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Londë

2012-06-29T08:50:55Z

Amaniar:

'''Londë''' is [[Quenya]] for ''haven'', or ''harbor''.

==Examples==
* [[Alqualondë]] = "Swan haven"
* [[Eldalondë]] = "Elf Haven"

==Sea also==
* Sindarin ''[[lond]]''

{{references}}
* [[The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth]]
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[[Category:Quenya nouns]]

Third Age 2805

2012-05-11T19:47:52Z

Amaniar:

* [[Grór]] is died.<ref>{{App|A3}}</ref>

{{References}}

[[Category:Third Age years]]

House of Húrin

2011-08-29T21:57:38Z

Amaniar: /* The Family Tree of the House of Húrin */

{{disambig-more|Húrin|[[Húrin (disambiguation)]]}}
The '''House of Húrin''' were the descendants of [[Húrin of Emyn Arnen|Húrin]] of [[Emyn Arnen]], the [[Stewards|Steward]] to King [[Minardil]] of [[Gondor]]. Húrin and his House were noted as being of high [[Númenóreans|Númenórean]] blood, but they were not members of the [[Royal House of Gondor]] itself.<ref name="Stewards">{{App|Stewards}}</ref>

After Húrin's time it became traditional for the Steward to be chosen from among his descendants, and ultimately the post became hereditary. After the loss of [[Gondor]]'s last King, [[Eärnur]], the Stewards of the House of Húrin took up the rule of the [[South-kingdom]]. [[Denethor II|Denethor]], [[Boromir]] and [[Faramir]] were all descended from this House.<ref name="Stewards"/>
==The Family Tree of the House of Húrin ==
Showing the descendants of Húrin of Emyn Arnen: First the hereditary Stewards of the Kings of Gondor, then the Ruling Stewards, and lastly the Princes of Ithilien (who again served as Stewards to the restored line of Kings). All information in the tree is from Appendix A ("The Southern Line: Heirs of Anarion"<ref>{{App|South}}</ref> or "The Stewards"<ref name="Stewards"/>) or (mostly for dates of birth) ''The Peoples of Middle-earth'', "The Heirs of Elendil",<ref>{{PM|Elendil}}</ref> unless otherwise specified. The figures after the names are those of birth and death where recorded. A dagger symbol, '†' signifies those who did not die of old age. A name preceded by '*' indicates one of the Ruling Stewards; an ''italicized'' name denotes a [[Prince of Ithilien]]. A dashed line indicates marriage or a line of descent with some members missing.
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{{familytree |boxstyle=white-space:nowrap;background-color:#FFFFFF;|VOR|!| | | | |BRH|!|ORO| |MOR|!| | | | |TRG| | | | | | | |VOR=[[Vorondil]] the Hunter ''1919-2029''|BRH=* [[Barahir (Steward of Gondor)|Barahir]] ''2290-2412''|ORO=* [[Orodreth (Steward of Gondor)|Orodreth]] ''2576-2685''|MOR=[[Morwen (daughter of Belecthor)|Morwen]]<ref name="Efive">{{PM|Elendil}}, p. 205</ref>|TRG=* [[Turgon (Steward of Gondor)|Turgon]] ''2855-2953''}}
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{{familytree |boxstyle=white-space:;background-color:#FFFFFF;|MDV|!|DIO| |RIA|!|ECT| |UNC|!| | | | |ETL| | | | | | |MDV=* [[Mardil Voronwë]] ''1960-2080''|DIO=* [[Dior (Steward of Gondor)|Dior]] ''2328-2435'' Died childless|RIA=[[Rían (daughter of Steward Barahir)|Rían]]<ref name="Efour"/>|ECT=* [[Ecthelion I]] ''2600-2698'' Died childless|UNC=Unnamed child|ETL=* [[Ecthelion II]] ''2886-2984''}}
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{{familytree |boxstyle=white-space:;background-color:#FFFFFF;|ERA|!| | | | |DEN|!| | | | |EGA|!|DTS| |DNT|y|FIN| | |ERA=* [[Eradan]] ''1999-2116''|DEN=* [[Denethor I]] ''2375-2477''|EGA=* [[Egalmoth (Steward of Gondor)|Egalmoth]] ''2626-2743''|DTS=Two daughters<ref>{{PM|Elendil}}, p. 206</ref>|DNT=* [[Denethor II]] ''2930-3019'' † <ref group="note">Denethor II slew himself during the [[Battle of Pelennor Fields]].</ref>|FIN=[[Finduilas (wife of Denethor)|Finduilas]] ''2950-2987'' † <ref group="note">Finduilas withered in the guarded city and died young.</ref>}}
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{{familytree |boxstyle=white-space:nowrap;background-color:#FFFFFF;|HRN|!| | | | |HLS|!| | | | |BTH|!| | | | | | | | |BRR| | |HRN=* [[Húrin I]] ''2124-2244''|HLS=* [[Hallas]] ''2480-2605''|BTH=* [[Belecthor II]] ''2752-2872''|BRR=''[[Barahir (grandson of Faramir)|Barahir]]''<ref>{{FR|Records}}</ref> <ref group="note">It is not certain that Barahir was the son of Elboron.</ref>}}
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Category:Rulers of Arnor

2011-08-27T20:00:37Z

Amaniar:

This category contains articles on the Rulers of Arnor:

1. [[Elendil]] 
2. [[Isildur]] 
3. [[Valandil (King of Arnor)|Valandil]] 
4. [[Eldacar (King of Arnor)|Eldacar]] 
5. [[Arantar]] 
6. [[Tarcil]] 
7. [[Tarondor (King of Arnor)|Tarondor]] 
8. [[Valandur]] 
9. [[Elendur (King of Arnor)|Elendur]] 
10. [[Eärendur (King of Arnor)|Eärendur]] 

After Eärendur the [[Arnor|North-kingdom]] was divided in three parts, [[Arthedain]], [[Rhudaur]] and [[Cardolan]]. Only the [[Rulers of Arthedain]] and later the [[Chieftains of the Dúnedain]] maintained the line of Isildur.
[[Category:Dúnedain of the North]]
[[Category:Men]]
[[Category:Rulers of Middle-earth]]

Angren

2011-08-12T17:02:37Z

Amaniar: /* Examples */

{{disambig-two|Sindarin word of Angren|River of Angren|[[Isen]]}}
'''''angren''''' (pl. ''engrin'') is a [[Sindarin]] word meaning "of iron". The [[Quenya]] cognate is ''[[angaina]]''.<ref name=Ety>{{LR|Etymologies}}, pp. 348</ref>
==Etymology==
''angren'', related to Sindarin ''[[ang]]'' ("iron"), derived from the [[Elvish]] [[Sundocarme|root]] [[ANGA|ANGĀ]].<ref name=Ety/> It is possible that the full [[Old Sindarin]] word is ''angrina'' (unattested).

The obsolete, variant or misspelt plural form ''engren'' appears in a typescript.<ref>{{VT|42a}}, p. 7</ref>

==Examples==
* [[Isengard|Angrenost]]
* [[Carach Angren]]
* [[Ethraid Engrin]]
* [[Sîr Angren]]
* [[Ered Engrin]]

{{references}}
[[Category:Sindarin adjectives]]
[[Category:Sindarin Locations]]

First Age 5

2011-08-08T15:15:24Z

Amaniar:

* [[Fingon]] rescues [[Maedhros]] from [[Thangorodrim]].
* [[Fingolfin]] becomes High King of the [[Noldor]].

[[Category:First Age years|First Age 005]]

User talk:Amaniar

2011-08-05T20:16:53Z

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==Hello!==
Welcome to TG, Amaniar! Don't hesitate to join our [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings|meetings]], and feel free to drop me a line if you have any questions.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:08, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanx, Morgan. I'm not a Rookie. I translate about 700 articles about Tolkien's works. u can see it in [http://wiki.valimar.ir/index.php?title=%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%D9%94_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C Valimar] website, if you know Farsi language. So, i'll be so glad if u help me to complete and raise the quality of this websites articles. [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 12:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

::Unfortunately I'm not familiar with Farsi. Looking at the Valimar website, I have to say that Farsi script is very beautiful, in my opinion resembling "Elvish" writing.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:25, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanx my friend. yes, you're right. Persia or Iran have a Great and Ancient lore and culture just like Elves. I have to say the Valimar website is the greatest tolkienist website in Iran and I'm one of it's Moderators. [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 12:30, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

:::Welcome, Amaniar! I hope you'll enjoy your time here.
:::I'm don't know much about the Farsi language or Persian lore/culture too, but I've too say it looks good. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 12:37, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

:Welcome Amaniar! It is always a pleasure to see Tolkien encyclopedias being brought to other languages. I don't know if you are familiar with interwiki links, but I have setup Valimar as a sister-site of TG which allows links to be placed to Valimar at the bottom of articles you have translated. For example on our [[Main Page]] I placed the following text "<nowiki>[[fa:صفحهٔ_اصلی]]</nowiki>" and now Valimar appears on the menu on the left. You're welcome to setup reciprocal links to Tolkien Gateway on your site if you like. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello Dear Hyarion. it's my honor that our website became sister site of Great TG. We try to raise the quality of articles. Best Regards. [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 17:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

== Time of Meeting ==

The meeting time is at 7pm GMT and you can find the most common times [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/5 June 2011|here]]. Are you in Iran? If so, the time for you will be 11.30pm (+3.30 hours ahead + 1 hour of summer time). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:53, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

thanx [[User:Amaniar|''' Amaniar ''']][[User talk:Amaniar| ''Talk'' ]][[Special:Contributions/Amaniar| ''Contribs'' ]][[Special:Editcount/Amaniar| ''Edits'' ]] 20:16, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Amaniar

2011-08-05T20:01:07Z

Amaniar: /* Time of Meeting */

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==Hello!==
Welcome to TG, Amaniar! Don't hesitate to join our [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings|meetings]], and feel free to drop me a line if you have any questions.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:08, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanx, Morgan. I'm not a Rookie. I translate about 700 articles about Tolkien's works. u can see it in [http://wiki.valimar.ir/index.php?title=%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%D9%94_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C Valimar] website, if you know Farsi language. So, i'll be so glad if u help me to complete and raise the quality of this websites articles. [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 12:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

::Unfortunately I'm not familiar with Farsi. Looking at the Valimar website, I have to say that Farsi script is very beautiful, in my opinion resembling "Elvish" writing.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:25, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanx my friend. yes, you're right. Persia or Iran have a Great and Ancient lore and culture just like Elves. I have to say the Valimar website is the greatest tolkienist website in Iran and I'm one of it's Moderators. [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 12:30, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

:::Welcome, Amaniar! I hope you'll enjoy your time here.
:::I'm don't know much about the Farsi language or Persian lore/culture too, but I've too say it looks good. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 12:37, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

