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Estella Bolger

2012-03-20T07:17:24Z

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'''Estella Brandybuck, née Bolger''', was a [[Hobbits|Hobbit]] of [[the Shire]].
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==History==
Estella was the second child of [[Odovacar Bolger]] and [[Rosamunda Took]]. She was present at [[Bilbo's Farewell Party]].

Her older brother, [[Fredegar Bolger|Fredegar]], was well acquainted with [[Meriadoc Brandybuck]], and Estella eventually married him after the [[War of the Ring]].<ref>{{App|Bolger}}</ref>

==Etymology==
''Estella'' is Spanish for "star". It is unusual for a female Hobbit to have a name referring to a celestial object.<ref>[[Jim Allan]], ''[[An Introduction to Elvish]]'', "Giving of Names"</ref>

==Other versions of the Legendarium==
Estella was a very late addition to the canon. So late, in fact, that [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] did not include her in Merry's genealogy until after the first edition of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' had been published. This late change took many years to be incorporated in all versions of the book, so that many extant copies are missing Estella's name altogether.<ref>{{PM|Trees}}</ref>

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[[Category:Brandybuck]]
[[Category:Hobbits]]
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Talk:Belegaer

2012-03-17T20:39:36Z

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==Inspiration==
We need to be careful about drawing conclusions about possible correspondences between real-world locations and the legendarium (Tolkien himself refused to analyse the LotR as an analogy). In case no one disagrees, I will remove the (current) note on inspiration.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 17:18, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

:Agreed. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:35, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

::+1 --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:Disagreed (willing to elaborate if asked) [[User:Sage|Sage]] 15:34, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

::+1 (on the condition that a source to a Tolkien scholar is given, like in the current situation). --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 16:00, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:::Sage: please, elaborate. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 16:15, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

::::(Side note: whatever is decided here can we at least agree to take this out of an "Inspiration" heading. I doubt we'll get any proof that Tolkien was inspired by the Atlantic Ocean.) --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:28, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

:::::Disagree --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 16:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

== Elaboration ==

:First of all I am replying to Morgan's rationale about not drawing conclusions and parallels:
:When Tolkien spoke about LotR and analogies he mainly discouraged conclusions such as "Saruman represents Hitler", "The Ring represents the atomic power" and so on. But cosmographic parallels are a wholly different story. In [[Letter 294]] T was asked about such a matter and said "the North-west of ‘Middle-earth’ [is] equivalent in latitude to the coastlands of Europe and the north shores of the Mediterranean". Of course earlier in the letter he admitted "it would be difficult to fit" M-e's map and prehistorical Earth.
:(I am not sure if it was in the same letter where T admits that he didn't take into consideration paleogeological evidence for drawing his maps. When finally someone brought this to his attention, he said that now it would be too late to change the story.)
:With the above I want to point out that even if T did discourage drawing parallels on certain topics, in other topics he appeared far from discouraging, negative and dismissive. Although considering scientific evidence was not a priority, causing his creation be hard to fit with reality, he did not say something like "this matter is totally out, as LotR is not an analogy"

:Now, I must open the matter of "speculation" vs. "self-evidence".
:Must T mention that [[Erestor]] is immortal? Would it be "original research" or "unsourced claim" to mention that he is immortal? No. We can and do employ common sense and syllogism for such generic self-evident things: All Elves are immortal; Erestor is an Elf; ergo, it's self-evident that Erestor is immortal. No proof is required.
:So if T admits an "equivalence" between the Westlands and Europe, the only straightforward mathematical consequent is "ergo Belegaer is equivalent to the Atlantic"; it's too self-evident to even call it an observation, an assumption, a theory, or an "original research".
:Now, if you object with the phrasing "Belegaer ''is'' the Atlantic" why object to T's own word "equivalent"? Do we need a scholar to make the self-evident syllogism for us?

:I understand that such syllogisms usually fall under the "original research" umbrella in Wikipedia which can be understandable for important real-life topics; but unless TG consciously decides to copy this mentality (to which I'd object if I were asked), I tend to support us being common-sensical over the letter of the law.

:PS. I didn't add the "Atlantic" part in the article; I only moved it to another section.

Mount Sunday

2012-02-26T20:49:42Z

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'''Mount Sunday''', [[New Zealand]], was used in [[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]] as the hill on which [[Edoras]], the capital of [[Rohan]], sat.

[[Category:The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy filming locations]]
[[Category:New Zealand locations]]

Mount Sunday

2012-02-26T20:49:00Z

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'''Mount Sunday''', [[New Zealand]], was used in [[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]] as the hill o[n which [[Edoras]], the capital of [[Rohan]], sat.

