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2015-03-08T09:47:28Z

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== why did you delete my post about translating? ==

recently i posted about some translating english to elvish, and you deleted that post. so rude {{unsigned|MrSkinny21}}

:Until Morgan answers, I'd like to inform you that your question was out of topic. The TG forum questions should be about the maintainance and improvement of TG, its policies and its articles, not random discussions about Tolkien. You should try with [[Elfling]] or other Tolkien forums. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 18:30, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

::Ditto!--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 19:53, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

:::And as someone who has, in the past, attempted to master some of the Elven tongues, let me just say: it's a fool's errand to translate things. You can exercise, and it's nice ''couleur locale'' for a fanfic, but there are too many problems. Tolkien changed his mind, and we simply don't know enough words to do it, and Tolkien changed his mind, or they're really reconstructions that don't account for irregularities, and did I mention Tolkien changed his mind? He did that a lot. Every Elvish translation site you see online uses a fanon reconstruction, and there are different versions at that (because have I mentioned Tolkien changed his mind?), especially concerning past tense and personal pronouns. Some are better than [[Grelvish|others]], but none of them are perfection, because perfect Elvish didn't even exist in Tolkien's mind. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:32, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

::::Also, I just want to point out that when creating Quenya, Sindarin, Khuzdul, etc. Tolkien tended to change his mind, a lot. :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 03:54, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

== World War I ==

Hello. You've deleted my emendation on the numbers of British casualties along with Rob Gilson, in the first day of the Somme battle. But if you look at the page 158 of Tolkien and the Great War, you'll see that the number of 360,000 casualties is impossible and it's more probably 36,000.
{{quote|Rob Gilson's division had lost most heavily of all on the first day of the Battle of the Somme, but along with the British front there had been 57,000 casualties: out of the 100,000 who entered No Man's Land, 20,000 had been killed and '''twice as many wounded'''.}}
So, nearly 40,000. This number is the same given in the table of the lost and wounded British on the [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataille_de_la_Somme#L.27.C3.A9chec_britannique_du_1er_juillet_1916|french Wikipedia] (sorry, I can't find an equivalent english table), with 35,493 casualties. The number of 360,000 is the number of total casualties for the whole Battle of the Somme. Maybe, a reformulation of the sentence can be useful, because it's a little vague. I'm not a English native speaker, and I understand this sentence like if the 360,000 casualties felt on this same day with Rob Gilson, but it's not the case. Thank you for your time. [[Special:Contributions/82.244.254.212|82.244.254.212]] 09:47, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

World War I

2015-03-07T18:54:09Z

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[[File:Tolkien 1916.jpg|right|thumb|Tolkien in 1916, wearing his British Army uniform.]]

<center>{{quote|Who battled have with bloody hands<br>Through evil times in barren lands,<br>To whom the voice of guns<br>Speaks and no longer stuns...|[[Geoffrey Bache Smith]], ''[[A Spring Harvest]]''}}</center>

[[J.R.R. Tolkien]] served in the British Army during '''World War I''' (or the "'''Great War'''"), most notably in the bloody [[Battle of the Somme]]. The earliest works of the [[Legendarium]]—collected in ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part One]]''—were began during the conflict. The extent to which the war and Tolkien's experience of it are reflected in his written work is a matter of much interest in Tolkien scholarship.

==Participants==
'''[[T.C.B.S.|Barrovians]]:'''
*[[J.R.R. Tolkien]]
*[[Christopher Wiseman]]
*[[Robert Gilson]]†<ref name="Garth"/>
*[[Geoffrey Bache Smith|G.B. Smith]]†<ref name="Garth"/>
*[[Thomas Kenneth Barnsley|T.K. Barnsley]]†<ref name="Garth"/>
*[[Ralph Payton]]†<ref name="Garth"/>

'''Others'''
* [[C.S. Lewis]]<ref>''[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0433436/ The Question of God: Sigmund Freud & C.S. Lewis]''</ref>
* [[Hilary Tolkien]]<ref name="Garth"/>
* [[Hugo Dyson]], wounded at [[wikipedia:Battle of Passchendaele|Passchendaele]]<ref>[[Colin Duriez]], ''[[Tolkien and The Lord of the Rings]]'', "People and Places in His Life"</ref>