:Welcome Amaniar! It is always a pleasure to see Tolkien encyclopedias being brought to other languages. I don't know if you are familiar with interwiki links, but I have setup Valimar as a sister-site of TG which allows links to be placed to Valimar at the bottom of articles you have translated. For example on our [[Main Page]] I placed the following text "<nowiki>[[fa:صفحهٔ_اصلی]]</nowiki>" and now Valimar appears on the menu on the left. You're welcome to setup reciprocal links to Tolkien Gateway on your site if you like. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello Dear Hyarion. it's my honor that our website became sister site of Great TG. We try to raise the quality of articles. Best Regards. [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 17:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

== Time of Meeting ==

The meeting time is at 7pm GMT and you can find the most common times [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/5 June 2011|here]]. Are you in Iran? If so, the time for you will be 11.30pm (+3.30 hours ahead + 1 hour of summer time). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:53, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

[[User:Amaniar|''' Amaniar ''']][[User talk:Amaniar| ''Talk'' ]][[Special:Contributions/Amaniar| ''Contribs'' ]][[Special:Editcount/Amaniar| ''Edits'' ]] 20:01, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Amaniar

2011-08-05T19:55:59Z

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User talk:Amaniar

2011-08-05T19:55:29Z

Amaniar: /* Time of Meeting */

User talk:Amaniar

2011-08-05T19:54:58Z

Amaniar: /* Time of Meeting */

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==Hello!==
Welcome to TG, Amaniar! Don't hesitate to join our [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings|meetings]], and feel free to drop me a line if you have any questions.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:08, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanx, Morgan. I'm not a Rookie. I translate about 700 articles about Tolkien's works. u can see it in [http://wiki.valimar.ir/index.php?title=%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%D9%94_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C Valimar] website, if you know Farsi language. So, i'll be so glad if u help me to complete and raise the quality of this websites articles. [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 12:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

::Unfortunately I'm not familiar with Farsi. Looking at the Valimar website, I have to say that Farsi script is very beautiful, in my opinion resembling "Elvish" writing.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:25, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanx my friend. yes, you're right. Persia or Iran have a Great and Ancient lore and culture just like Elves. I have to say the Valimar website is the greatest tolkienist website in Iran and I'm one of it's Moderators. [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 12:30, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

:::Welcome, Amaniar! I hope you'll enjoy your time here.
:::I'm don't know much about the Farsi language or Persian lore/culture too, but I've too say it looks good. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 12:37, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

:Welcome Amaniar! It is always a pleasure to see Tolkien encyclopedias being brought to other languages. I don't know if you are familiar with interwiki links, but I have setup Valimar as a sister-site of TG which allows links to be placed to Valimar at the bottom of articles you have translated. For example on our [[Main Page]] I placed the following text "<nowiki>[[fa:صفحهٔ_اصلی]]</nowiki>" and now Valimar appears on the menu on the left. You're welcome to setup reciprocal links to Tolkien Gateway on your site if you like. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello Dear Hyarion. it's my honor that our website became sister site of Great TG. We try to raise the quality of articles. Best Regards. [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 17:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

== Time of Meeting ==

The meeting time is at 7pm GMT and you can find the most common times [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/5 June 2011|here]]. Are you in Iran? If so, the time for you will be 11.30pm (+3.30 hours ahead + 1 hour of summer time). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:53, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

--{{User:Amaniar/sig}} Amaniar 19:54, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Amaniar

2011-08-05T19:53:40Z

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User talk:Amaniar

2011-08-05T19:53:13Z

Amaniar: /* Time of Meeting */

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==Hello!==
Welcome to TG, Amaniar! Don't hesitate to join our [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings|meetings]], and feel free to drop me a line if you have any questions.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:08, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanx, Morgan. I'm not a Rookie. I translate about 700 articles about Tolkien's works. u can see it in [http://wiki.valimar.ir/index.php?title=%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%D9%94_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C Valimar] website, if you know Farsi language. So, i'll be so glad if u help me to complete and raise the quality of this websites articles. [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 12:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

::Unfortunately I'm not familiar with Farsi. Looking at the Valimar website, I have to say that Farsi script is very beautiful, in my opinion resembling "Elvish" writing.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:25, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanx my friend. yes, you're right. Persia or Iran have a Great and Ancient lore and culture just like Elves. I have to say the Valimar website is the greatest tolkienist website in Iran and I'm one of it's Moderators. [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 12:30, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

:::Welcome, Amaniar! I hope you'll enjoy your time here.
:::I'm don't know much about the Farsi language or Persian lore/culture too, but I've too say it looks good. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 12:37, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

:Welcome Amaniar! It is always a pleasure to see Tolkien encyclopedias being brought to other languages. I don't know if you are familiar with interwiki links, but I have setup Valimar as a sister-site of TG which allows links to be placed to Valimar at the bottom of articles you have translated. For example on our [[Main Page]] I placed the following text "<nowiki>[[fa:صفحهٔ_اصلی]]</nowiki>" and now Valimar appears on the menu on the left. You're welcome to setup reciprocal links to Tolkien Gateway on your site if you like. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Hello Dear Hyarion. it's my honor that our website became sister site of Great TG. We try to raise the quality of articles. Best Regards. [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 17:14, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

== Time of Meeting ==

The meeting time is at 7pm GMT and you can find the most common times [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/5 June 2011|here]]. Are you in Iran? If so, the time for you will be 11.30pm (+3.30 hours ahead + 1 hour of summer time). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:53, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

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User talk:KingAragorn/2012

2011-08-05T19:50:53Z

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== Facebook extension ==

You say it could also provide a way for new users to join, but how many contributors or potential contributors are actually on facebook? --[[User:Myrtone|Myrtone]] 00:35, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

:Well, Facebook has over 500 Million members so it has plenty of potential new users, as [[Tolkien Gateway:Membership Growth|you can see]] our current membership could do with a boost.. Current contributors or people without Facebook won't be disadvantaged in any way by this; it's one of many ways in which we can draw in new blood. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 11:48, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

::Yes but not all of these people would be potential contributors. Current contributors of course will not be disadvantaged in any way, but how many of the potential contributors on Facebook also have OpenIDs. The facebook platform makes the wiki more social in a way that is not always desirable. For example is [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Facebook#User_Rights_from_Facebook_Group this] what we want? Best to install OpenID first and see how effective that is. --[[User:Myrtone|Myrtone]] 12:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


:::We can discuss this at the next meeting. Are you going to attend? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 13:20, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

::::Not me but whoever does can discuss it. --[[User:Myrtone|Myrtone]] 14:15, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

:::::Are you sure? Anyone can attend [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/6 February 2011|the meeting]], it's held in our [http://wbe02.mibbit.com/?server=irc.tolkiengateway.net&channel=%23TolkienGateway%2C%23Wiki IRC channel]. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 14:23, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

==Proper Referencing for ''The Annotated Hobbit''==
I haven't seen a reference template for ''The Annotated Hobbit'' and I have two questions:

* Should this version be referenced rather than the original story in any Tolkien Gateway article?
* If citing it is OK, is this the proper form?

[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Douglas A. Anderson]] (ed.), ''[[The Annotated Hobbit]]'', "Introduction"

Is the "(ed.)" proper since he is the annotator rather than an editor?

Gamling 23:27, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

:Yes, I think we need more reference templates. We definitely need a template each for ''The Annotated Hobbit'' and ''The History of The Hobbit''. I think if there's something in ''The Annotated Hobbit'' which is unique to that then it should be referenced, otherwise the original edition should be referenced. To my knowledge I'd say your example is correct and "(ed.)" is appropriate. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:34, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

::[[Template:HM]] (at the bottom), <nowiki>{{HM|AH}}</nowiki> for ''The Annotated Hobbit''. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:37, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

==Portal Books==
Hello KA! I noticed that we use History of The Hobbit as Featured Book on the [[Portal:Books]]. Can I just change the text on the Portal page? Or is the width of the "box" surrounding the Featured Book adjusted to fit the text that is currently used? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 10:14, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

:Oh absolutely, go ahead and change the text. I think I was just being lazy and copied the text from the article rather than writing anything original for the portal! :D --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 11:09, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

== Namespace for English-Invented Lang wordlist ==

The namespace "Dictionary:X" seems to create an inter-wiki link, like "Wikipedia:X" or "Wiktionary:X". How do we deal with this? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 19:26, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

:It looks like a default interwiki link. We'll have to ask Mith or Hyarion to remove it. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 20:01, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

== How to find the new Index articles ==

Hello again! How do we make it easy to find the new index articles? For example, before, I could search for "Fauna" and then "Fauna of Arda" would be the top choice. However, now I don't even find Index:Fauna of Arda listed among the search results... --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 20:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

:A very good point! I think, again, only Mith or Hyarion could do anything about it. They need to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault change the default namespaces that are searched] to include the new namespaces like Index. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 20:29, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

== Locations categories ==

I think in removing Category:Lothlórien, Category:Doriath and Category:Towers we may have been a little hasty. They ''keep'' re-popping up in Wanted Categories which makes me think they're useful enough to have kept - what do you reckon? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:14, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

:Done. The category structure is quite flexible for alterations; in fact, in creating Category:Lothlórien, Category:Doriath and Category:Towers, I have found that further diffusion of categories would be more than worth it. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 14:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

::Goodo and thanks; I'll take a look later to see what else could be created. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:52, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

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:Using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) should parse your signature and a timestamp. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:54, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I try this {{User:Amaniar/sig}} [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 19:48, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
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== Facebook extension ==

You say it could also provide a way for new users to join, but how many contributors or potential contributors are actually on facebook? --[[User:Myrtone|Myrtone]] 00:35, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

:Well, Facebook has over 500 Million members so it has plenty of potential new users, as [[Tolkien Gateway:Membership Growth|you can see]] our current membership could do with a boost.. Current contributors or people without Facebook won't be disadvantaged in any way by this; it's one of many ways in which we can draw in new blood. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 11:48, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

::Yes but not all of these people would be potential contributors. Current contributors of course will not be disadvantaged in any way, but how many of the potential contributors on Facebook also have OpenIDs. The facebook platform makes the wiki more social in a way that is not always desirable. For example is [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Facebook#User_Rights_from_Facebook_Group this] what we want? Best to install OpenID first and see how effective that is. --[[User:Myrtone|Myrtone]] 12:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


:::We can discuss this at the next meeting. Are you going to attend? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 13:20, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

::::Not me but whoever does can discuss it. --[[User:Myrtone|Myrtone]] 14:15, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

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==Proper Referencing for ''The Annotated Hobbit''==
I haven't seen a reference template for ''The Annotated Hobbit'' and I have two questions:

* Should this version be referenced rather than the original story in any Tolkien Gateway article?
* If citing it is OK, is this the proper form?

[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Douglas A. Anderson]] (ed.), ''[[The Annotated Hobbit]]'', "Introduction"

Is the "(ed.)" proper since he is the annotator rather than an editor?