[[Category:The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy filming locations]]
[[Category:New Zealand locations]]

Mount Sunday

2012-02-26T20:45:25Z

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'''Mount Sunday''', [[New Zealand]], was used in [[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]] as the hill o[[]]n which [[Edoras]], the capital of [[Rohan]], sat.

[[Category:The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy filming locations]]
[[Category:New Zealand locations]]

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2012-02-26T20:44:21Z

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Uruk-hai

2012-02-18T22:34:05Z

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{{quote|...and others, too, came out of the forest. Great Orcs, who also bore the White Hand of [[Isengard]]: that kind is stronger and more fell than all the others.|[[Éomer]]<ref name="Riders">{{TT|Riders}}</ref>}}

The '''Uruk-hai''' were a new breed of [[Orcs]] that appeared during the [[Third Age]].

==Appearance==
The Uruk-hai made up a large part of [[Saruman]]'s army, together with the [[Dunland|Dunlendings]] and other [[Men|Mannish]] enemies of [[Rohan]], and similar large Orcs also served as the elite troops of [[Mordor]]. They were faster than normal Orcs and could travel during the day without being weakened. They were not only faster but smarter, stronger and larger, though some were still shorter than Men. There are suggestions that the Uruk-hai were the result of crossbreeding Orcs and [[Men]]. Certainly, other creatures in Saruman's armies, and under his command in the Shire, appear to have been hybrids, though these "[[half-orcs]]" were as tall as Men and are never described simply as Orcs, as the Uruk-hai frequently are. It is never explained exactly ''how'' Orcs were hybridized with Men, it was more probably that some form of alchemy used to infuse Orcs with mannish qualities. [[Treebeard]] openly wonders if they are Orcs that have been somehow "improved", or Men that were corrupted with Orc-like qualities, or if they were indeed a blending of Men and Orcs, an act which Treebeard considered to be "a black evil". Saruman's army of Uruk-hai fought against [[Kings of Rohan|King]] [[Théoden]] of Rohan and his people at [[Battle of the Hornburg|Helm's Deep]].

The race of uruks, described as "black orcs of great strength" first appeared about the year [[Third Age 2475|2475]] of the Third Age, when they conquered [[Ithilien]] and destroyed the city of [[Osgiliath]]. These were evidently of Sauron's breeding, but it is not clear whether or not these uruks should be regarded as identical with the Uruk-hai, who could be a further 'improvement' to the race achieved by Saruman.

The Orcs and Uruks in the service of [[Barad-dûr]], the folk of Mordor, used the symbol of the [[Eye of Sauron|Red Eye of Sauron]]. The Red Eye was also painted on their shields. At least one, a guard on the march with [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]] and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin]], had a black knife with a long saw-edged blade, used by Pippin to cut through the ropes on his hands. These Uruks of Mordor referred to Sauron as the Great Eye, and [[Grishnákh]] was their captain. They were all long-armed and crook-legged, not as tall as the [[Isengard|Isengarder]] Uruks but larger than the [[Moria]] Orcs. They could see better in the dark than the Isengarders could.

The Uruk-hai of [[Saruman|Saruman the White]] used an S [[Cirth|elf-rune]] wrought in white metal on the front of their iron helms. It was clear this "S" stood for Saruman, because their shields had a small white hand (the symbol of Saruman) centered on a black field. [[Aragorn]] commented that their gear was not in the manner of other Orcs at all. Instead of curved scimitars, they used short, broad-bladed swords. Their great [[Bows|bows]] were made of yew wood, in length and shape as those of Men. They also appeared different physically: greater stature, swarthy, slant-eyed, thick legs and large hands. Although they did not like the light of the [[Sun]], they could withstand it better than other orcs. Saruman promised them man-flesh as a treat. He aided them with his wizardry as well: when Aragorn, [[Gimli]], and [[Legolas]] followed the party of Uruks who kidnapped Merry and Pippin, Saruman's will caused weariness of the heart for the pursuers and lent speed to the Orcs. [[Uglúk]] led the Uruk-hai of Isengard, and since they were the strongest he felt that he led the [[Hobbits|hobbit]] march as well, insisting on going back by way of Isengard. This was the group that slew [[Boromir]].

