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Talk:Andwise Roper

2005-09-07T19:32:22Z

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How difficult is this guy's genealogy???

His grandfather is called Hob Gammidge, his father Hobson (Gammidge) aka Roper Gamgee, his uncle Hamfast "Gaffer" Gamgee, His brother Hamfast Gamgee II is later known as Hamfast Roper...
That's 4 surnames in 1 line...

<code>
Gammidge
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Gamgee Gamgee
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Roper Gamgee/Gardner
</code>

Where to put them... I vote Gammidge... Or Gamgee. Andy should actually be 'Andwise "Andy the Roper" Gamgee', if you ask me...

User talk:Hyarion

2005-09-06T22:18:05Z

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Hello, Hyarion!

I hope this is the right place to send messages - if not, please erase this.

Well, I was suprised to see that I was the second person to register in here, but that's even better: there's plenty of room to fill in.

I found these pages - as you might guess - via the Finnish Kontu forum, where the administrator Merri had posted a message informing about possibilities for co-operation. So I hope there will be more Finns to register in. I'll send my contributions when I have time to do that - quite irregularly, I'm afraid, but let's hope the best.

yours, Tik

By the way, how does one start writing a new article to which there exists no previous
link? I couldn't figure that out, being quite unaccustomed to Wiki. The only way I could start writing a new article was to edit a previous one and add there a new internal link and continue editing that one.

== Good Question ==

I have a feeling that will be a common one (because I had to figure that one out myself) so I'll post that on the help page. All you have to do is type in your address bar, something like http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Title of Page (it will even insert the underscores for you) and you will be directed to a page that does not exist and you can edit it that way.

Also, something I broke my own rule on, its a good idea to type a 'signature' when adding a comment to a discussion, otherwise no one knows who wrote it. I wish mediawiki would do it automatically, but until I fix that, a good standard to use is like mine below, just type "&mdash ;" but take the space out between the h and the semicolon...I can't figure out how to show those literally. You can also use -- it's just a matter of preference. And then type 4 ~ in a row. The first one prints out your name, second the time, 3rd the date, and 4th the timezone I believe.

EDIT: Hm...looks like your one step ahead of me, on your pages, you have exactly that.

EDIT: On second thought I'm going to move this to User:Hyarion because I'll probably keep this page to say what the English translation of Hyarion is.

— [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:41, 12 Jun 2005 (EDT)

== Answer To Your Question ==

A lot of my stuff is at my LJ, [http://www.livejournal.com/users/brighty11/ ~~Black Sun~~], and some is at Parma, OF and Elfsheen, but a lot is just on my hard disk. :)

— [[User:BrightSideoftheDark|Brighty]] 6:22, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

== Sandbox ==

Hey

Can you try and make a [[Special:Sandbox]] for us users to try stuff out in?
makes editing family lines and such easier...

User talk:80.126.81.215

2005-09-06T22:14:39Z

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#redirect [[user talk:Bokkie]]

User:Bokkie

2005-09-06T22:12:12Z

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My name is Bokkie, AKA Thorwald.
I'm a [[Men|human]] male of youthful age and have come in contact with [[Tolkien]] and his writings approximately 10 to 12 years ago.

The only works of Tolkien (and his son, Christopher) I have read so far are [[The Hobbit|The Hobbit (or there, and back again)]], [[The Lord of the Rings]] and [[The Silmarillion]].

I do not know much of Tolkien and his works, but I do however like Wikis.
During an IRC chat in [http://www.barrowdowns.com/theme-mordor.php #Barrowdowns] on [http://www.sorcery.net/ SorceryNet] I heard of this wiki and looked at, finding that much work could be done in the structuring of articles.

And the rest, as they say, can be read here. 8-)

Peony Baggins

2005-09-05T21:34:49Z

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The youngest of three children, Peony was the daughter of [[Posco Baggins]] and [[Gilly Brownlock]]. She married [[Milo Burrows]] (a descendant of [[Gorbadoc Brandybuck|Master Gorbadoc]] of [[Buckland]]) and they had four children of their own: [[Mosco Burrows|Mosco]], [[Moto Burrows|Moto]], [[Myrtle Burrows|Myrtle]] and [[Minto Burrows|Minto]]. Peony was related to both [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] and [[Frodo Baggins]], but only distantly: the closest relation all three had in common was Peony's great-great-grandfather [[Balbo Baggins]], who had been born some two hundred years before her time.