Gamling 23:27, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

:Yes, I think we need more reference templates. We definitely need a template each for ''The Annotated Hobbit'' and ''The History of The Hobbit''. I think if there's something in ''The Annotated Hobbit'' which is unique to that then it should be referenced, otherwise the original edition should be referenced. To my knowledge I'd say your example is correct and "(ed.)" is appropriate. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:34, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

::[[Template:HM]] (at the bottom), <nowiki>{{HM|AH}}</nowiki> for ''The Annotated Hobbit''. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:37, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

==Portal Books==
Hello KA! I noticed that we use History of The Hobbit as Featured Book on the [[Portal:Books]]. Can I just change the text on the Portal page? Or is the width of the "box" surrounding the Featured Book adjusted to fit the text that is currently used? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 10:14, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

:Oh absolutely, go ahead and change the text. I think I was just being lazy and copied the text from the article rather than writing anything original for the portal! :D --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 11:09, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

== Namespace for English-Invented Lang wordlist ==

The namespace "Dictionary:X" seems to create an inter-wiki link, like "Wikipedia:X" or "Wiktionary:X". How do we deal with this? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 19:26, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

:It looks like a default interwiki link. We'll have to ask Mith or Hyarion to remove it. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 20:01, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

== How to find the new Index articles ==

Hello again! How do we make it easy to find the new index articles? For example, before, I could search for "Fauna" and then "Fauna of Arda" would be the top choice. However, now I don't even find Index:Fauna of Arda listed among the search results... --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 20:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

:A very good point! I think, again, only Mith or Hyarion could do anything about it. They need to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgNamespacesToBeSearchedDefault change the default namespaces that are searched] to include the new namespaces like Index. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 20:29, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

== Locations categories ==

I think in removing Category:Lothlórien, Category:Doriath and Category:Towers we may have been a little hasty. They ''keep'' re-popping up in Wanted Categories which makes me think they're useful enough to have kept - what do you reckon? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:14, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

:Done. The category structure is quite flexible for alterations; in fact, in creating Category:Lothlórien, Category:Doriath and Category:Towers, I have found that further diffusion of categories would be more than worth it. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 14:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

::Goodo and thanks; I'll take a look later to see what else could be created. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:52, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

== about signature ==

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Belecthor II

2011-07-28T20:32:57Z

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{{disambig-two|the twenty-first Ruling Steward of Gondor|the fifteenth Steward|[[Belecthor I]]}}
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| image=
| name=Belecthor II
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| position=
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| affiliation=
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| birth={{TA|2752}}
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| death={{TA|2872}}
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| age=120
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| parentage=[[Beregond (Steward of Gondor)|Beregond]]
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}}'''Belecthor II''' ([[Third Age]] 2752<ref name="Elendil"/> – 2872,<ref name="South">{{App|South}}</ref> aged 120 years)was the twenty-first Ruling Steward of [[Gondor]]. He succeeded his father [[Beregond (Steward of Gondor)|Beregond]] at his death in {{TA|2811}}.

==History==
Belecthor was the last of his line to pass the age of 100. Upon his death [[White Tree of Gondor]] also died, but was left standing "until the King comes".<ref>{{PM|Elendil}}, p. 206</ref>

Belecthor was followed by his son [[Thorondir]] at his death in 2872.<ref name="South"/>

==Other versions of the legendarium==
Belecthor's date of death was recorded in [[Appendix A]] and "[[The Heirs of Elendil]]" as [[Third Age 2872]], but in [[Appendix B]] as [[Third Age 2852]]. Since the [[The Lord of the Rings (50th Anniversary Edition)|50th Anniversary Edition]] of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' this has been corrected so all dates now show [[Third Age 2872]].<ref name="RC">[[Wayne G. Hammond]] and [[Christina Scull]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion]]'', "Appendix A", p. 715</ref>

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Thorondir

2011-07-28T20:19:40Z

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}}'''Thorondir''' ([[Third Age]] 2782<ref>{{PM|Elendil}}, p. 206</ref> – 2882,<ref name="South">{{App|South}}</ref> aged 100 years) was the twenty-second [[Ruling Steward]] of [[Gondor]].

==History==
Thorondir was born when his father, [[Belecthor II]], was 30 years old. Belecthor II lived until {{TA|2872}}<ref name="South"/> so when his son succeeded him Thorondir was already 90 years old. Thorondir's stewardship was short; he ruled for only ten years. He was succeeded by his son, who ruled as [[Túrin II]].

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Túrin II

2011-07-28T19:54:24Z

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{{disambig-more|Túrin|[[Túrin (disambiguation)]]}}
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}}'''Túrin II''' ([[Third Age]] 2815<ref name="Elendil">{{PM|Elendil}}</ref> – 2914,<ref name="South">{{App|South}}</ref> aged 99 years) was the twenty-third [[Ruling Steward]] of [[Gondor]].
==History==
Túrin succeeded his father [[Thorondir]] at his death in Third Age 2882.<ref name="South"/> [[Ithilien]] was attacked again by [[Mordor]] during his reign, and Gondor withdrew completely from the province. Only a few [[Rangers of Ithilien|rangers]] remained behind, hidden in the wilderness. It was Túrin who built secret refuges for his soldiers in Ithilien, of which [[Henneth Annûn]] was the longest guarded and manned. He also fortified the isle of [[Cair Andros]] to defend [[Anórien]].<ref name="Elendil"/>

In {{TA|2885}}, when Ithilien was invaded in great strength, King [[Folcwine]] of [[Rohan]] fulfilled the [[Oath of Eorl]] and sent many men to Gondor. With their aid Túrin won a victory at the crossings of [[Poros]], though the princes [[Fastred (son of Folcwine)|Fastred]] and [[Folcred]] were slain.<ref>{{App|TA}}</ref>

Túrin was followed by his son [[Turgon (Steward of Gondor)|Turgon]] at his death in 2914.<ref name="South"/>

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Túrin (disambiguation)

2011-07-28T19:53:19Z

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'''Túrin''' means "he who desires mastery" in [[Sindarin]] (from ''[[tûr]]'', "mastery" or "lord" and ''[[ind]]'', "mood, desire, heart") and can refer to:
==Middle-earth==
* '''[[Túrin|Túrin Turambar]] ({{FA|464}} - [[First Age 499|499]]), the tragic hero of the [[First Age]] who is the main protagonist of ''[[The Children of Húrin]]''.'''
* [[Túrin I]] ({{TA|2165}} - [[Third Age 2278|2278]]), sixth [[Ruling Steward]] of [[Gondor]] who ruled during the [[Watchful Peace]].
* [[Túrin II]] ({{TA|2815}} - [[Third Age 2914|2914]]), twenty-third [[Ruling Steward]] of [[Gondor]] whose reign marked the loss of [[Ithilien]].

==Fandom==
* ''[[Turin (smial)]]'', a smial of [[The Tolkien Society]] based in [[wikipedia:Turin|Turin]].
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Turgon (Steward of Gondor)

2011-07-26T19:44:20Z

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'''Turgon''' ([[Third Age]] 2855<ref>{{PM|Elendil}}, p. 206</ref> – 2953,<ref>{{App|South}}</ref> aged 98 years) was the twenty-fourth [[Ruling Steward]] of [[Gondor]].

==History==
Near the end of Turgon's rule, in {{TA|2951}}, [[Sauron]] declared himself openly in [[Mordor]], gathered his power there, and began rebuilding [[Barad-dûr]].<ref>{{App|TA}}</ref>

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Turgon (Steward of Gondor)

2011-07-26T19:43:53Z

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== valimar ==

Hi Hyarion, I'm one of the Founders & Bureaucrats of [http://wiki.valimar.ir/index.php?title=%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%D9%94_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C valimar] (and also one of [http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:PHoBiA the admins] in [http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%D9%94_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C Persian Wikipedia]). I'm glad that you setup us as your sister-site. I'll setup reciprocal links to TG articles as soon as possible. Best Regards -- [[User:PHoBiA|PHoBiA]] 19:41, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
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== Missing Gandalf edit in recent changes ==

The database seems to have behaved strangely when I edited [[Gandalf]]. I removed the occurrences of the word "human" from the article, and couldn't load the page. However, looking in the article history, my edit is there, but it doesn't appear in "Recent changes". And strangely enough, a search for "human" on TG still yields the article "Gandalf", although the word "human" cannot be found (any longer) in the article. Maybe the issue will disappear once the database reloads or refreshes! :-) --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:11, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

::While you're at it, another strange page is the [[Portal:Locations/Category Tree]]. This page, which has been changed to a redirect, still seems to carry an imprint in the database somehow. E.g., searching on "human" on TG makes "Portal:Locations/Category Tree" show up. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

== what is a Tolkien Mile ? ==

It seems to me that there is something wrong with using a standard (english) mile for Tolkiens Maps. The result is a Middle Earth which is too small. Tolkien used a lot of History and Myth from other parts of Northern Europe. Could Tolkiens Mile actually be the 'Irish' mile which was used by the English in Ireland for centuries. I will get more detail if needed but I think 1 'irish' mile is equal to 1.27 'english' miles. If this were the case Middle Earth would be 27% greater in size which would be an improvement as there are a number of references to distance which only make sense if the 'english' mile is increased substantially. The 'swedish' mile is equal to 6 'english' miles which is too big. {{unsigned|Nuadamor}} (00:01, 22 May 2011).

:If I remember correctly he used a fictional mile, the Númenorean mile. I don't remember how big that is (but I think it was, the Númenorean feet at least was), but I think it can be found at [[Unfinished Tales]]. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 14:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

::At Oxonmoot some years ago [[Alex Lewis]] actually gave a talk saying he thought that the scale of the maps was incorrect (sadly, I can't remember by how much, or indeed, in which direction). The Númenóreans had the ''[[lár]]'' which was very slightly shorter than our league (three miles); there is no indication that Tolkien intended to use anything other than the English statute mile (defined in law since 1592) in the maps.

::(I should point out, there is the "Old English mile" which was variously longer than the statute mile - about 1.3 statute miles - but why would Tolkien logically use a different measure?) --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

:::Tolkien’s discussion of the [[Lár|Númenórean league]] refered to by Amroth can be found in the appendix ‘Númenórean linear measures’ in {{UT|Gladden}} - it is 5000 [[ranga]]r of about 38 (imperial) inches, and therefor nearly equal to one statute league of 5280 yards (= three statute miles). It seems this can be taken as evidence that, certainly around the time of the revision of [[The Lord of the Rings]], Tolkien was regarding distances in his [[legendarium]] as described (approximately) in statute leagues and miles.
:::However, in {{HM|RC}}, (on pp. 22-23 in the 2005 hardbound edition), Tolkien’s notes on two attempts at devising a Hobbit system of linear measures can be found. In one of these attempts he arrives as longest measure at a ‘long mile, or gait mile’, or ‘yong-mile or longmile’ of 2,304 imperial yards. That is certainly very nearly equal to 1.3 statute miles, and so these attempts may be related to the ‘Old English mile’ mentioned by Mith. (There is also a ‘(short) mile, or pace-mile’ of half this length, 1,152 imperial yards.)
:::But in the other attempt he arrives at a different type of mile, namely one of 1,600 imperial yards, thus being somewhat shorter than the statute mile. And it is only in this attempt that the term ‘league’ is mentioned as containing 3 of these miles. That is in my opinion an obstacle to any supposition that a ‘long’ or ‘Old English’ mile could have been intended in the text of The Lord of the Rings. In fact, all linear measures used in that work are such as were in normal use in the imperial system when Tolkien grew up: inch, foot, ell, fathom, furlong, mile and league; and of these only foot, mile and league turn up in his attempts at a Hobbit system of measures.
:::And finally, I have never found any reason to consider Tolkien’s Middle-earth as mapped too small. I would be interested in knowing why [[Alex Lewis]] thinks so (or at least thought so a couple of years ago). In fact had Mith said so a week earlier, I would have asked Alex, since I had ample opportunity to discuss it with him over the last weekend. — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 04:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

::::I would have been unable to posts that had not yet been made! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

:::::Well, of course! I was trying to imply that I wished Nuadamor had posed his question earlier, and you had then replied as promptly as you in fact did, but I got a bit convoluted and cut too much from my sentence. — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 04:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

== TG is a thoroughly enjoyable read! ==

Hyarion, just wanted to say that this is an excellent Tolkien site and it has been a pleasure to read some of the articles I have come across so far. I can see that a great deal of time and effort has gone into making the site what it is today, a professional-looking, informative and well-built engine of encyclopaedic Tolkien knowledge. I have even been inspired for my own wiki (not Tolkien related) by the way articles and templates have been put together. The skin is amazing too; wish I had something unique instead of the plain vector skin.