==Etymology==
The name ''Uruk-hai'' has the element '''''uruk''''', which is a [[Black Speech]] word meaning "Orc".<ref>{{App|F1iv}}</ref><ref name=WJAC>{{WJ|AC}}, pp. 389-91</ref><ref name=L144>{{L|144}}</ref><ref name=PE17_47>{{PE|17}}, p. 47</ref> (For related words in other languages, see [[Orcs#Orcs in Tolkien's languages|Orcs in Tolkien's languages]].) The element ''[[hai|-hai]]'', also present in [[Olog-hai]] and [[Oghor-hai]], means "folk, people".

==Portrayal in adaptations==
In both [[The Lord of the Rings (1978 film)]] and [[The Return of the King (1980 film)]], Uruk-hai are portrayed identical as (and without distinction to) the [[Orcs]].

'''1988: ''[[J.R.R. Tolkien's War in Middle Earth]]'':'''
[[File:WiMe-Isengard&Uruks&Orcs-1-.png|thumb|150px]]
:The Uruk-hai are portrayed as figures with purple armor and a shield.

'''2001-3: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy]]'':'''

In [[The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy|Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]], Saruman appears to be the only one who created the Uruks. They are shown in the movie as being released from a kind of membrane in the mud deep under Isengard (special commentary on the DVD edition explained that they were trying to base the scene on a early description of Tolkien's that Orcs "worm their way out of the ground like maggots"). In the movies Uruk-hai are described as a crossbreed between Orcs and "goblin-men": this may be a dialogue error because in Tolkien's works "Orc" is a synonym for goblin. This description may however refer to Men corrupted by Goblins. These Uruks are sent after the Fellowship, and their leader is [[Lurtz]], a movie-only character.

His Uruks included Pikemen, Swordsmen, Archers, and [[Berserk Er|Berserkers]].
The Berserkers are the shock troops. When they were first spawned a helmet filled with blood was placed on their heads, so that they were filled with a bloodlust for their enemies. They carry doubly-bent swords, and forgo any armour in lieu of agility, slaying foes left and right, completely devoid of fear and pain. Pikemen, as the name suggests, carry long pikes, while archers carry [[crossbows]]. Swordsmen wield a straight iron sword, hooked at the tip, and deadly in an Uruk-hai's strong grip. They also use bladed shields, as seen in [[Amon Hen]] during [[Aragorn]]'s fight against Lurtz.

The Uruks were also very efficient using siege equipment, and had been trained to use crossbows with deadly accuracy. The Uruks, like the lesser Orcs, seemed to not care of each other's presence, shown by the battering ram wielders at Helm's Deep, barging each other off of the thin bridge. The Uruks also hated the Orcs, believing they were a lesser being and often rioting, e.g. in the tower of Cirith Ungol when Shagrat and Gorbag argued over Frodo's vest of Mithril and starting a mass war within the tower. The Uruks seem also to be able to control natural urges more than the Orcs, e.g. the Orcs demanded to eat the Hobbits they had captured, while the Uruks were protective. It would seem the only way Orcs were better than Uruks is in treachery, lying and being devious. The Uruks are also not seen to ever ride a mount, possibly due to size, weight and build (the Wargs which attacked the Rohan migration were ridden by trained Orcs).

==See also==
* [[Olog-hai]]

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Sauron's attack on Osgiliath

2012-02-11T23:25:30Z

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|place= The ruins of [[Osgiliath]] and its last bridge
|result=Victory for [[Sauron]], fall of the eastern half of Osgiliath, allowing the [[Nazgûl]] to [[Hunt for the Ring|hunt for the Ring]]
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'''Sauron's attack on Osgiliath''' occurred on 20 June, {{TA|3018}}<ref>{{App|Great}}</ref>, and was later recognized as the beginning of the [[War of the Ring]], for [[Sauron]] had two purposes in making this assault: First, Sauron wished to test the strength and preparedness of [[Denethor II|Denethor]] (which was found to be greater than he hoped). Second, Sauron's other and greater purpose was to make the appearance of the [[Nazgûl]] seem to be only part of his war policy against [[Gondor]], in order to conceal from the [[White Council|Wise]] their mission to hunt for [[the One Ring]].<ref name="hunt">{{UT|Hunt}}</ref>

At the [[Council of Elrond]], [[Boromir]] recounted this battle as a sudden attack in which the men of Gondor were outnumbered by the forces of Morder with their allies, the [[Easterlings]] and [[Haradrim]]. However, he attributed Gondor's defeat to a power that had not been felt before, issuing from a great black horseman. Only a remnant of Gondor's eastern force survived. The last bridge across the [[Anduin]] was defended by a company led by Boromir and [[Faramir]] until the structure was destroyed. Only the two brothers and two others survived by swimming.<ref>{{FR|Council}}</ref>

