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Talk:Tengwar

2011-04-05T16:08:31Z

Glorfindel Elf-Lord: /* Code 2000, 2001, 2002 */

Down under "Non-Unicode" on this page it says "It should look similar to the picture at the top of the page.", however there is no image at the top of the page? {{unsigned|210.190.195.90}}

:Hello there, I've gone ahead and removed the statement for the time being; if you have the font installed the letters should look similar to [[:Category:Images_of_Tengwar|these]] --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:38, 4 March 2007 (EST)

== scope of the article ==

The article apart being a copy from Wikipedia, it is written totally from 'out of universe' scope. I suggest some rewrite. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 13:01, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

:There are a lot of Wiki articles still around, and unfortunately, they're difficult to track. As for the rewrite of this article, I'm currently busy on tengwar. That's basically because I disagree with KingAragorn's way too simple (and downright incorrect) tengwar tool. I'll see if I can pour it into something of an article, but it may take some time. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 15:26, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
::Well I can do most of it myself, and it would be better if you give me some framework of how it should be :) [[User:Sage|Sage]] 17:30, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

:::What I think should be there:
*Introduction
*History
*Use
*Modes
**Quenya Tengwar
**Sindarin Tengwar
**Mode of Beleriand
**[[Westron Tengwar]]
**English Tengwar[http://www.geocities.com/otsoandor/FTMME.htm]
***Phonemic
***Orthographic
*A full chart (this would include the extra tengwar found in Parma Eldalamberon 17)
*Layout of a tengwa
*Something about the DTS [http://www.forodrim.org/daeron/mdtci.html]
*Anything you can think of
*Portrayal in adaptations (use in adaptations, rather)
::(not necessarily in this order)
:::And if you do the rewrite, you have dibs on the opening quote and a picture. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 01:48, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Ok did a major rearrangement. I think each mode should have a distinct article. The general article should discuss the 'General Use Mode' [[User:Sage|Sage]] 13:57, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

==Mellonath Daeron==
"Mellonath Daeron, the linguistic fan society"... maybe "''Mellonath Daeron'', the linguistic group of the Swedish [[Tolkien Societies|Tolkien Society]] ''[[Forodrim]]''" is better. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 16:21, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

== Eregion and the 'general use' ==

While it is true that [[Isildur's Scroll]] mentions Eregion along with the Ring Inscription, it does not say that the mode of the Ring Inscription was a mode of Eregion. So I think the conclusion that the 'general use' was a mode of Eregion is not compulsory. What Isildur said is: "It is fashioned in an elven-script of Eregion". I conceed that this might refer to the mode. However, I think it could as well refer to the script without reference to any particular mode, but to the overall style of the calligraphy. If we keep in mind that the 'general use' was probably the mode being used in Númenor, why should Isildur relate it to Eregion then? The mode would just be the one he'd be most familiar with and wouldn't require any special attention. He is indeed perfectly able to read it, unlike Frodo. [[User:Machsna|Machsna]] 13:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
:Sound observations. Since Tolkien left these details vague, perhaps we shouldn't deduce our constructed history in the article. Just summarize some possibilities and leave it as neutral as possible. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 18:30, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

== Alphabetical order ==

I found the article confusing because no alphabetical order is given. Does one exist? --{{:User:Myrtone/sig|Myrtone|Myrtonos|forum|c|
ec|c=0833CC|bg=yellow}} 08:12, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

:Do you mean the tengwar themselves should be listed in (English) alphabetical order?; the table of tengwar is the one published in ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' so is copied from that. It would probably be useful to have some kind of Tengwar English article, but listing the tengwar alphabetically may not be entirely useful as a single tengwa can represent two letters (and in other languages three) whilst other English letters are entirely unrepresented (e.g. "c" which treated as an "s", "k" or within a "ch" cluster). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:50, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Code 2000, 2001, 2002 ==

In an attempt to download code 2000, I think that the website given [[www.code2000.net]] is incorrect, or has been made redundant. Also, when trying to download any of these codes, I don't think that you can download them any more. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it might be a good idea to remove all links that reference this or that use it in the page.