Do keep up the good work. [[User:Kerchi|Kerchi]] 10:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

:Hi Kerchi, thanks so much for your compliments! It's in feedback like yours which makes it all worth it. We look forward to seeing you around. If you have any questions or suggestions feel free to let me know. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
::You're welcome. I can see that quality has been an important driving force for those who have put this site together and believe me I know how difficult it can be what with running my own wiki, so I intend to keep having a look around and read a few more articles. --[[User:Kerchi|'''Kerchi''']]  [[User talk:Kerchi|'''talk''']] | [[Special:Contributions/Kerchi|'''contribs''']] | [[Special:Editcount/Kerchi/Edits|'''edits''']] 22:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

== Dictionary-style searches ==

Being able to search for the English translation of a specific Elvish word (or in any other invented language) would be very useful! Would it be difficult to implement something like this?

To exemplify: let's say I wanted to know if Tolkien invented some word for "alphabet". I just type "alphabet" in a search box, which would take me to a "disambig" article suggesting me to read either an article on Noldorin ''tiwdi'' or on Quenya ''tengwanda''.

Perhaps we can implement this in the current "disambiguation" system (but we would get a huge amount of disambig articles, though!)?

--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 11:40, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

:Sounds like a good idea. Maybe it should get an own namespace, so there won't be too much disambigs. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 11:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

::Maybe something to discuss in a meeting?--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

::This could be a nice basis for a Portal:Languages, don't you think?

::I'm also thinking that if we add an alphabetically-based category to all invented words, we would have both an English-Elvish(et al) and an Elvish(et al)-English list of words. Another solution could perhaps be to have a certain namespace, like "Dictionary Index:A", "Dictionary Index:B", etc, as a complement to the current Index namespace.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

:::Noting old discussion: [[Forum:Elvish-English and English-Elvish entries]] --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== Start article name with lower-case letters? ==

Would it be possible to do a tech tweak in order to create article names with lower-case letters? IMHO, this would be great for the linguistic articles on words - a standard which also Wiktionary uses. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 09:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

:All articles have to begin with a capital letter (that's a technical limitation which can't be changed). You can use DISPLAYTITLE in order to make it appear as if they begin with a lower-case letter, however (see this working in [[TG:Sandbox]] right now). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

::Thanks, I'll bring it up at the meeting, to see if it's a good idea or not.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 11:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

:::I tried the code DISPLAYTITLE in the article [[brand (word)]], and I noticed that you can also remove the bracketed word - is this preferable or not? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 22:51, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== Long articles ==

What is causing the problem with the "long" articles? It's impossible for me to save an edit on "Eriador". However, another long article, "J.R.R. Tolkien", causes no problems.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 09:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

== Adding to List of Arda Encyclopedia ==

Hi Hyarion. I'm one of the [http://wiki.valimar.ir Valimar] administrators. The Biggest Persian Encyclopedia about Arda and Tolkien. I want you to add us in the list of Arda Encyclopedia.(in this [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/List_of_Tolkien_Encyclopedias page]).

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Olwë

2011-06-30T20:45:14Z

Amaniar: /* Genealogy */

{{sources}}
{{teleri infobox
| image=[[Image:Sirielle_OlweBeleriand.jpg|250px|Olwë in Beleriand]]
| name=Olwë
| othernames=
| titles=King of the [[Teleri]]/[[Alqualondë]]
| birth=Firstborn at [[Cuiviénen]]{{fact}}
| realm=Teleri in [[Aman]]
| death=Did not die
| age=
| spouse=Unknown
| children=[[Eärwen]]
| parentage=
| gender=Male
| hair=White
| eyes=Blue
|}}
'''Olwë''' ([[Quenya|Q]], pron. {{IPA|[ˈolwe]}}) was king of the [[Teleri]] in [[Aman]], also known as the [[Falmari]]. He was younger brother of [[Elwë]], King of the [[Sindar]]. He may have had a second brother, [[Elmo]].

==History==
Elwë and Olwë were both lords of the third clan of the Elves, the later Teleri, and together they lead their people from [[Cuiviénen]] to the [[Aman|West]]:

{{quote|Two lords they had, for their numbers were very great: Elwë [[Singollo]], which signifies [[Greymantle]], and Olwë his brother. The hair of Olwë was long and white, and his eyes were blue; but the hair of Elwë was grey as silver, and his eyes were as stars; he was the tallest of all the Elven-folk.|"[[Of the Coming of the Elves]]"<ref name="Coming">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'', "[[Of the Coming of the Elves]]", page 163</ref>}}

However, during a long wait in [[Beleriand]] Elwë disappeared. After years of searching, Olwë grew impatient, and led the greater part of the Teleri to [[Valinor]], on the insistence of the [[Valar|Vala]] [[Ulmo]].

Olwë became Lord of the island of [[Tol Eressëa]], where the Teleri built a great number of cities, and grew in number. When they finally came to [[Eldamar]] some centuries later, Olwë became king of [[Alqualondë]]. His daughter [[Eärwen]] married [[Finarfin]] son of [[Finwë]] and later King of the [[Noldor]] in [[Valinor]]. Besides Eärwen, Olwë had several sons.

== Genealogy ==
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{{familytree| MEL |y| ELW | | OLW | | ELM | | |MEL=[[Melian]]|ELW=[[Thingol|Elwë]]|OLW='''OLWË'''|ELM=[[Elmo]] }}
{{familytree| | | |!| | | |,|-|^|-|-|-|-|-|.| |}}
{{familytree| | | LUT | | EAR |y| FIN | | SON |LUT=[[Lúthien]]|EAR=[[Eärwen]]|FIN=[[Finarfin]]|SON=''sons''}}
{{familytree| |,|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|+|-|-|-|.| | | |}}
{{familytree| FIN | | ANG | | AEG | | GAL | | |FIN=[[Finrod]]|ANG=[[Angrod]]|AEG=[[Aegnor]]|GAL=[[Galadriel]] }}
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|prev=none
|next=incumbent
|list=Lord of the [[Falmari]]
}}

{{references}}
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[[Category:Characters in The Silmarillion]]
[[Category:Falmari]]
[[Category:House of Olwë| ]]
[[Category:Quenya names]]
[[Category:Elves of Aman not under the Doom of Mandos]]
[[de:Olwe]]
[[fr:encyclo/personnages/elfes/teleri/falmari/olwe]]
[[fi:Olwë]]
[[fa:اولوه]]

Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/5 June 2011

2011-06-04T07:00:15Z

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==Attendees==
# [[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 15:27, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
# [[User:Ainaldo|Ainaldo]] 02:59, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
# {{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 13:29, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
# {{User:Mith/sig}} 16:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
# [[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 16:19, 2 June 2011 (UTC) (50/50)
# As far as I can see, I’m still having that time available, so I hope I won’t forget to attend. — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 04:16, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
# [[User:Gamling|Gamling]] 06:28, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
# {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 05:55, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
# [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 07:00, 4 June 2011 (UTC) , just tell me when the meeting begins.

==Non-Attendees==

==Ideas for Agenda==

* PDF-files. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 15:27, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
* People by language. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 17:27, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
* Cross-references with 3rin.gs [[User:Ainaldo|Ainaldo]] 02:59, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
* Analytics, search engine optimization [[User:Ainaldo|Ainaldo]] 02:59, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
* An update on the spam protection situation, it seems to be getting worse. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 20:25, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
* Discussion about [[The Hobbit films]] articles now that [http://www.facebook.com/notes/the-hobbit/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-journey-and-the-hobbit-there-and-back-again-are-announc/206043836097896 the naming has been confirmed]. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 20:25, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
* The articles that are too big to edit. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 12:16, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
* Family Trees , [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 06:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

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Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/5 June 2011

2011-06-04T06:58:56Z

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==Attendees==
# [[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 15:27, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
# [[User:Ainaldo|Ainaldo]] 02:59, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
# {{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 13:29, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
# {{User:Mith/sig}} 16:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
# [[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 16:19, 2 June 2011 (UTC) (50/50)
# As far as I can see, I’m still having that time available, so I hope I won’t forget to attend. — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 04:16, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
# [[User:Gamling|Gamling]] 06:28, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
# {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 05:55, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
==Non-Attendees==

==Ideas for Agenda==

* PDF-files. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 15:27, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
* People by language. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 17:27, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
* Cross-references with 3rin.gs [[User:Ainaldo|Ainaldo]] 02:59, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
* Analytics, search engine optimization [[User:Ainaldo|Ainaldo]] 02:59, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
* An update on the spam protection situation, it seems to be getting worse. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 20:25, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
* Discussion about [[The Hobbit films]] articles now that [http://www.facebook.com/notes/the-hobbit/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-journey-and-the-hobbit-there-and-back-again-are-announc/206043836097896 the naming has been confirmed]. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 20:25, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
* The articles that are too big to edit. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 12:16, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
* Family Trees , [[User:Amaniar|Amaniar]] 06:58, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

==Discussion==

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Idril

2011-04-16T21:03:07Z

Amaniar:

{{expansion}}{{noldor infobox
| image=[[Image:Anna Lee - Idril.jpg|250px]]
| name=Idril
| othernames=''Itarillë'' ([[Quenya|Q]], [[Father-name|fn]]), ''Celebrindal'' ([[Sindarin|S]], [[epessë]])
| titles=Princess of [[Gondolin]]
| position=
| realm=[[Vinyamar]], [[Gondolin]]
| affiliation=
| language=[[Quenya]] and [[Sindarin]]
| birth=During [[Years of the Trees]]
| birthlocation=[[Valinor]]
| rule=
| death=
| deathlocation=Sailed [[Aman|West]], {{FA|525}}
| age=
| house=[[House of Fingolfin]]
| parentage=[[Elenwë]] and [[Turgon]]
| siblings=
| spouse=[[Tuor]]
| children=[[Eärendil]]
| gender=Female
| height=
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| eyes=
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| steed=[[Eärrámë]] (ship)
}}{{Pronounce|Idril Celebrindal.mp3|Ardamir}}
'''Idril Celebrindal''' was the daughter of King [[Turgon]] of [[Gondolin]] and [[Elenwë]], the wife of [[Tuor]], and the mother of [[Eärendil|Eärendil the Mariner]].