After the eastern portion of Osgiliath was taken and the bridge broken, Sauron broke off the assault, ordering the Nazgûl to begin their search for the Ring.<ref name="hunt"/>
{{References}}
[[Category:Conflicts of the War of the Ring]]

Norin

2012-02-11T23:15:34Z

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{{adaptation}}{{dwarves infobox
| image=
| name=Norin
| othernames=
| life=Late [[Third Age]]
| realm=[[Iron Hills]]<ref name="Backstory Farin">{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.warinthenorth.com/the-game/heroes/backstory#dwarfAnchor|articlename=Dwarven Character: Farin's History|dated=|website=War in the North|accessed=3 January 2011}}</ref>
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|}}'''Norin''' is a [[Longbeards|Longbeard]] [[Dwarves|Dwarf]] and the father of [[Farin (video game character)|Farin]]. When Farin was born he did live in the [[Iron Hills]]. It is unknown if he was originally born in [[Erebor]], or if he returned after the [[Battle of the Five Armies]]. Although he doesn't make an actual appearence in [[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]], he is mentioned in the [http://www.warinthenorth.com/the-game/heroes/backstory#dwarfAnchor backstory of Farin].<ref name="Backstory Farin"/>

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{{References}}

[[Category:Noncanon Dwarves]] [[Category:The Lord of the Rings: War in the North Characters]]

Agandaûr

2012-01-27T21:38:28Z

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{{adaptation}}
{{evil infobox
| image=[[File:LOTR-WITN-Agandaur2.png|250px]]
| name= Agandaûr
| othernames=
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| years=
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|}}'''Agandaûr''' is one of the main characters of ''[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]]''. He is a descendant of the [[Black Númenóreans]] and one of [[Sauron]]'s most cruel servants, and a sorcerer as well. At the end of the [[Third Age]] Sauron sent him to the north to destroy [[Rivendell]] and defeat the [[Free peoples]] of the north.<ref>[http://asia.gamespot.com/?tag=header%3Blogo Gamespot Asia], [http://asia.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/the-lord-of-the-rings-war-in-the-north/news.html?sid=6296919&mode=previews The Lord of the Rings: War in the North Q&A], dated [[31 January]], [[2011]] (accessed at [[6 July]], [[2011]])</ref>

==See Also==
* [[:Category:Images of Agandaûr|Images of Agandaûr]]
* [[Mordirith]]
* [[Mouth of Sauron]], another [[Black Númenóreans|Black Númenórean]] who served [[Sauron]].

{{References}}

[[Category:Noncanon Men]] [[Category:The Lord of the Rings: War in the North Characters]]

Talk:Andriel

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==Etymology==
I hope my <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> inclusion and comments (seen whilst editing the page) help people understand why the information, as it stands, should be sourced or removed.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 18:32, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

:Actually, my main point in this is: with Tolkien, we know the name means something (with very, very few exceptions). With adaptations of his work? We could make guesses to what Perphant, Belenthrond, Belarum, etc. mean, but we don't know if they were ever intended to mean anything - it can just as easily be coincidence. Andriel may (possibly) mean "long garlanded maiden", but "Long garland" makes no sense for a name. Unless there's a source that explicitly states the creators went for "meaningful" as opposed to "Elvish-y sounding", I think we shouldn't include an Etymology section on adaptations characters, unless they share a name with a canonical character. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
::As long as it mentions that the etymology is "possible", I see no reason why it should not stay. [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Jack "BtR" Saxon]] 18:45, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:::As KA mentioned in the note in the article, is "it is possible..." good enough for an encyclopedia? Personally, I don't think so. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:05, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

::::Strongly agree with Ederchil here.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 19:30, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::I believe that there are other "Possible etymology" sections on this encyclopaedia. [[User:Jack "BtR" Saxon|Jack "BtR" Saxon]] 21:13, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::+1 Ederchil

Valar and Maiar

2011-10-15T09:09:34Z

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|image=[[Image:Valar and Maiar (MERP).jpg|225px]]
|author=[[Peter C. Fenlon, Jr.]]
|isbn=1-55806-196-7
|publisher=[[Iron Crown Enterprises]]
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'''''Valar and Maiar''''' is a supplement (in the series ''Peoples of Middle-earth'') for ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing]]'', 2nd Edition.

