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Talk:Ainulindalë

2017-04-03T18:20:23Z

216.243.12.138:

Because I believed TG and didn't consult the source material I thought that the exact name for the first section of ''The Silmarillion'' was "''The'' Ainulindalë". However, it is, of course, simply "Ainulindalë". Furthermore it is not a chapter and should not have been called "Ainulindalë (chapter)". Therefore I think that this should be moved to "Ainulindalë" and the <nowiki>"{{disambig-more|Ainulindalë|[[Ainulindalë (disambiguation)]]}}"</nowiki> at the top should be sufficient to alert readers to the disambiguation. What do you think? Also, "Ainulindalë" ''is'' a chapter of ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]''; therefore should we call that article "Ainulindalë (chapter)"? If what I have proposed is agreed the current redirect pages "Ainulindalë" and "Ainulindalë (chapter)" will need to be deleted to make way for the two article moves. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 15:10, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

:We also have the article "Ainulindalë (Morgoth's Ring)".

:I'm not sure how to deal with this. If I personally searched for Ainulindalë, I would like to know stuff like: what does the name refer to, in which books can I find info about the concept, how did the concept evolve in Tolkien's works, etc. Is it that usual that people are looking for summaries of chapters/parts of books?--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 18:52, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

::Yeah, we'll need to have "Ainulindalë (The Lost Road and Other Writings chapter)" and "Ainulindalë (Morgoth's Ring chapter)". Perhaps "Ainulindalë" could remain the disambiguation page, but then what would we call the "Ainulindalë" section of ''The Silmarilllion''? "Ainulindalë (section)"? Or even stick with calling it a chapter as "Ainulindalë (chapter)"? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 10:10, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

:::I think Ainulindalë should be the section of ''The Silmarillion'' -as unquestionably the more popular usage of the name - with everything else disambiguated. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:46, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

The grammar of the first sentence seems odd, in an inconspicuous way. To the ignorant reader: Is the '''Ainulindalë''' the title of the first part, or is it the first part? If "title" is the predicate noun of that opening phrase, the very word "Ainulindalë" should have quotes - otherwise it is implied that an entity is wholly equal to its own name, if both are interchangeable and neither need quotes. Whereas if the word "title" is erased entirely from the whole first paragraph, it isn't abrupt to say immediately afterwards "This '''tale''' begins.....".

Talk:Ainulindalë

2017-04-03T18:19:39Z

216.243.12.138:

Because I believed TG and didn't consult the source material I thought that the exact name for the first section of ''The Silmarillion'' was "''The'' Ainulindalë". However, it is, of course, simply "Ainulindalë". Furthermore it is not a chapter and should not have been called "Ainulindalë (chapter)". Therefore I think that this should be moved to "Ainulindalë" and the <nowiki>"{{disambig-more|Ainulindalë|[[Ainulindalë (disambiguation)]]}}"</nowiki> at the top should be sufficient to alert readers to the disambiguation. What do you think? Also, "Ainulindalë" ''is'' a chapter of ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]''; therefore should we call that article "Ainulindalë (chapter)"? If what I have proposed is agreed the current redirect pages "Ainulindalë" and "Ainulindalë (chapter)" will need to be deleted to make way for the two article moves. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 15:10, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

:We also have the article "Ainulindalë (Morgoth's Ring)".

:I'm not sure how to deal with this. If I personally searched for Ainulindalë, I would like to know stuff like: what does the name refer to, in which books can I find info about the concept, how did the concept evolve in Tolkien's works, etc. Is it that usual that people are looking for summaries of chapters/parts of books?--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 18:52, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

::Yeah, we'll need to have "Ainulindalë (The Lost Road and Other Writings chapter)" and "Ainulindalë (Morgoth's Ring chapter)". Perhaps "Ainulindalë" could remain the disambiguation page, but then what would we call the "Ainulindalë" section of ''The Silmarilllion''? "Ainulindalë (section)"? Or even stick with calling it a chapter as "Ainulindalë (chapter)"? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 10:10, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

:::I think Ainulindalë should be the section of ''The Silmarillion'' -as unquestionably the more popular usage of the name - with everything else disambiguated. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:46, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

The grammar of the first sentence seems odd, in an inconspicuous way. To the ignorant reader: Is the '''Ainulindalë''' the title of the first part, or is it the first part? If "title" is the predicate noun of that opening phrase, the very word "Ainulindalë" should have quotes - otherwise it is implied that an entity is wholly equal to its own name, if both are interchangeable and neither need quotes. Whereas if who erase "title" from the whole first paragraph, it isn't abrupt to say immediately afterwards "This '''tale''' begins.....".

Talk:The Book of Lost Tales: Part One

2017-01-12T22:14:47Z

216.243.12.138: Recycled.

Would it be better to call this ''The Book of Lost Tales Part One''? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 16:09, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

:Yes, it looks better to me (and so it appears on my cover).--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 16:14, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Is there a reason the first paragraph of this article is simply copied from the first cover-inset of the book itself, except for the first sentence? And if that's how it is, why does all the text following need to be yet another copy (though acknowledged to be so) of the publisher's synopsis? Then contents.......then the editions......

Anything on this Gateway-article that is informational is not original. :/