Of the [[Noldor]] who [[Flight of the Noldor|returned]] to [[Middle-earth]] documented to have [[Vanyar]]in ancestry, Idril has the most, being five-eighths Vanyarin by ancestry. Her full-Vanyarin mother [[Elenwë]] fell during the crossing at [[Helcaraxë]], and so did not step foot in Middle-earth. Idril's son [[Eärendil]] is also documented the most heavily Vanyarin of the [[Half-elven]], being five-sixteenths Vanyarin by ancestry.

== History ==
[[Image:Idril.gif|left|thumb|[[Idril Celebrindal]]'s device, depicting a [[menelluin]], with 12 points]]
Idril Celebrindal was the only child of Turgon. She participated in the [[Flight of the Noldor]], and in the [[Helcaraxë]] almost lost her life falling through the ice with several others, but Turgon saved her, though he lost his wife Elenwë. Together with [[Angrod]]'s son [[Orodreth]] she was one of the two Noldor in the third generation to come into exile. Idril was loved in secret by her cousin [[Maeglin]], the son of [[Eöl]] the Dark Elf and [[Aredhel]], Turgon's sister, but she scorned his advances because of his dark character, and the fact they were too closely related.

When Tuor, son of [[Huor]] arrived in [[Gondolin]], Idril fell in love with him. Because Turgon had grown to love Tuor as a son (as he had his father before), and remembering the last words of Huor, he allowed Idril and Tuor to wed, thus bringing about the second union of the [[Eldar]] and [[Edain]], after [[Beren]] and [[Lúthien]]. Idril encouraged Tuor to build the secret passage known as [[Idril's Secret Way]], and thus enabled many to escape the [[Fall of Gondolin]]. In Gondolin she had a son, [[Eärendil]].

After the fall of Gondolin, Idril and Tuor became leaders of the exiles at the [[Havens of Sirion]], where they also received [[Elwing]] daughter of [[Dior Eluchíl|Dior]] son of Beren and Lúthien.

When Tuor grew old he departed in his ship for the [[Aman|West]], and Idril went with him. It is believed by the Elves and [[Dúnedain]] that Idril and Tuor arrived in Valinor, bypassing the [[Ban of the Valar]], and that Tuor became reckoned in the kindred of the Elves, so that they both live in [[Valinor]].

== Etymology ==
The name Idril is the [[Sindarin]] form of her [[Quenya]] name ''Itarildë'' (or ''Itarillë''), which means "Sparkling Brilliance".

She was called [[Celebrindal]], "Silver-foot", because she always went barefoot.

==See also==
* [[:Category:Images of Idril|Images of Idril Celebrindal]].
[[Category:Characters in The Silmarillion]]
[[Category:House of Fingolfin]]
[[Category:Vanyar]]
[[Category:Noldor]]

[[de:Idril]]
[[fi:Idril]]
[[fr:encyclo/personnages/elfes/noldor/idril]]

Fingolfin

2011-04-16T21:01:37Z

Amaniar:

{{noldor infobox
| image=[[Image:Jenny Dolfen - The Coming of Fingolfin.jpg|250px]]
| name=Fingolfin
| othernames=''Ñolofinwë'' ([[Quenya|Q]], [[Father-name|fn]]), ''Aracáno'' ([[Quenya|Q]], [[Amilessë|mn]])
| titles=[[High King of the Noldor]] King of the North
| position=
| realm=[[Tirion]]; [[Hithlum]]
| affiliation=
| language=[[Quenya]] and [[Sindarin]]
| birth={{YT|1190}}
| birthlocation=[[Tirion]]
| rule={{FA|5}} - {{FA|456|n}}
| death={{FA|456}}
| deathlocation=[[Anfauglith]]
| age=3426
| house=[[House of Finwë]]
| parentage=[[Finwë]] and [[Indis]]
| siblings=[[Fëanor]], [[Findis]], [[Irimë]] and [[Finarfin]]
| spouse=[[Anairë]]
| children=[[Fingon]], [[Turgon]], [[Aredhel]] and [[Argon]]
| gender=Male
| height=Tall
| hair=Dark
| eyes=
| clothing=Silver armour, blue shield set with crystals
| weapons=[[Ringil]]
| steed=[[Rochallor]]
}}{{Pronounce|Fingolfin.mp3|Ardamir}}
[[Image:Fingolfin Heraldic Device.jpg|left|100px]]
'''Fingolfin''' ([[Sindarin|S]], pron. {{IPA|[fiŋˈɡolfin]}}) was a [[High King of the Noldor]] in [[Beleriand]], eldest son of [[Finwë]] and [[Indis]], younger brother of [[Findis]], older brother of [[Irimë]] and [[Finarfin]], and the younger half-brother of [[Fëanor]]. His wife was [[Anairë]] and his children were [[Fingon]], [[Turgon]], [[Aredhel]], and [[Argon]].

== History ==
Fingolfin led the largest host of the Ñoldor when they fled [[Aman]] for [[Middle-earth]], even though he thought this unwise; he did not want to abandon his people to Fëanor. He was the one who took them across the ice of the [[Helcaraxë]], and soon after, at the rising of the Sun, he came to the [[Gates of Angband]] and smote upon them, but [[Morgoth]] stayed hidden inside. Fingolfin and the Noldor then came to the northern shores of [[Lake Mithrim]], from which the Fëanorian part of the host had withdrawn.

His son [[Fingon]] rescued [[Maedhros]], son of [[Fëanor]], who consequently waived his claim to kingship. Thus Fingolfin became High-King of the [[Noldor]]. He ruled from [[Hithlum]], by the northern shores of [[Lake Mithrim]].

After defeating the [[Orcs]] in the [[Dagor Aglareb]] ("Glorious Battle"), Fingolfin maintained the [[Siege of Angband]] for nearly four hundred years. But the Siege was ended by the sudden assaults of Morgoth in the [[Dagor Bragollach]] ("Battle of Sudden Flame"), and many peoples of Beleriand fled. In the end Fingolfin rode to Angband alone to challenge Morgoth to single combat, and there died after a mighty duel, wounding Morgoth seven times with his sword [[Ringil]]. [[Thorondor]] the King of Eagles then brought Fingolfin's body to a mountaintop overlooking [[Gondolin]], and [[Turgon]] built a cairn over the remains of his father.
{{quote|In that vast shadow once of yore Fingolfin stood: his shield he bore with field of heaven’s blue and star of crystal shining pale afar. In overmastering wrath and hate desperate he smote upon that gate, the [[Gnomes|Gnomish]] king, there standing lone, while endless fortresses of stone engulfed the thin clear ringing keen of silver horn and baldric green.|''[[Lay of Leithian]]'', [[Lay of Leithian Canto XII|Canto XII]], lines 3538-3547}}

[[Fingon]] then became High King of the [[Noldor]].

== Etymology ==
Fingolfin's [[father-name]] was '''Ñolofinwë''' ([[Quenya|Q]]: "Wise Finwë", pron. [[Noldorin|N]] {{IPA|[ˌŋoloˈfinwe]}}, [[Vanyarin|V]] {{IPA|[ˌŋoloˈɸinwe]}}, [[Third Age|TA]] [[Exilic Quenya|Exilic]] {{IPA|[ˌnoloˈfinwe]}}). His [[Amilessë|mother-name]] was '''[[Arakáno|Aracáno]]''' ("High Chieftain", pron. {{IPA|[ˌaraˈkaːno]}}). ''Fingolfin'' is the [[Sindarin]] form of his father-name, with the word ''Finwë'' added to the beginning. The addition was done by Fingolfin himself in pursuance of his claim to be [[High King of the Noldor]] after his father's death <ref name="Notes">{{PM|Shibboleth}}, p. 344</ref>

== Genealogy ==
 
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{{familytree| | MIR |~|y|~| FIN |~|~|~|~|y|~|~|~| IND | | | | | | | | | | |FIN=[[Finwë]]|IND=[[Indis]]|MIR=[[Míriel Serindë|Míriel]]}}
{{familytree| | | | | |!| | | |,|-|-|v|-|^|-|v|-|-|-|.| |}}
{{familytree| | | | | FEA | | FDS | |!| | | IRM | | FIR | |FIN='''FINGOLFIN'''|FIR=[[Finarfin]]|FEA=[[Fëanor]]|FDS=[[Findis]]|IRM=[[Irimë]]}}
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | |,|-|-|'| | | | | | | | | | |}}
{{familytree| | | | | | | | | FNG |~|y|~| ANA | | | | | | | | | | |FNG='''FINGOLFIN'''|ANA=[[Anairë]]}}
{{familytree| | |,|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|v|-|^|-|v|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|.| |}}
{{familytree| | FIN | | ELE |y| TUR | | ARE |y| EOL | | ARG |FIN=[[Fingon]]|ARE=[[Aredhel]]|TUR=[[Turgon]]|ELE=[[Elenwë]]|EOL=[[Eöl]]|ARG=[[Argon]]}}
{{familytree| | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}
{{familytree| | | | TUO |y| IDR | | | | | | MAE | | | | | | |MAE=[[Maeglin]]|IDR=[[Idril]]|TUO=[[Tuor]]}}
{{familytree| | | | | | |!| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |}}
{{familytree| | | | | | EAR | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |EAR=[[Eärendil]]}}
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== See Also ==
* [[:Category:Images of Fingolfin|Images of Fingolfin]]
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|born=Y.T. 1190
|died=F.A. 455
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|next=[[Fingon]]
|list=3rd [[High King of the Noldor]]
|dates={{FA|5}} – {{FA|455|n}}
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[[Category:Characters in The Silmarillion]]
[[Category:House of Finwë]]
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[[Category:Noldor]]
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King of Númenor

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'''King of Númenor''' was the title of twenty-two rulers of [[Númenor]] (there were also three [[Ruling Queens of Númenor|Ruling Queens]]). Beginning with [[Elros|Elros Tar-Minyatur]] in [[Second Age]] 32, the line of kings lasted for 3,287 years, until [[Ar-Pharazôn]] brought about the [[Downfall of Númenor]].

All the Kings of Númenor used either the [[Quenya]] prefix ''[[Tar]]'' or the [[Adûnaic]] prefix ''[[Ar]]'' before their royal name. Both prefixes mean "High".