== Cover/Jacket Text ==

''"...But it was not the trolls that had filled the Elf with terror. the ranks of the orcs had opened, and they crowded away, as if they themselves were afraid. Something was coming up behind them. What it was could not be seen: it was like a great shadow, in the middle of which was a dark form, of man-shape maybe, yet greater; and a power and terror seemed to be in it and to got before it."'' - The Fellowship of the Ring

Imagine, after hearing all the awful legends, finally confronting a dreadful spirit borne out of the great Evil of the Elder Days, an immortal demon stirred from his premeval slumber. Imagine meeting a Balrog.

In Valar & Maiar you learn about Balrogs, as well as all the other greater spirits (good and evil) inhabiting J.R.R. Tolkien's marvelous world. These immortal being, the mighty Ainur, helped shape Middle-earth - the place Elves call Endor. Their story dominates much of the continent's troubled history. Fallen Ainur, Morgoth, Sauron, and the Balrogs, forever haunt the land, twisting Endor's peoples and perverting its politics. Faithful valar, like Oromë and Aulë, serve as patrons of the Free Peoples. Wise Maiar, like Gandalf and Tom Bombadil, act as caretakers of the Balance of Things. Each has a place in Eru's scheme, and each has a story that colors the grand saga of Middle-earth.

Inside you'll find alphabetical listings covering the appearance, motivations, characteristics, and background of each of the Valar and prominent Maiar:
Overviews describing the general nature and history of all the "Holy Ones," the immortal Ainur, including the fallen spirits known as the Great Enemies.

*Valar, or "powers," the high guardians of the world:
**Manwë, the "Breather," Maker of Winds, Lord of the Sky, and King of the Valar.
**Varda, Elbereth Gilthoniel, the exaulted Queen of the Starts.
**Oromë, the "Huntsman," the world's greatest armsmaster.
**Tulkas, the "Mighty," stringest being in Arda.
*Maiar, or "Hands," the immortal servants of the Valar:
**Tom Bombadil, master of the Old Forest and the oldest of the Ainur in Middle-earth.
**Eönwë, the mighty Herald of the Valar and greatest of the Maia warlords.
**Melian, the Maia who married an Elf-king and became Queen of Doriath.
**Goldberry, the beautiful Water-spirit whose music charms the ageless flow of the River Withywindle.
**Wizards - Alatar, Gandalf, Pallando, Radagast, and Saruman - the five Maia emissaries sent to Middle-earth in the Third Age.
*Fallen Ainur, like:
**Morgoth, the "Black Enemy," the exalted Vala who became the origin of all Evil.
**Sauron, the "Lord of the Rings," the great Maia who served as Morgoth's high servant.
**Gothmog, the "King of the Balrogs," the lost Fire-spirit that led the Host of Angband.
**Ungoliant, the frightful "Demon of the Void," who poisoned the Two Trees that gave light to the World.

Complete character stats for ICE's [[Middle-earth Role Playing]], [[Rolemaster]], and [[Lord of the Rings Adventure Game]] systems, as well as provisions for adapting the characters to other adventure games.

Valar & Maiar is the first title in ICE's Peoples of Middle-earth adventure game series. Each work in this collection documents a specific race or group found in Tolkien's Middle-earth. Other volumes includes Dwarves, Hobbits, Orcs, Trolls, etc. Each is a comprehensive compendium describing all the notable characters from one of Endor's varied races.

Note: ICE's Valar & Maiar is a revised compilation of material previously published as part of the work entitled [[Lords of Middle-earth: Vol. I|Lords of Middle-earth, Volume 1: the Immortals: Elves, Maiar, and Valar]]. While ICE has added some new material and reorganized the data, most of the prose here was already in print when we began our revision.

[[Category:MERP]]

Forums:Articles on non-licenced games

2011-08-10T17:30:09Z

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<div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] > [[Forum:Council|Forums]] > {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]



It was agreed at the [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/7 August 2011|7 August 2011 meeting]] that we should conduct this discussion here. Should we have articles on non-licensed games? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 14:47, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

:We could, but cut back on the creator articles. And remove games that never came out. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

::I think we should have gaming articles about unofficial, uncommercial articles. If we do we should have to delete Born of Hope, The Hunt for Gollum, etc. aswell.
::I think we should have game designers when they as individuals are connected with the game (like [[Philip Mitchell]] with [[The Hobbit (1982 video game)|The Hobbit]], but not all 100 designers of [[War in the North]]. Though, I'm still a bit debating with myself on game designers. --[[Special:Contributions/62.238.249.105|62.238.249.105]] 17:30, 10 August 2011 (UTC)