[[Category:Hobbits]]
[[Category:Baggins]]

Ponto Baggins II

2005-09-05T21:29:33Z

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Oldest son of [[Posco Baggins]] and [[Gilly Brownlock]], father of [[Angelica Baggins|Angelica]]

[[Category:Hobbits]][[Category:Baggins]]

Posco Baggins

2005-09-05T21:23:31Z

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The son of [[Polo Baggins]], Posco married [[Gilly Brownlock]], and together they had three children. The first was named after Posco's grandfather [[Ponto Baggins|Ponto]], while the second and third were named [[Porto Baggins|Porto]] and [[Peony Baggins|Peony]]. Posco was born in the Shire-year 1302, and though he may well have lived into his old age, he apparently didn't get old enough to celebrate [[Bilbo's Farewell Party]] ninety-nine years later. We know that his wife [[Gilly Brownlock|Gilly]] was present at that Party, but Posco was not.

As a [[Baggins]], Posco was related to both [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] and [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]], but only very distantly. His closest ancestor in common with [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] was his great-grandfather [[Balbo Baggins]], who was also [[Bilbo]]'s great-grandfather through a different line of descent.

Posco and Gilly's children:
* [[Ponto II Baggins|Ponto]]
* Porto
* Peony

[[Category:Hobbits]]
[[Category:Baggins]]

Posco Baggins

2005-09-05T21:19:52Z

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Prisca Baggins

2005-09-05T21:08:32Z

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Prisca is the granddaughter of [[Ponto Baggins]], older brother of [[Frodo Baggins]]' great-grandfather [[Largo Baggins|Largo]].<br />
She married into the [[Bolger Family]] family by marrying [[Wilibald Bolger]].<br />
Prisca and Wilibald did not have any children

Fathers of the Dwarves

2005-09-04T13:40:05Z

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The Seven '''Fathers of the Dwarves''' were the first of their race.

It is told in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' that the [[Valar|Vala]] [[Aulë]] created the [[Dwarves]] because he was impatient for the arising of the Children of [[Ilúvatar]] ([[Elves]] and [[Men]]). He created seven Dwarves, and was teaching them the language he had devised for them ([[Khuzdul]]) when Ilúvatar confronted him. Aulë offered his creations to Ilúvatar, who accepted them and gave them life.

However, the Fathers of the Dwarves had to wait until the Elves first arrived, and Aulë laid them to rest in various places in the continent of Middle-earth.

The eldest of all, [[Durin I|Durin]], "lay alone" at [[Mount Gundabad]] in the north of the [[Misty Mountains]]. He later founded the line of the '''[[Longbeards]]''' (or ''[[Sigin-tarâg]]'' in Khuzdul), the Dwarves which were most friendly to the Elves and Men, mostly referred to as [[Durin's Folk]]. His city was [[Moria (Middle-earth)|Khazad-dûm]].

Two others were laid to rest near [[Mount Dolmed]] in the [[Ered Luin]] or ''Blue Mountains'', and they founded the lines of the '''[[Broadbeams]]''' and the '''[[Firebeards]]''' who later lived in [[Nogrod]] and [[Belegost]].

The other four Fathers of Dwarves were laid to rest in the far east, two of them at the northern end of the [[Orocarni]], and the other two near the southern end of the range. These founded the lines of the '''[[Ironfists]]''' and '''[[Stiffbeards]]''', and '''[[Blacklocks]]''' and '''[[Stonefoots]]'''. No Dwarves of these lines appear in the tales: however, as noted below, the Longbeards may be formed out of Dwarves from all lines, and Dwarves from Durin's Folk may therefore have ancestors from these other lines. After the end of the [[First Age]], when the ancestral homes of the Broadbeams and Firebeards were destroyed, these two lines merged with Durin's Folk, so that Moria had a mixed population, and [[Thorin Oakenshield]] grew up in the remnants of the Firebeards' halls.

Of the Fathers of the Dwarves, only Durin is said to have "lain alone". This can be interpreted as referring to the fact he was indeed laid down to rest alone while the other Fathers were laid to rest in pairs, but older versions of the story suggest that it meant Durin alone had no female companion. The other Fathers did: references are made by Tolkien to the "Thirteen Dwarves" created by Aulë (Durin and the six pairs). By this version of the story, Durin's Folk was formed out of Dwarves from the other six lines, as a mixed people arose when all Dwarves went to Gundabad.

[[Category:Dwarves]]

Fathers of the Dwarves

2005-09-04T13:33:13Z

80.126.81.215: well, almost 8-)

The Seven '''Fathers of the Dwarves''' were the first of their race.