{| rules="all" align="center" style="border:1px solid darkgrey; border-collapse:collapse" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"
| colspan="4" style="background:gray; color:white; text-align:center" | '''The Line of Kings of Númenor'''
|-
| bgcolor="lightgrey" |  
| bgcolor="lightgrey" | '''Name'''
| bgcolor="lightgrey" | '''Reign'''
| style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center" | '''Notes'''
|-
| 1. || [[Elros|Elros Tar-Minyatur]] || 32 – 442 || A lord of the [[Edain]] and founder of the Kingdom of [[Númenor]].
|-
| 2. || [[Tar-Vardamir]] || 442 || Better known as [[Vardamir Nólimon]]. His rule was only titular.
|-
| 3. || [[Tar-Amandil]] || 442 – 590 ||  
|-
| 4. || [[Tar-Elendil]] || 590 – 740 || During his reign [[Númenóreans]] first sailed back to [[Middle-earth]].
|-
| 5. || [[Tar-Meneldur]] || 740 – 883 || Established the first [[Númenóreans|Númenórean]] havens in [[Middle-earth]].
|-
| 6. || [[Tar-Aldarion]] || 883 – 1075 || Founded the [[Guild of Venturers]]
|-
| 7. || [[Tar-Ancalimë]] || 1075 – 1280 || 1st [[Ruling Queen of Númenor|Ruling Queen]].
|-
| 8. || [[Tar-Anárion]] || 1280 – 1394 ||  
|-
| 9. || [[Tar-Súrion]] || 1394 – 1556 ||  
|-
| 10. || [[Tar-Telperiën]] || 1556 – 1731 || 2nd [[Ruling Queen of Númenor|Ruling Queen]].
|-
| 11. || [[Tar-Minastir]] || 1731 – 1869 || With [[High King of the Noldor|High King]] [[Gil-galad]] defeats [[Sauron]] and ends the [[War of the Elves and Sauron]].
|-
| 12. || [[Tar-Ciryatan]] || 1869 – 2029 || [[Númenóreans]] begin military occupation of other lands.
|-
| 13. || [[Tar-Atanamir]] || 2029 – 2221 || First king to speak against the [[Ban of the Valar]].
|-
| 14. || [[Tar-Ancalimon]] || 2221 – 2386 || Establishment of the [[King's Men]] and the [[Faithful]].
|-
| 15. || [[Tar-Telemmaitë]] || 2386 – 2526 ||  
|-
| 16. || [[Tar-Vanimeldë]] || 2526 – 2637 || 3rd [[Ruling Queen of Númenor|Ruling Queen]]. Disinterested, she allows her [[Herucalmo|husband]] to rule the kingdom for her.
|-
| align="center" | – || [[Tar-Anducal]] || 2637 – 2657 || Illegally claimed Kingship of [[Númenor]]. After his death he was removed from the Line of Kings.
|-
| 17. || [[Tar-Alcarin]] || 2657 – 2737 ||  
|-
| 18. || [[Ar-Belzagar]] || 2737 – 2825 || First king to adopt an [[Adûnaic]] name.
|-
| 19. || [[Ar-Abattârik]] || 2825 – 2899 ||  
|-
| 20. || [[Ar-Adûnakhôr]] || 2899 – 2962 || He banned the speaking of [[Quenya]]. [[Falmari|Elves]] from [[Tol Eressëa]] now only visited in secret.
|-
| 21. || [[Ar-Zimrathôn]] || 2962 – 3033 ||  
|-
| 22. || [[Ar-Sakalthôr]] || 3033 – 3102 ||  
|-
| 23. || [[Ar-Gimilzôr]] || 3102 – 3177 || Openly persecuted the [[Faithful]].
|-
| 24. || [[Tar-Palantir]] || 3177 – 3255 || Attempted to bring back the old traditions of [[Númenor]].
|-
| 25. || [[Ar-Pharazôn]] || 3255 – 3319 || Usurped the [[Sceptre]]. Defeated and captured [[Sauron]] who later corrupted him. Led the [[Great Armament]] fleet to break the [[Ban of the Valar]], causing the [[Downfall of Númenor]].
|}

==Family tree==
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{{familytree | Var | | Tin | | Man | | Ata |Var='''[[Vardamir Nólimon]]''' |Tin=[[Tindómiel]] |Man=[[Manwendil]] |Ata=[[Atanalcar]]}}
{{familytree | |)|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|.|}}
{{familytree | Aul | | Vad | | Ama | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Nol |Ama='''[[Tar-Amandil]]'''|Vad=[[Vardilmë]] |Aul=[[Aulendil]] |Nol=[[Nolondil]]}}
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{{familytree | | | | | Ele | | | | | | Mai | | Vea | | Ear | | Yav | | Oro | | Axa |Ele='''[[Tar-Elendil]]'''|Ear=[[Eärendur (son of Tar-Amandil)|Eärendur]] |Mai=[[Mairen]] |Yav=[[Yávien]] |Oro=[[Oromendil]]|Axa=[[Axantur]]|Vea=[[Vëantur]]}}
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{{familytree | | | | | | | Sor | | | | | | Anc |v| Hac | | Nes |Anc='''[[Tar-Ancalimë]]''' |Sor=[[Soronto]] |Hac=[[Hallacar]] |Nes=[[Nessanië]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |,|-|-|-|-|'|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | Ana |Ana='''[[Tar-Anárion]]'''}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |,|-|^|-|.|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | |دو| | سو |سو='''[[Tar-Súrion]]'''|دو=''two elder daughters''}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |,|-|^|-|.|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |ای| | تل |تل='''[[Tar-Telperiën]]'''|ای=[[Isilmo]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Minastir]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Ciryatan]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Atanamir]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Ancalimon]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Telemmaitë]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | |هر|v|مین|مین='''[[Tar-Vanimeldë]]'''|هر=[[Herucalmo]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |`|-|.|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Alcarin]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Calmacil]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |)|-|-|-|.|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین| |گیل|مین='''[[Tar-Ardamin]]'''|گیل=[[Gimilzagar]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Ar-Adûnakhôr]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Ar-Zimrathôn]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | |ار| |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Palantir]]'''|ار='''[[Lords of Andúnië]]'''}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | |:| | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | |هر|v|مین|مین='''[[Ar-Gimilzôr]]'''|هر=[[Inzilbêth]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | |,|-|^|-|.}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | |هر| |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Palantir]]'''|هر=[[Gimilkhâd]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | |!| | | |!}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | |هر|-|مین|مین=[[Tar-Míriel|Míriel]]|هر='''[[Ar-Pharazôn]]'''}}

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[[fi:Númenorin hallitsijat]]
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King of Númenor

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'''King of Númenor''' was the title of twenty-two rulers of [[Númenor]] (there were also three [[Ruling Queens of Númenor|Ruling Queens]]). Beginning with [[Elros|Elros Tar-Minyatur]] in [[Second Age]] 32, the line of kings lasted for 3,287 years, until [[Ar-Pharazôn]] brought about the [[Downfall of Númenor]].

All the Kings of Númenor used either the [[Quenya]] prefix ''[[Tar]]'' or the [[Adûnaic]] prefix ''[[Ar]]'' before their royal name. Both prefixes mean "High".

{| rules="all" align="center" style="border:1px solid darkgrey; border-collapse:collapse" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"
| colspan="4" style="background:gray; color:white; text-align:center" | '''The Line of Kings of Númenor'''
|-
| bgcolor="lightgrey" |  
| bgcolor="lightgrey" | '''Name'''
| bgcolor="lightgrey" | '''Reign'''
| style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center" | '''Notes'''
|-
| 1. || [[Elros|Elros Tar-Minyatur]] || 32 – 442 || A lord of the [[Edain]] and founder of the Kingdom of [[Númenor]].
|-
| 2. || [[Tar-Vardamir]] || 442 || Better known as [[Vardamir Nólimon]]. His rule was only titular.
|-
| 3. || [[Tar-Amandil]] || 442 – 590 ||  
|-
| 4. || [[Tar-Elendil]] || 590 – 740 || During his reign [[Númenóreans]] first sailed back to [[Middle-earth]].
|-
| 5. || [[Tar-Meneldur]] || 740 – 883 || Established the first [[Númenóreans|Númenórean]] havens in [[Middle-earth]].
|-
| 6. || [[Tar-Aldarion]] || 883 – 1075 || Founded the [[Guild of Venturers]]
|-
| 7. || [[Tar-Ancalimë]] || 1075 – 1280 || 1st [[Ruling Queen of Númenor|Ruling Queen]].
|-
| 8. || [[Tar-Anárion]] || 1280 – 1394 ||  
|-
| 9. || [[Tar-Súrion]] || 1394 – 1556 ||  
|-
| 10. || [[Tar-Telperiën]] || 1556 – 1731 || 2nd [[Ruling Queen of Númenor|Ruling Queen]].
|-
| 11. || [[Tar-Minastir]] || 1731 – 1869 || With [[High King of the Noldor|High King]] [[Gil-galad]] defeats [[Sauron]] and ends the [[War of the Elves and Sauron]].
|-
| 12. || [[Tar-Ciryatan]] || 1869 – 2029 || [[Númenóreans]] begin military occupation of other lands.
|-
| 13. || [[Tar-Atanamir]] || 2029 – 2221 || First king to speak against the [[Ban of the Valar]].
|-
| 14. || [[Tar-Ancalimon]] || 2221 – 2386 || Establishment of the [[King's Men]] and the [[Faithful]].
|-
| 15. || [[Tar-Telemmaitë]] || 2386 – 2526 ||  
|-
| 16. || [[Tar-Vanimeldë]] || 2526 – 2637 || 3rd [[Ruling Queen of Númenor|Ruling Queen]]. Disinterested, she allows her [[Herucalmo|husband]] to rule the kingdom for her.
|-
| align="center" | – || [[Tar-Anducal]] || 2637 – 2657 || Illegally claimed Kingship of [[Númenor]]. After his death he was removed from the Line of Kings.
|-
| 17. || [[Tar-Alcarin]] || 2657 – 2737 ||  
|-
| 18. || [[Ar-Belzagar]] || 2737 – 2825 || First king to adopt an [[Adûnaic]] name.
|-
| 19. || [[Ar-Abattârik]] || 2825 – 2899 ||  
|-
| 20. || [[Ar-Adûnakhôr]] || 2899 – 2962 || He banned the speaking of [[Quenya]]. [[Falmari|Elves]] from [[Tol Eressëa]] now only visited in secret.
|-
| 21. || [[Ar-Zimrathôn]] || 2962 – 3033 ||  
|-
| 22. || [[Ar-Sakalthôr]] || 3033 – 3102 ||  
|-
| 23. || [[Ar-Gimilzôr]] || 3102 – 3177 || Openly persecuted the [[Faithful]].
|-
| 24. || [[Tar-Palantir]] || 3177 – 3255 || Attempted to bring back the old traditions of [[Númenor]].
|-
| 25. || [[Ar-Pharazôn]] || 3255 – 3319 || Usurped the [[Sceptre]]. Defeated and captured [[Sauron]] who later corrupted him. Led the [[Great Armament]] fleet to break the [[Ban of the Valar]], causing the [[Downfall of Númenor]].
|}

