Talk:Nazgûl

2006-11-26T04:26:42Z

72.94.255.194: any image from the films

== any image from the films ==

upload an image from the films, please.

Talk:Sauron

2006-11-26T04:16:34Z

72.94.255.194: timo vihola picture for sauron

I've linked '''Utter West''' to [[West]], or should there be a seperate article for '''Utter West'''? --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 05:32, 9 March 2006 (EST)

:'''Utter West''' I believe is just another name for [[Aman]]. If it is used by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] then we can link it directly to [[Utter West]], if not then we probably should have two Wests, one for West of [[Middle-earth]] and one for West of [[Arda]] or something, what do you think? --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:45, 9 March 2006 (EST)

::Agreed on the '''Utter West''' referring to [[Aman]], but so does [[West|The West]], generally speaking. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 16:35, 9 March 2006 (EST)

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I disagree with the first part of the following paragraph in the entry and I think it should be deleted. What do the rest of you think? --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 15:53, 4 May 2006 (EDT)

<blockquote>''By doing so, Sauron actually became more powerful than his master Morgoth at the end of the First Age, whose [[Fëa and hröa|fëa]] ("soul" or "spirit"), while stronger, was dispersed into the matter of Arda. When Sauron put on the One Ring and tried to dominate the Elves, they resisted, and Sauron came upon them in the [[War of the Elves and Sauron]] and, if not for the intervention of [[Númenor]], might have defeated them.''</blockquote>

:I agree with you Ebakunin, more powerful than [[Morgoth]] is a stretch as [[Sauron]] is simply a [[Maia]] while Morgoth is [[Vala]]. I'll look into it just to double check [[Tolkien]] never stated such a thing, but I think it would be safe to remove it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 18:18, 4 May 2006 (EDT)

::Actually, I do recall having read something to that extend. Will have to look further into it, though. It's probably somewhere in the depths of HoMe. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 03:54, 5 May 2006 (EDT)

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In the entry there's a comment on his title, '''the Nameless Enemy''':

<blockquote>''He is also called '''the Nameless Enemy''', which is hardly accurate (but perhaps an effort to lessen his psychological impact), whereas Morgoth is the Dark Enemy.''</blockquote>

Is Sauron only referred to as the Nameless Enemy during the [[Third Age]], in the time before he had declared himself openly? The [[White Council]] knew there was a villian in [[Dol Guldur]], but until 2850 they didn't know it was Sauron. If this was the time when the Nameless Enemy was used, it would make perfect sense. Any know more about use of the title? Thanks. --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 16:28, 6 May 2006 (EDT)

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Should we create a new article for '''[[Thû]]'''? I would like to have placed a note near the title concerning it, but there are so many names for Sauron as Tolkien's legendarium evolved... --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 20:44, 4 June 2006 (EDT)

:Sounds good to me. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 20:47, 4 June 2006 (EDT)

==Balrog :-s==
I remember reading somewhere a while ago that Sauron was a Balrog (or something associated with them) I kinda doubt this to be true but i would like to know if anybody else knows anything about this. Thanks. [[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]] 15:12, 3 September 2006 (EDT)

:Hm, maybe you read that they were both [[Maia]] (as was [[Gandalf]]) but [[Sauron]] was definitely not a Balrog nor even remotely close to being considered one. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:23, 3 September 2006 (EDT)
*Actually, i think it was that the Balrog was a [[Maiar]]. [[User:Jasca Ducato|Jasca Ducato]] 15:57, 3 September 2006 (EDT)

::Balrogs were lesser Maiar (by the way, ''Maia'' is the singular). Sauron was also a Maia, though of a more powerful order. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 18:17, 3 September 2006 (EDT)

== timo vihola picture for sauron ==

someone please upload that timo vihola picture for sauron into the images of sauron category?.

Talk:Morgoth

2006-11-11T15:52:04Z

72.94.255.194: timo vihola picture

can we add the daniel govar picture of him please? {{unsigned|151.197.54.48}}

:Good idea. I've added Govar's illustration as well as a few others. Thanks for the input. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:42, 8 September 2006 (EDT)

::no, hyarion i meant moving the daniel govar image to images of morgoth category.{{unsigned|70.20.238.224}}

:::Hm, then I guess I'm still confused, which image are you referring to? The image of Morgoth/Melkor by Govar currently in the article was uploaded after you posted that so you must have been referring to another image. I suppose we should merge [[Category:Images of Melkor]] and [[Category:Images of Morgoth]], I'll do that now. Thanks again for your input. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 12:19, 10 September 2006 (EDT)

== timo vihola picture ==

can someone add the timo vihola picture of him to the images of melkor category?

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