It is told in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' that the [[Valar|Vala]] [[Aulë]] created the [[Dwarves]] because he was impatient for the arising of the Children of [[Ilúvatar]] ([[Elves]] and [[Men]]). He created seven Dwarves, and was teaching them the language he had devised for them ([[Khuzdul]]) when Ilúvatar confronted him. Aulë offered his creations to Ilúvatar, who accepted them and gave them life.

However, the Fathers of the Dwarves had to wait until the Elves first arrived, and Aulë laid them to rest in various places in the continent of Middle-earth.

The eldest of all, [[Durin I|Durin]], "lay alone" at [[Mount Gundabad]] in the north of the [[Misty Mountains]]. He later founded the line of the [['''Longbeards''']] (or ''Sigin-tarâg'' in Khuzdul), the Dwarves which were most friendly to the Elves and Men, mostly referred to as [[Durin's Folk]]. His city was [[Moria (Middle-earth)|Khazad-dûm]].

Two others were laid to rest near [[Mount Dolmed]] in the [[Ered Luin]] or ''Blue Mountains'', and they founded the lines of the ''[[Broadbeams]]'' and the ''[[Firebeards]]'' who later lived in [[Nogrod]] and [[Belegost]].

The other four Fathers of Dwarves were laid to rest in the far east, two of them at the northern end of the [[Orocarni]], and the other two near the southern end of the range. These founded the lines of the ''[[Ironfists]]'' and ''[[Stiffbeards]]'', and ''[[Blacklocks]]'' and ''[[Stonefoots]]''. No Dwarves of these lines appear in the tales: however, as noted below, the Longbeards may be formed out of Dwarves from all lines, and Dwarves from Durin's Folk may therefore have ancestors from these other lines. After the end of the [[First Age]], when the ancestral homes of the Broadbeams and Firebeards were destroyed, these two lines merged with Durin's Folk, so that Moria had a mixed population, and [[Thorin Oakenshield]] grew up in the remnants of the Firebeards' halls.

Of the Fathers of the Dwarves, only Durin is said to have "lain alone". This can be interpreted as referring to the fact he was indeed laid down to rest alone while the other Fathers were laid to rest in pairs, but older versions of the story suggest that it meant Durin alone had no female companion. The other Fathers did: references are made by Tolkien to the "Thirteen Dwarves" created by Aulë (Durin and the six pairs). By this version of the story, Durin's Folk was formed out of Dwarves from the other six lines, as a mixed people arose when all Dwarves went to Gundabad.

[[Category:Dwarves]]

Fathers of the Dwarves

2005-09-04T13:30:46Z

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The Seven '''Fathers of the Dwarves''' were the first of their race.

It is told in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' that the [[Valar|Vala]] [[Aulë]] created the [[Dwarves]] because he was impatient for the arising of the Children of [[Ilúvatar]] ([[Elves]] and [[Men]]). He created seven Dwarves, and was teaching them the language he had devised for them ([[Khuzdul]]) when Ilúvatar confronted him. Aulë offered his creations to Ilúvatar, who accepted them and gave them life.

However, the Fathers of the Dwarves had to wait until the Elves first arrived, and Aulë laid them to rest in various places in the continent of Middle-earth.

The eldest of all, [[Durin I|Durin]], "lay alone" at [[Mount Gundabad]] in the north of the [[Misty Mountains]]. He later founded the line of the [['''Longbeards''']] (or ''Sigin-tarâg'' in Khuzdul), the Dwarves which were most friendly to the Elves and Men, mostly referred to as [[Durin's Folk]]. His city was [[Moria (Middle-earth)|Khazad-dûm]].

Two others were laid to rest near [[Mount Dolmed]] in the [[Ered Luin]] or ''Blue Mountains'', and they founded the lines of the [[''Broadbeams'']] and the [[''Firebeards'']] who later lived in [[Nogrod]] and [[Belegost]].

The other four Fathers of Dwarves were laid to rest in the far east, two of them at the northern end of the [[Orocarni]], and the other two near the southern end of the range. These founded the lines of the [[''Ironfists'']] and [[''Stiffbeards'']], and [[''Blacklocks'']] and [[''Stonefoots'']]. No Dwarves of these lines appear in the tales: however, as noted below, the Longbeards may be formed out of Dwarves from all lines, and Dwarves from Durin's Folk may therefore have ancestors from these other lines. After the end of the [[First Age]], when the ancestral homes of the Broadbeams and Firebeards were destroyed, these two lines merged with Durin's Folk, so that Moria had a mixed population, and [[Thorin Oakenshield]] grew up in the remnants of the Firebeards' halls.