==Family tree==
{{familytree/start}}
{{familytree | Elr |Elr='''[[Elros]] Tar-Minyatur'''}}
{{familytree | |)|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|.|}}
{{familytree | Var | | Tin | | Man | | Ata |Var='''[[Vardamir Nólimon]]''' |Tin=[[Tindómiel]] |Man=[[Manwendil]] |Ata=[[Atanalcar]]}}
{{familytree | |)|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|.|}}
{{familytree | Aul | | Vad | | Ama | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Nol |Ama='''[[Tar-Amandil]]'''|Vad=[[Vardilmë]] |Aul=[[Aulendil]] |Nol=[[Nolondil]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | |,|-|-|-|^|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|.| | | |)|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|.|}}
{{familytree | | | | | Ele | | | | | | Mai | | Vea | | Ear | | Yav | | Oro | | Axa |Ele='''[[Tar-Elendil]]'''|Ear=[[Eärendur (Second Age)|Eärendur]] |Mai=[[Mairen]] |Yav=[[Yávien]] |Oro=[[Oromendil]]|Axa=[[Axantur]]|Vea=[[Vëantur]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | |)|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|.| | | |!| | | |`|-|.| | | |,|-|-|-|v|-|^|-|.|}}
{{familytree | Ela |v| Sil | | Isi | | Men |v| Alm | | | | Cal | | Lin | | Cem | | Ard |Sil=[[Silmariën]] |Isi=[[Isilmë]] |Men='''[[Tar-Meneldur]]''' |Cal=[[Caliondo]] |Lin=[[Lindissë]] |Ard=[[Ardamir]] |Cem=[[Cemendur]] |Alm=[[Almarian]] |Ela=[[Elatan of Andúnië|Elatan]]}}
{{familytree | |,|-|'| | | | | |,|-|-|-|v|-|^|-|-|-|-|-|.| |`|-|.| | | |,|-|^|-|.|}}
{{familytree | Val | | Orc |v| Ail | | Ald |v| Ere | | Alm | | Mal | | Hal | | Iri |Val=[[Valandil of Andúnië|Valandil]] |Ald='''[[Tar-Aldarion]]'''|Ail=[[Ailinel]] |Alm=[[Almiel]] |Mal=[[Malantur]] |Iri=[[Írildë]]|Hal=[[Hallatan]]|Ere=[[Erendis]] |Orc=[[Orchaldor]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |!| | | |,|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|-|-|'|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | Sor | | | | | | Anc |v| Hac | | Nes |Anc='''[[Tar-Ancalimë]]''' |Sor=[[Soronto]] |Hac=[[Hallacar]] |Nes=[[Nessanië]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |,|-|-|-|-|'|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | Ana |Ana='''[[Tar-Anárion]]'''}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |,|-|^|-|.|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | |دو| | سو |سو='''[[Tar-Súrion]]'''|دو=''two elder daughters''}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |,|-|^|-|.|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |ای| | تل |تل='''[[Tar-Telperiën]]'''|ای=[[Isilmo]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Minastir]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Ciryatan]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Atanamir]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Ancalimon]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Telemmaitë]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | |هر|v|مین|مین='''[[Tar-Vanimeldë]]'''|هر=[[Herucalmo]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | |`|-|.|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Alcarin]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Calmacil]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |)|-|-|-|.|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین| |گیل|مین='''[[Tar-Ardamin]]'''|گیل=[[Gimilzagar]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Ar-Adûnakhôr]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | |مین|مین='''[[Ar-Zimrathôn]]'''|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | | | | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | |ار| |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Palantir]]'''|ار='''[[Lords of Andúnië]]'''}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | |:| | | |!|}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | |هر|v|مین|مین='''[[Ar-Gimilzôr]]'''|هر=[[Inzilbêth]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | |,|-|^|-|.}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | |هر| |مین|مین='''[[Tar-Palantir]]'''|هر=[[Gimilkhâd]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | | |!| | | |!}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | |هر|-|مین|مین=[[Tar-Míriel|Míriel]]|هر='''[[Ar-Pharazôn]]'''}}

{{familytree/end}}

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King of Númenor

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2011-03-27T10:57:46Z

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[[Image:Donato Giancola - The Arkenstone.jpg|thumb|250px|''The Arkenstone'' by [[Donato Giancola]]]]
{{quote|That stone of all the treasure I name unto myself, and I will be avenged on anyone who finds it and withholds it.|[[Thorin Oakenshield]], ''[[A Thief in the Night]]''}}
The '''Arkenstone''' was a great jewel discovered beneath the roots of [[Lonely Mountain]] by [[Thráin I]] soon after the establishment of the [[Dwarves|dwarf]]-kingdom there, and prized by his descendants as the "'''Heart of the Mountain'''".

==History==
The Dwarves used all their skill to work the gem into a shimmering multi-faceted jewel that not only shone by its own pale light, but when light fell upon it, the stone "...changed it into ten thousand sparks of white radiance shot with glints of the rainbow". It was a heavy gem, small enough for [[Bilbo Baggins]] to hold in one hand, yet not so small that he could close his own small hand around it.

In the centuries after its discovery, the Arkenstone became an heirloom of the Kings of [[Durin's folk]]. It was carried away into the [[Grey Mountains]] by Thráin's son, and in time brought back to the Great Hall of Thráin under the Mountain by his descendant [[Thrór]]. When the [[Dragons|Dragon]] [[Smaug]] sacked Lonely Mountain, the Arkenstone was lost to the Dwarves of Durin's Folk — it lay among Smaug's booty in the halls of Erebor.

Many years later, when [[Thorin Oakenshield]] led a band of Dwarves to recover their ancient city, their companion Bilbo Baggins discovered the Arkenstone, and kept it for himself. Later, when the [[Lake-men]] and [[Wood-elves]] came to demand their own shares of Smaug's treasure from Thorin, Bilbo delivered the Arkenstone to them to bargain with. In the ensuing [[Battle of Five Armies]], though, all enmities were forgotten, and [[Bard I|Bard]] of [[Dale]] placed the Heart of the Mountain on the breast of Thorin in his tomb beneath Erebor. So, nearly a thousand years after its discovery by Thráin I, the Arkenstone was buried once more in the depths beneath the Lonely Mountain.
==Etymology==
Arkenstone means roughly "precious stone", although the element *''arken'' does not exist in modern English. ''Arkenstone'' is a modernization of an ancient word which appears in the [[Edda]] as ''jarknasteinn'' and in [[Old English]] as ''eorclanstán''.

Note that [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] used the word ''eorclanstánas'' to refer to the [[Silmarilli]] in Old English texts by [[Eriol]]<ref>{{HM|SM}}, [[The Earliest Annals of Valinor]]</ref>. Some fans explore the possibility that the Arkenstone was one of the Silmarilli, specifically the one [[Maedhros]] threw in the chasm, until supposedly found by the Dwarves of Erebor.<ref>http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=2158</ref>
{{References}}

* ''[[The Hobbit]]'', [[Not at Home]]
* ''[[The Hobbit]]'', [[The Clouds Burst]]''
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Durin's Folk

2011-03-19T18:30:49Z

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[[Category:Dwarves]][[Category:Longbeards]]
'''Durin's Folk''', also called ''[[Sigin-tarâg]]'', the '''Longbeards''' were, by rights, the inhabitants of [[Khazad-dûm]]. Their first King was [[Durin I|Durin]] the Deathless.

Durin's Folk were joined in [[Second Age]] by the [[Firebeards]] and [[Broadbeams]] from the [[Ered Luin]], after the [[War of Wrath]] destroyed and ruined their homes.

The Dwarves of Durin's Folk were ruled by six kings named Durin, all fathers and sons, until [[Durin VI]], who was killed by ''[[Durin's Bane]]'' in 1980 of the [[Third Age]]. After his death, a king named Durin did not return to the [[Dwarves]] for many years. In the [[Fourth Age]], a [[Durin VII]] appeared, being either the son or grandson of [[Thorin III]]. He therefore would have been a direct descendant of Durin the Deathless. Durin VII was also known as Durin the Last.
==History==
The Dwarves did not participate in any important event of history. However their friendship with the Elves perhaps became more close than ever; the Dwarves of [[Moria]] maintained close connections to the [[Gwaith-i-Mírdain]] of [[Eregion]]; the [[Doors of Durin]] of Moria were built to facilitate the communication between the two people, and was constructed jointly by both races.

When Eregion was sacked by [[Sauron]]'s forces, the Dwarves assailed them from behind however it was too late to stop him from conquering all [[Eriador]].

In [[Third Age 1980]], a [[Durin's Bane|Balrog]] awoke in the deeps of of the Misty Mountains and killed King [[Durin VI]]. The next year, his son [[Náin I]] was killed, and the Dwarves fled Khazad-dum, which from then on was called ''Moria'', which means "Black pit".

Most of Durin's folk left for the [[Grey Mountains]] in the North, while some followed the new king, [[Thráin I]], who went to [[Erebor]] on the eaves of Mirkwood in [[Third Age 1999]] and started his kingdom there. For a little over two-hundred years the Dwarves that followed the king lived in [[Erebor]], mining for gold and jewels and finding the most precious of jewels, the [[Arkenstone]]. When Thráin died in [[Third Age 2190]], his son [[Thorin I]] became [[King under the Mountain]]. In [[Third Age 2210]], when he heard that his kinsmen were gathering in the mountains to the North, and how rich and unexplored they were, he left Erebor for the [[Ered Mithrin]].

For more than 300 years the [[Dwarves of the Grey Mountains]] prospered. After many years, however, the Dragons in the far North started to gain strength; their population grew, and they made war against the Dwarves, plundering and destroying their works. At last, in [[Third Age 2589]], King [[Dáin I]], along with his second oldest son [[Frór]], was killed at the gates of his halls by a great [[Cold-drakes|Cold-drake]].

Once again the Dwarves were exiled from their homes. Most of the Dwarves left the Ered Mithrin. Some followed Dáin's youngest son [[Grór]] to the [[Iron Hills]], while most one being the king's brother [[Borin]] followed the the new king [[Thrór]] to Erebor again to start a new [[Kingdom under the Mountain]].

For over 200 years Durin's folk prospered, having friendship with Men who dwelt near; the [[Men of Dale]] were able to drive away all enemies from the East, until the dragon [[Smaug]] descended upon Erebor in [[Third Age 2770]]; not long after the kingdom was destroyed and Smaug made for himself a bed of gold in the Great Hall. Many of of the Dwarves escaped the sacking, last of all King Thrór with his son [[Thráin II]] from a secret passage. The King decided to wander South along with a small company of family and followers, while most of the survivors went to the Iron Hills.

Eventually Durin's folk settled in [[Dunland]], and in [[Third Age 2790]] King Thrór gave to his son the Last of the Seven Rings of the Dwarves, and departed with his old friend [[Nár (companion of Thrór)|Nár]]; they travelled North over the [[Redhorn Pass]] to the [[East-gate]] of Moria, where he entered proudly into the ancient kingdom, demanding to return it. But he was met by the [[Goblin]]s of Moria, and their king [[Azog]] cut his head, calling him a beggar. The head of the dwarven king was given to [[Nár (companion of Thrór)|Nár]] (who hid before the Gate few days and waited), and on it was written "AZOG". Nár returned to Thráin and tell him everything. Enraged, Thráin, now the King of Dwarves, called to all the Houses of Dwarves to war, to avenge his father. Thus began the [[War of Dwarves and Orcs]], in which the Dwarves destroyed all the Goblin strongholds in the [[Misty Mountains]] one by one, until they came to the [[East-gate]] of Moria, where the great [[Battle of Azanulbizar]] was fought. In this battle all the dwarven clans united, but the Goblins were still slowly winning, until at last help came - [[Náin (son of Grór)|Náin]] son of [[Grór]] came with fresh Dwarven forces from the [[Iron Hills]]. The Battle ended with the victory of Dwarves, but at great cost. Náin was slain by Azog, but his son [[Dáin II Ironfoot|Dáin]] avenged him by killing Azog. Thráin wanted to enter Khazad-dûm, but the other Dwarven clans would not, and Dáin also warned him of the Balrog of Moria that he felt when he came close to the Gate.