Talk:Tengwar

2011-04-05T16:08:13Z

Glorfindel Elf-Lord: /* Code 2000, 2001, 2002 */

Down under "Non-Unicode" on this page it says "It should look similar to the picture at the top of the page.", however there is no image at the top of the page? {{unsigned|210.190.195.90}}

:Hello there, I've gone ahead and removed the statement for the time being; if you have the font installed the letters should look similar to [[:Category:Images_of_Tengwar|these]] --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:38, 4 March 2007 (EST)

== scope of the article ==

The article apart being a copy from Wikipedia, it is written totally from 'out of universe' scope. I suggest some rewrite. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 13:01, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

:There are a lot of Wiki articles still around, and unfortunately, they're difficult to track. As for the rewrite of this article, I'm currently busy on tengwar. That's basically because I disagree with KingAragorn's way too simple (and downright incorrect) tengwar tool. I'll see if I can pour it into something of an article, but it may take some time. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 15:26, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
::Well I can do most of it myself, and it would be better if you give me some framework of how it should be :) [[User:Sage|Sage]] 17:30, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

:::What I think should be there:
*Introduction
*History
*Use
*Modes
**Quenya Tengwar
**Sindarin Tengwar
**Mode of Beleriand
**[[Westron Tengwar]]
**English Tengwar[http://www.geocities.com/otsoandor/FTMME.htm]
***Phonemic
***Orthographic
*A full chart (this would include the extra tengwar found in Parma Eldalamberon 17)
*Layout of a tengwa
*Something about the DTS [http://www.forodrim.org/daeron/mdtci.html]
*Anything you can think of
*Portrayal in adaptations (use in adaptations, rather)
::(not necessarily in this order)
:::And if you do the rewrite, you have dibs on the opening quote and a picture. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 01:48, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Ok did a major rearrangement. I think each mode should have a distinct article. The general article should discuss the 'General Use Mode' [[User:Sage|Sage]] 13:57, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

==Mellonath Daeron==
"Mellonath Daeron, the linguistic fan society"... maybe "''Mellonath Daeron'', the linguistic group of the Swedish [[Tolkien Societies|Tolkien Society]] ''[[Forodrim]]''" is better. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 16:21, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

== Eregion and the 'general use' ==

While it is true that [[Isildur's Scroll]] mentions Eregion along with the Ring Inscription, it does not say that the mode of the Ring Inscription was a mode of Eregion. So I think the conclusion that the 'general use' was a mode of Eregion is not compulsory. What Isildur said is: "It is fashioned in an elven-script of Eregion". I conceed that this might refer to the mode. However, I think it could as well refer to the script without reference to any particular mode, but to the overall style of the calligraphy. If we keep in mind that the 'general use' was probably the mode being used in Númenor, why should Isildur relate it to Eregion then? The mode would just be the one he'd be most familiar with and wouldn't require any special attention. He is indeed perfectly able to read it, unlike Frodo. [[User:Machsna|Machsna]] 13:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
:Sound observations. Since Tolkien left these details vague, perhaps we shouldn't deduce our constructed history in the article. Just summarize some possibilities and leave it as neutral as possible. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 18:30, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

== Alphabetical order ==

I found the article confusing because no alphabetical order is given. Does one exist? --{{:User:Myrtone/sig|Myrtone|Myrtonos|forum|c|
ec|c=0833CC|bg=yellow}} 08:12, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

:Do you mean the tengwar themselves should be listed in (English) alphabetical order?; the table of tengwar is the one published in ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' so is copied from that. It would probably be useful to have some kind of Tengwar English article, but listing the tengwar alphabetically may not be entirely useful as a single tengwa can represent two letters (and in other languages three) whilst other English letters are entirely unrepresented (e.g. "c" which treated as an "s", "k" or within a "ch" cluster). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:50, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Code 2000, 2001, 2002 ==

In an attempt to download code 2000, I think that the website given [[wwww.code2000.net]] is incorrect, or has been made redundant. Also, when trying to download any of these codes, I don't think that you can download them any more. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it might be a good idea to remove all links that reference this or that use it in the page.