Of the Fathers of the Dwarves, only Durin is said to have "lain alone". This can be interpreted as referring to the fact he was indeed laid down to rest alone while the other Fathers were laid to rest in pairs, but older versions of the story suggest that it meant Durin alone had no female companion. The other Fathers did: references are made by Tolkien to the "Thirteen Dwarves" created by Aulë (Durin and the six pairs). By this version of the story, Durin's Folk was formed out of Dwarves from the other six lines, as a mixed people arose when all Dwarves went to Gundabad.

[[Category:Dwarves]]

Fathers of the Dwarves

2005-09-04T13:17:28Z

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The Seven '''Fathers of the Dwarves''' were the first of their race.

It is told in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' that the [[Valar|Vala]] [[Aulë]] created the [[Dwarves]] because he was impatient for the arising of the Children of [[Ilúvatar]] ([[Elves]] and [[Men]]). He created seven Dwarves, and was teaching them the language he had devised for them ([[Khuzdul]]) when Ilúvatar confronted him. Aulë offered his creations to Ilúvatar, who accepted them and gave them life.

However, the Fathers of the Dwarves had to wait until the Elves first arrived, and Aulë laid them to rest in various places in the continent of Middle-earth.

The eldest of all, [[Durin I|Durin]], "lay alone" at [[Mount Gundabad]] in the north of the [[Misty Mountains]]. He later founded the line of the '''Longbeards''' (or ''Sigin-tarâg'' in Khuzdul), the Dwarves which were most friendly to the Elves and Men, mostly referred to as [[Durin's Folk]]. His city was [[Moria (Middle-earth)|Khazad-dûm]].

Two others were laid to rest near [[Mount Dolmed]] in the [[Ered Luin]] or ''Blue Mountains'', and they founded the lines of the ''Broadbeams'' and the ''Firebeards'' who later lived in [[Nogrod]] and [[Belegost]].

The other four Fathers of Dwarves were laid to rest in the far east, two of them at the northern end of the [[Orocarni]], and the other two near the southern end of the range. These founded the lines of the ''Ironfists'' and ''Stiffbeards'', and ''Blacklocks'' and ''Stonefoots''. No Dwarves of these lines appear in the tales: however, as noted below, the Longbeards may be formed out of Dwarves from all lines, and Dwarves from Durin's Folk may therefore have ancestors from these other lines. After the end of the [[First Age]], when the ancestral homes of the Broadbeams and Firebeards were destroyed, these two lines merged with Durin's Folk, so that Moria had a mixed population, and [[Thorin Oakenshield]] grew up in the remnants of the Firebeards' halls.

Of the Fathers of the Dwarves, only Durin is said to have "lain alone". This can be interpreted as referring to the fact he was indeed laid down to rest alone while the other Fathers were laid to rest in pairs, but older versions of the story suggest that it meant Durin alone had no female companion. The other Fathers did: references are made by Tolkien to the "Thirteen Dwarves" created by Aulë (Durin and the six pairs). By this version of the story, Durin's Folk was formed out of Dwarves from the other six lines, as a mixed people arose when all Dwarves went to Gundabad.

[[Category:Dwarves]]

Durin I

2005-09-04T13:15:20Z

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The eldest of the seven [[Fathers of the Dwarves]], the first of that race to be created by the [[Vala]] [[Aulë]]. He was set to sleep under the mountains of [[Middle-earth]] until after the awakening of the [[Elves]].

When he woke, he journeyed in the wilds until he came upon the [[Mirrormere]], the lake that the [[Dwarves]] call [[Kheled-zâram]]. Looking upon mysterious stars reflected in its surface, he took this as a sign, and there founded a great city tunnelled in the heart of the [[Misty Mountains]]. This was [[Khazad-dûm]], later called [[Moria]].

Durin lived to a great age even by the measure of the Dwarves, but though he was called [[the Deathless]], he was not immortal. He died some time before the end of the [[First Age]], but he founded the line of the Kings of [[Durin's Folk]] that extended down through the history of Middle-earth.

[[Category:Dwarves]]

The Deathless

2005-09-04T13:14:10Z

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A title given to [[Durin I]], eldest of the [[Fathers of the Dwarves]]. Though he lived to a very great age, Durin was not in fact deathless; he died some time during the [[First Age]].

