Uruk-hai]].
* ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', [[Appendix F]], Of Other Races.
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', The Appendix on Languages, note 6.
* ''"Uglúk to the Dung-pit"'', [[Carl F. Hostetter]]. [[Vinyar Tengwar 26]], page 16.
* ''[[Parma Eldalamberon]] 17'', page 78.

[[Category:Orkish words]]
[[Category:Black Speech words]]

Uglúk u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob búbhosh skai

2009-05-06T14:49:00Z

204.210.166.202: /* Third translation */

'''Uglúk u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob búb-hosh skai''' is a phrase in [[Black Speech]], spoken by an unidentified [[Orcs|Uruk]] of [[Mordor]], possibly [[Grishnákh]]. It was a phrase used to express a certain discontempt in the handling of the prisoners [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]] and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin]], aimed at [[Uglúk]] and the Orcs of [[Isengard]].

==Translation==
The phrase is not translated in the text, and in Appendix F it is only identified as "''the more debased form [of Black Speech] used by the soldiers of [[Barad-dûr|the Dark Tower]]''".

There exist three translations of this sentence. [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] must have either discarded or forgotten two of them. It is unknown which of them stands as canon.
===First translation===
This translation appeared in the draft of Appendix F, published in ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]''. Here, it is translated as "''Uglúk to the cesspool, sha! the dungfilth; the great Saruman-fool, skai!''"
===Second translation===
In a second translation, published in an article by [[Carl F. Hostetter]] in [[Vinyar Tengwar 26]], the phrase reads "''Uglúk u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob – búb-hosh skai!''", and the translation "''Uglúk to the dung-pit with stinking Saruman-filth - pig-guts, gah!''". Hostetter identifies the speaker as Grishnákh.

===Third translation===
Yet another translation, published in [[Parma Eldalamberon]] 17, is from the late 1950's, and as far as is known, Tolkien's last word on the subject. Here, the sentence is divided into one long sentence and one shorter - only expressing more contempt. 
:"''[Ugluk] u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob.'' ''búbhosh - skai!''" 
Which is translated as: 
:"''Uglúk to torture (chamber) with stinking Saruman-filth.'' ''Dung-heap. Skai!''".

==References==
* ''[[The Two Towers]]'', [[The Uruk-hai]].
* ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', [[Appendix F]], Of Other Races.
* ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', The Appendix on Languages, note 6.
* ''"Uglúk to the Dung-pit"'', [[Carl F. Hostetter]]. [[Vinyar Tengwar 26]], page 16.
* ''[[Parma Eldalamberon]] 17'', page 78.

[[Category:Orkish words]]
[[Category:Black Speech words]]