Then Thráin came to the Blue Mountains and established his realm there, doing everything to increase its wealth, power and numbers. But in him still was rage - now that he had his revenge on the Goblins, he now was eager of the [[Lonely Mountain]] and its wealth, and also to revenge [[Smaug]]. Soon after, he left the Blue Mountains to his son [[Thorin II Oakenshield|Thorin]], and started traveling to [[Erebor]] with a group of Dwarves. His company returned, but he did not. He was taken by the [[Necromancer]] to [[Dol Guldur]], and there he was long held in the dark dungeons. [[Gandalf]] met him, and Thráin, although not able to even remember his name, gave him a [[Thrór's Map|map]] and key of Erebor before his death.

Thorin became the King of Dwarves, and ruled in the Blue Mountains for some time. But soon he, by chance of destiny, met [[Gandalf]] at [[Bree]]. There Gandalf told him about his father Thráin, and Thorin desided to make a quest to Erebor. He gathered around him [[Thorin and Company|twelve dwarves]], mostly from his own line, and he was joined by [[Gandalf]] and [[Bilbo Baggins]]. The [[Quest of Erebor]] ended with the death of [[Smaug]] at the hands of [[Bard the Bowmen]]. With the hoard unguarded, Thorin claimed it fully. The [[Elves of Mirkwood]] and [[Men of Dale]] demanded part of the treasures, which Thorin refused. Then he asked help from his cousin [[Dáin II Ironfoot|Dáin]] from the [[Iron Hills]], and he came with five hundred Dwarven warriors. The Dwarves united with the Elves and Men when the Goblins came, and fought the [[Battle of Five Armies]]. With the death of Thorin and his sister-sons [[Fíli]] and [[Kíli]], the kingship under the Mountain passed to Dáin.

Some time during the Fourth Age, Durin VII reestablished the kingdom of Khazad-dum.

Durin's Folk also seemed to have a small remnant of its people in the Grey Mountains after the main population left.

==Line of Durin's Folk==
*[[Durin I]] (The Deathless), father of Dwarves. Founder and first King of [[Khazad-dum]].
*[[Durin II]] Durin Reincarnated.
*[[Durin III]] started a friendship with the Elves of [[Eregion]] during his reign, and was the first to recieve one of the [[Seven Dwarf-rings]].
*[[Durin IV]] Lead a host of Dwarves from Khazad-dum in the [[War of the Last Alliance]]
*[[Durin V]] Durin reincarnated.
*Durin VI son of [[Durin V]]. He was killed by Durin's Bane in {{TA|1980}}
*[[Náin I]] son of Durin VI. Last King of Khazad-Dûm, he was killed by Durin's Bane in 1981 T.A.
*Thráin I son of Náin I. Founded [[Erebor]] in {{TA|1999}}
*[[Thorin I]] son of Thráin I. He left Erebor for the [[Ered Mithrin]]
*[[Glóin (Son of Thorin I)|Glóin]] son of Thorin I
*[[Óin King of Durin’s Folk|Óin]] son of Glóin
*[[Náin II]] son of Óin
*[[Dáin I]] son of Náin II. The last King to rule the [[Dwarves of the Grey Mountains]], he was killed by a great [[Cold-drakes | Cold-drake]] in {{TA|2589}}
*[[Thrór]] son of Dáin I. Returned to Erebor as ''King in Exile'', and later tried to reclaim Moria. He was killed by [[Azog]] the Orc in {{TA|2790}} (Beginning of the [[War of the Dwarves and Orcs]])
*[[Thráin II]] son of Thrór. Made his kingdom in the northern range of the Ered Luin. He tried to go claim Erebor once again, but was captured by Orcs and taken to the dungeons of [[Dol Guldur]] in {{TA|2850}}, and was the last bearer of [[Seven Dwarf-rings | Durin's ring]].
*[[Thorin Oakenshield]] son of Thrain II. He was the king of '''Durin's Folk''' in the Blue Mountains, until he refounded Erebor, but was killed in the [[Battle of Five Armies]] in {{TA|2941}}. He is the only known Longbeard King to die childless.
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*[[Dáin II]] Ironfoot (grandson of [[Grór]]), who was killed in the [[War of the Ring]] in {{TA|3019}}
*[[Thorin III Stonehelm]] Dáin's son became king and had either a son or grandson who became...
*[[Durin VII]], who refounded Khazad-dûm in the Fourth Age

==Inspiration==
Historically "Longbeards" is the supposed original name of the [[Wikipedia:Lombards|Lombards]], but other than the name, there is no other significant similarities between the Lombards and the Durin's Folk.

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Haldan

2011-02-03T10:46:29Z

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'''Haldan''' was the son of [[Haldar]], grandson of [[Haldad]], and nephew to [[Haleth]] herself, who followed his aunt to [[Brethil]], where she settled her People. Haleth left no heir of her own, and so as grandson of Haldad her father, Haldan took up the lordship of the [[Men of Brethil]].

== Genealogy ==
[[Haldad]]
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[[Haldar]] [[Haleth]]
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'''HALDAN'''

{{sequence
|prev=[[Haleth]]
|next= [[Halmir]] (as leader of the Haladin)
|list=3rd [[Chieftain of the Haladin]] <code>I</code> 420 – 451
}}

[[Category:House of Haleth]]
[[de:Haldan]]
[[fr:encyclo:personnages:hommes:1a:peuple_de_haleth:haldan]]
[[fi:Haldan]]

Haldad

2011-01-30T17:16:00Z

Amaniar:

{{Edain infobox
| image=
| name=Haldad
| othernames=
| titles=[[Chieftain of the Haladin]]
| position=
| realm=[[Thargelion]]
| affiliation=
| language=[[Mannish]] dialect
| birth=c. {{FA|315}}
| birthlocation=[[Thargelion]]
| rule=
| death=c. {{FA|375}}
| deathlocation=[[Battle of the Gelion-Ascar Stockade]]
| age=c. 50
| house=[[Haladin]]
| parentage=
| siblings=
| spouse=
| children=[[Haleth]], [[Haldar]]
| gender=Male
| height=[[House of Haleth|Haladin]]
| hair=
| eyes=
| clothing=
| weapons=
| steed=
}}'''Haldad''' was a man, the first leader of the [[Haladin]] since their settlement in southern [[Thargelion]]. He was said to be a brave and strong man, and was most famous as the father of [[Haleth]].

==History==

During the early years after they crossed the [[Blue Mountains]], the [[Haladin]] dwelt happily in [[Caranthir]]'s lands in [[Thargelion]]. They lived a scattered, pastoral existence until one day a swarm of [[Orcs]] descended on them, without warning, out of the Blue Mountains to the east.

Until that time, the Haladin had no single leader, but upon the coming of the orc-assault Haldad, a man renown among his kin, took on the role. He gathered what remnant he could of his people, and built a [[Gelion-Ascar Stockade|defensive stockade]] between the rivers [[Gelion]] and [[Ascar]], south of [[Sarn Athrad]]. There the Orcs [[Battle of the Gelion-Ascar Stockade|besieged them]] until their food was exhausted. Haldad led a sortie against the attacking Orcs, and was slain; his son [[Haldar]] rushed to recover his father's body, and was slain in turn.

Haldad's death was not in vain; Haldad's daughter [[Haleth]] led the Haladin through another week of starvation and seige until Caranthir's army appeared out of the north, and drove the attacking Orcs to their deaths.

== Genealogy ==

'''HALDAD'''
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[[Haldar]] [[Haleth]]
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[[Haldan]]

{{sequence
|prev=-
|next=[[Haleth]]
|list=1st [[Chieftain of the Haladin]] {{FA|315}} – {{FA|375}}
}}

{{references}}
* {{S|17}}
[[Category:House of Haleth]]
[[de:Haldad]]
[[fr:encyclo:personnages:hommes:1a:peuple_de_haleth:haldad]]
[[fi:Haldad]]

Haldad

2011-01-30T17:15:07Z

Amaniar:

{{Edain infobox
| image=
| name=Haldad
| othernames=
| titles=[[Chieftain of the Haladin]]
| position=
| realm=[[Thargelion]]
| affiliation=
| language=[[Mannish]] dialect
| birth=c. {{FA|315}}
| birthlocation=[[Thargelion]]
| rule=
| death=c. {{FA|375}}
| deathlocation=[[Battle of the Gelion-Ascar Stockade]]
| age=c. 50
| house=[[Haladin]]
| parentage=
| siblings=
| spouse=
| children=[[Haleth]], [[Haldar]]
| gender=Male
| height=[[House of Haleth|Haladin]]
| hair=
| eyes=
| clothing=
| weapons=
| steed=
}}'''Haldad''' was a man, the first leader of the [[Haladin]] since their settlement in southern [[Thargelion]]. He was said to be a brave and strong man, and was most famous as the father of [[Haleth]].

==History==

During the early years after they crossed the [[Blue Mountains]], the [[Haladin]] dwelt happily in [[Caranthir]]'s lands in [[Thargelion]]. They lived a scattered, pastoral existence until one day a swarm of [[Orcs]] descended on them, without warning, out of the Blue Mountains to the east.

Until that time, the Haladin had no single leader, but upon the coming of the orc-assault Haldad, a man renown among his kin, took on the role. He gathered what remnant he could of his people, and built a [[Gelion-Ascar Stockade|defensive stockade]] between the rivers [[Gelion]] and [[Ascar]], south of [[Sarn Athrad]]. There the Orcs [[Battle of the Gelion-Ascar Stockade|besieged them]] until their food was exhausted. Haldad led a sortie against the attacking Orcs, and was slain; his son [[Haldar]] rushed to recover his father's body, and was slain in turn.

Haldad's death was not in vain; Haldad's daughter [[Haleth]] led the Haladin through another week of starvation and seige until Caranthir's army appeared out of the north, and drove the attacking Orcs to their deaths.

== Genealogy ==

[[Haldad]]
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[[Haldar]] [[HALETH]]
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[[Haldan]]

{{sequence
|prev=-
|next=[[Haleth]]
|list=1st [[Chieftain of the Haladin]] {{FA|315}} – {{FA|375}}
}}

{{references}}
* {{S|17}}
[[Category:House of Haleth]]
[[de:Haldad]]
[[fr:encyclo:personnages:hommes:1a:peuple_de_haleth:haldad]]
[[fi:Haldad]]