==Timeline==
:'''See also ''[[wikipedia:Timeline_of_World_War_I|Timeline of World War I]]'' at Wikipedia'''
===1914===
* '''[[28 June|June 28]]''' - [[wikipedia:Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria|The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria]] in Sarajevo.<ref name="WP">[[wikipedia:World War I|World War I]] at [[wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia]]</ref>
* '''[[28 July|July 28]]''' - Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia. Russia mobilizes. The Great War begins.<ref name="WP"/>
* '''[[4 August|August 4]]''' - The British Empire declares war on Germany, following tension and conflict on the mainland in July.<ref name="WP"/>
* '''[[August]]''' - [[Hilary Tolkien]] joins the army as a bugler. [[Geoffrey Bache Smith]] and [[Robert Gilson]] join the army. [[Christopher Wiseman]] joins the navy instead. [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] plans to finish his education.<ref name="Garth">[[John Garth]], ''[[Tolkien and the Great War]]''</ref>
===1915===
* '''[[10 June|June 10]]''' - Exams start at Oxford University. Because of the war, only Tolkien and 24 others remain in the entire University. Tolkien passes.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[28 June|June 28]]''' - Tolkien applies at the Oxford recruiting office to join the army.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[15 July|July 15]]''' - Tolkien becomes a second lieutenant, and is appointed to the 13th Service Battalion of the Lancashire Fusilliers.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[25 September|September 25]]''' - The Big Four of the [[T.C.B.S.]] - Tolkien, Smith, Wiseman and Gilson - have their last meeting.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[21 November|November 21]]''' - G.B. Smith is shipped to France.<ref name="Garth"/>
===1916===
* '''[[2 January|January 2]]''' - Wiseman reports for duty at the [[wikipedia:HMS Superb (1907)|HMS Superb]] in [[wikipedia:Invergordon|Invergordon]].<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[8 January|January 8]]''' - Robert Gilson is promoted to Lieutenant and shipped to France.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[16 March|March 16]]''' - Tolkien receives his degree at the [[University of Oxford]].<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[22 March|March 22]]''' - Tolkien marries [[Edith Tolkien|Edith Bratt]].<ref name="Garth"/><ref name="Carpenter">[[Humphrey Carpenter]], ''[[J.R.R. Tolkien: A Biography]]''</ref>
* '''[[31 May|May 31]] - [[1 June|June 1]]''' - Christopher Wiseman fights in the [[wikipedia:Battle of Jutland|Battle of Jutland]].<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[2 June|June 2]]''' - Tolkien receives orders to report in Folkestone, and prepare for embarking.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[4 June|June 4]]''' - Tolkien is shipped to Étaples, France.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[27 June|June 27]]''' - Tolkien leaves Étaples, and goes to the Somme front.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[1 July|July 1]]''' - One of the bloodiest battles in recent history, the [[Battle of the Somme]], starts. Robert Gilson is one of the first of the 36,000 British casualties when he is hit by a shell at La Boiselle.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[14 July|July 14]]''' - Tolkien's C-company is sent into action at the Somme front. This is Tolkien's first 5-day front-line duty.<ref name="Gilbert">Martin Gilbert, ''[http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=716&pageid=23&pagename=Arts What Tolkien Taught Me about the Battle of the Somme]''</ref>
* '''[[22 July|July 22]]''' - [[Ralph Payton|Ralph "the Baby" Payton]], one of the T.C.B.S., is killed in the Battle of the Somme. His body is never identified.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[24 July|July 24]]''' - Tolkien's second five day front-line duty begins.<ref name="Gilbert"/>
* '''[[19 August|August 19]]''' - Tolkien and G.B. Smith meet at Acheux.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[26 October|October 26]]''' - While in reserve, Tolkien's battalion is inspected by [[wikipedia:Douglas Haig, 1st Earl Haig|Sir Doulgas Haig]], the British commander at the Battle of the Somme.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[27 October|October 27]]''' – J.R.R. Tolkien is struck by trench fever, which ends his contribution to the war after just 5 months.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[28 October|October 28]]''' – Tolkien is hospitalized.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[8 November|November 8]]''' - Tolkien is repatriated. He now stays at a hospital in [[Birmingham]].<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[18 November|November 18]]''' - The Battle of the Somme ends. Neither side wins. Tolkien is officially stricken off as a casualty by his Batallion.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[29 November|November 29]]''' - G.B. Smith is hit by shrapnel, and wounded on his right arm and thigh.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[3 December|December 3]]''' - G.B. Smith dies of gas-gangrene in his wounds. The news does not reach Tolkien until the 16th.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[16 December|December 16]] - [[25 December|25]]''' - Tolkien recovers, and he and Edith visit [[Great Haywood]].<ref name="Garth"/>