[[Category:Dwarves]]

Aftercomers

2005-09-04T13:09:51Z

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The [[Elves]] called the race of [[Men]] in [[Quenya]] ''Hildor'', meaning "Aftercomers", for the [[Elves]] were the first born, and it was not until later that the [[Men]] came upon [[Middle-earth]]. The [[Men]] first awoke in the Land of the Hildor, meaning ''Hildórien'', in the eastern region of [[Middle-earth]]

[[Category:Men]][[Category:Names]]

Category:Names

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Here you will find nicknames/translations of names given to races by other races

Firstborn

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A name for [[Elves]], the Firstborn [[Children of Ilúvatar]], who awoke in [[Middle-earth]] millennia before [[Men]], the [[Aftercomers]].

[[Category:Elves]][[Category:Names]]

Elostirion

2005-09-04T12:58:30Z

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'''Elostirion''' is the tallest of the three towers that stood on the [[Tower Hills]]. It once held one of the [[palantír]]i of [[Arnor]].
[[Category:Locations]]

Déagol

2005-09-04T12:51:59Z

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'''Déagol''', was the [[Stoors|Stoor]] [[Hobbit]] who had found the [[One Ring]] while diving in the [[Gladden]] river (a [[tributary]] to the [[Anduin]]) with his [[cousin]] [[Sméagol]]. Sméagol (later known as [[Gollum]]) demanded the ring and murdered Déagol when he refused to give it to him.

Déagol is an [[Old English]] translation of the "original" [[Westron]] name '''Nahald'''. Both names carry the meaning "apt to hide, secretive".

In [[Peter Jackson]]'s movie ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (movie)|The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'', Déagol is played by [[New Zealand]] actor [[Thomas Robins]].
[[Category:Hobbits]]

Calenardhon

2005-09-04T12:49:52Z

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'''Calenardhon''' was the place which became [[Rohan]].

Calenardhon was a wide green landscape in the north of [[Gondor]], but it became depopulated during the [[Third Age]]. During the rule of the [[Steward of Gondor|Steward]] [[Cirion]] Gondor faced a series of attacks by the [[Balchoth]], and Calenardhon was overrun by these evil people. Cirion sent messages for help to Gondor's old allies, including the [[Éothéod]], to help defend Gondor.

[[Eorl the Young]] answered the call, and helped Gondor defeat the Balchoth at the [[Field of Celebrant]]. In gratitude, Cirion granted all Calenardhon, except for [[Anórien]], to the Éothéod.

After the Éothéod settled in Calenardhon, the land became known as [[Rohan]] or the Riddermark.
[[Category:Rohan]]

Éothéod

2005-09-04T12:46:15Z

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The '''Éothéod''' (horse-people, also horse-land) were a race of [[Northmen]] who were the ancestors of the [[Rohirrim]].

During the [[Third Age]], first mention of the Éothéod is when they migrated under their king Frumgar to the confined area between the rivers [[Langwell]] and [[Greylin]], sources of the Great River [[Anduin]], near where the [[Ered Mithrin]] met the [[Misty Mountains]]. They went that way after the fall of [[Angmar]], away from the ravages of the [[Easterlings]] and [[Orcs]].

Some time later their king Fram, son of Frumgar, slew the [[Dragons|dragon]] [[Scatha]]. The Éothéod capital was named ''Framsburg'' in his honour. Fram's son Léod was killed trying to tame the [[horse]] Felaróf, first of the ''Mearas'' of Rohan. His son [[Eorl the Young]] tamed the horse, taking it into service as compensation for his father's life.

During the rule of the ruling [[Stewards of Gondor|Steward of Gondor]] [[Cirion]], Gondor faced an attack by the evil ''[[Balchoth]]'', and Cirion sent messengers to the Éothéod capital. King Eorl answered the call for help, and rode out with most of the Éothéod to help their allies of old, leaving only a few warriors behind to protect his people. The Riders arrived just in time to help the army of Gondor at the [[Field of Celebrant]], and after defeating the enemy Cirion asked the Éothéod to watch over the depopulated province of [[Calenardhon]].

Three months later Cirion gave Calenardhon as a gift to Eorl and his people, and Eorl swore his [[Oath of Eorl|Oath]] of eternal friendship. Messengers were sent north, and the Éothéod completely removed to the plains of Calenardhon.

The Éothéod renamed themselves ''Eorlingas'' or "followers of Eorl", but in [[Sindarin]] they became known as the [[Rohirrim]], or ''Horse-lords'', and their country became known as [[Rohan]], the Riddermark.

The name Éothéod is a translation into Anglo-Saxon of the original [[Rohirric]] '''Lohtûr''', Rohirric "loho-" or "lô-" corresponding to the Anglo-Saxon "éo-", meaning "horse".

[[Category:Men]][[Category:Rohan]]

Éothéod

2005-09-04T12:45:27Z

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