Talk:Tengwar

2011-04-05T16:07:50Z

Glorfindel Elf-Lord: /* Code 2000, 2001, 2002 */ new section

Down under "Non-Unicode" on this page it says "It should look similar to the picture at the top of the page.", however there is no image at the top of the page? {{unsigned|210.190.195.90}}

:Hello there, I've gone ahead and removed the statement for the time being; if you have the font installed the letters should look similar to [[:Category:Images_of_Tengwar|these]] --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:38, 4 March 2007 (EST)

== scope of the article ==

The article apart being a copy from Wikipedia, it is written totally from 'out of universe' scope. I suggest some rewrite. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 13:01, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

:There are a lot of Wiki articles still around, and unfortunately, they're difficult to track. As for the rewrite of this article, I'm currently busy on tengwar. That's basically because I disagree with KingAragorn's way too simple (and downright incorrect) tengwar tool. I'll see if I can pour it into something of an article, but it may take some time. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 15:26, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
::Well I can do most of it myself, and it would be better if you give me some framework of how it should be :) [[User:Sage|Sage]] 17:30, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

:::What I think should be there:
*Introduction
*History
*Use
*Modes
**Quenya Tengwar
**Sindarin Tengwar
**Mode of Beleriand
**[[Westron Tengwar]]
**English Tengwar[http://www.geocities.com/otsoandor/FTMME.htm]
***Phonemic
***Orthographic
*A full chart (this would include the extra tengwar found in Parma Eldalamberon 17)
*Layout of a tengwa
*Something about the DTS [http://www.forodrim.org/daeron/mdtci.html]
*Anything you can think of
*Portrayal in adaptations (use in adaptations, rather)
::(not necessarily in this order)
:::And if you do the rewrite, you have dibs on the opening quote and a picture. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 01:48, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Ok did a major rearrangement. I think each mode should have a distinct article. The general article should discuss the 'General Use Mode' [[User:Sage|Sage]] 13:57, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

==Mellonath Daeron==
"Mellonath Daeron, the linguistic fan society"... maybe "''Mellonath Daeron'', the linguistic group of the Swedish [[Tolkien Societies|Tolkien Society]] ''[[Forodrim]]''" is better. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 16:21, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

== Eregion and the 'general use' ==

While it is true that [[Isildur's Scroll]] mentions Eregion along with the Ring Inscription, it does not say that the mode of the Ring Inscription was a mode of Eregion. So I think the conclusion that the 'general use' was a mode of Eregion is not compulsory. What Isildur said is: "It is fashioned in an elven-script of Eregion". I conceed that this might refer to the mode. However, I think it could as well refer to the script without reference to any particular mode, but to the overall style of the calligraphy. If we keep in mind that the 'general use' was probably the mode being used in Númenor, why should Isildur relate it to Eregion then? The mode would just be the one he'd be most familiar with and wouldn't require any special attention. He is indeed perfectly able to read it, unlike Frodo. [[User:Machsna|Machsna]] 13:36, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
:Sound observations. Since Tolkien left these details vague, perhaps we shouldn't deduce our constructed history in the article. Just summarize some possibilities and leave it as neutral as possible. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 18:30, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

== Alphabetical order ==

I found the article confusing because no alphabetical order is given. Does one exist? --{{:User:Myrtone/sig|Myrtone|Myrtonos|forum|c|
ec|c=0833CC|bg=yellow}} 08:12, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

:Do you mean the tengwar themselves should be listed in (English) alphabetical order?; the table of tengwar is the one published in ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' so is copied from that. It would probably be useful to have some kind of Tengwar English article, but listing the tengwar alphabetically may not be entirely useful as a single tengwa can represent two letters (and in other languages three) whilst other English letters are entirely unrepresented (e.g. "c" which treated as an "s", "k" or within a "ch" cluster). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:50, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== Code 2000, 2001, 2002 ==

In an attempt to download code 2000, I think that the website given [[wwww.code200.net]] is incorrect, or has been made redundant. Also, when trying to download any of these codes, I don't think that you can download them any more. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it might be a good idea to remove all links that reference this or that use it in the page.

User talk:Glorfindel Elf-Lord

2011-04-05T15:42:35Z

Glorfindel Elf-Lord: Adding welcome message to new user's talk page