===1917===
* '''[[12 January|January 12]]''' - Tolkien's leave of absence (to recover from his trench fever) ends, but he is far from recovered.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[29 January|January 29]]''' - Tolkien faces a Medical Board in Birmingham, but he is not deemed fit to return to war.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[February]]''' - Tolkien faces his second Medical Board, but is again deemed unfit for duty.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[27 February|February 27]]''' - Tolkien faces his third Medical Board, and again his leave is extended.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[18 April|April 18]]''' - Tolkien and Wiseman, the Great Twin Brethren, meet in Harrogate, and discuss the fate of the [[T.C.B.S.|Barrovians]] and the future of the Society.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[19 April|April 19]]''' - Tolkien, in revalidation, is assigned to the Humber Garrison, but is not fit enough.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[1 June|June 1]]''' - Tolkien is considered fit for service again, but he is not reassigned to the Lancashire Fusilliers.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[29 June|June 29]]''' - J.R.R. Tolkien succumbs to gastritis while at Brocton Camp.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[1 August|August 1]]''' - [[Thomas Kenneth Barnsley|"Tea Cake" Barnsley]] is killed in Ypres.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[13 October|October 13]]'''- Tolkien is found unfit for duty for six months, but able to do a desk job.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[November]]''' – Tolkien moves into [[50 St. John's Street]].<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[16 November|November 16]]''' - The Tolkien's first son, [[John Tolkien|John]], is born.<ref name="Garth"/>

===1918===
* '''[[11 October|October 11]]''' - Tolkien is officially released from Brooklands Hospital, Birmingham.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[11 November|November 11]]''' - The War comes to an end in a cease-fire.<ref name="WP"/>
===1919===
* '''[[17 February|February 17]]''' - [[Hilary Tolkien]] returns home.<ref>[[Hilary Tolkien]], [[Angela Gardner]] (ed.), ''[[Black & White Ogre Country]]'', page 50</ref>
* '''[[28 June|June 28]]''' - The war officially ends, with the signing of the Treaty of Versailles.<ref name="WP"/>
* '''[[15 July|July 15]]''' - Tolkien is released from service.<ref name="Garth"/>
* '''[[16 July|July 16]]''' - Tolkien is officially demobilized.<ref name="Garth"/>

==External links==

*[http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/firstworldwar/people/p_tolkien_app.htm J.R.R. Tolkien's army commission application]
*[http://johngarth.wordpress.com/2014/07/29/why-world-war-one-is-at-the-heart-of-lord-of-the-rings/ Why World War One Is at the heart of Lord of the Rings] by [[John Garth]]
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The Book of Jonah

2014-12-09T22:12:50Z

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{{book
|title=The Book of Jonah
|image=[[Image:The Book of Jonah.jpg|225px]]
|author=[[J.R.R. Tolkien]]
|editor=Brendan Wolfe
|publisher=Darton, Longman & Todd
|date=(Unpublished)
|format=Hardcover
|pages=104<ref>[http://www.amazon.co.uk/Book-Jonah-J-R-R-Tolkien/dp/0232527679/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291671124&sr=1-1 The Book of Jonah] at [http://www.amazon.co.uk/ Amazon.co.uk] (accessed 6 December 2010)</ref>
|isbn=
}}
'''''The Book of Jonah''''' was a book intended to be published in [[2009]]. However, for unknown reasons the publication was cancelled (apparently due to a legal controversy).<ref>[[Jason Fisher]], "[http://lingwe.blogspot.com/2010/02/sometimes-whale-wins.html Sometimes the whale wins ...]" (10 February 2010) at [http://lingwe.blogspot.com/ Lingwë (blog)] (accessed 6 December 2010)</ref>

The book was intended to include a Foreword by Sir [[Anthony Kenny]].<ref>[[Jason Fisher]], "[http://lingwe.blogspot.com/2009/05/more-information-on-book-of-jonah.html More information on The Book of Jonah]" (20 May 2009) at [http://lingwe.blogspot.com/ Lingwë (blog)] (accessed 6 December 2010)</ref>
==From the publisher==

[A] beautiful new presentation of one of the best-loved Bible stories in a translation by J.R.R. Tolkien.

[Editor] Brendan Wolfe tells the little-known story of how Tolkien, then at the height of his fame as the author of ''The Lord of the Rings'', agreed to join the team of Catholic writers and scholars working on a major new translation of the Bible into English in the early 1960s. The result was the Jerusalem Bible, still celebrated for its elegant, timeless English. Wolfe shows the resonances between the story of Jonah and the whale, Tolkien's contribution to the JB, and themes in his other writings.

==Publication==

In [[October]] [[2014]], the original drafts of [[The Book of Jonah]] is published by [[The Journal of Inklings Studies]], with Brendan Wolfe articles on the history and features of the translation.<ref>[[Judith Wolfe]], "[http://judithwolfe.wp.st-andrews.ac.uk/tolkiens-jonah-text/ More information on The Book of Jonah]" (01 August 2014) at [http://judithwolfe.wp.st-andrews.ac.uk/ Judith Wolfe(blog)] (accessed 01 August 2014)</ref>

==See also==
*''[[The Jerusalem Bible]]''
*''[[Letter to Michael George Tolkien (24 April 1957)]]''
*''[[Journal of Inklings Studies (October 2014)]]''

==External links==
*{{WP|Book of Jonah}}
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