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2009-02-20T16:38:18Z

Lyrdan:

* Feast of [[Mereth Aderthad]] {{ref|1}}

==References==
# {{note|1}} ''[[The Silmarillion]]''

[[Category:First Age years]]

Gorlim

2008-03-31T14:29:11Z

Lyrdan:

'''Gorlim''' was one of the companions of [[Barahir son of Bregor|Barahir]].

In the ''Tale of Beren and Lúthien'' in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' it is described how Barahir, last lord of the [[Men]] of [[Ladros]] ([[Dorthonion]]), remained as an outlaw in his own land after it was lost to [[Morgoth]] in the [[Dagor Bragollach]].

He had twelve companions, one of these Gorlim, son of [[Angrim]], but all their kin were scattered or killed. As Barahir and companions were camping at a secret hide-out in southern Ladros, Gorlim went out hunting near the area where he once lived, when he suddenly saw his old house standing as it long had, and through the window he saw his presumed dead wife, Eilinel. He came out of hiding to go to her, when he was captured by [[Orcs]].

He was brought captive before [[Sauron]], who tricked him into revealing where Barahir hid, claiming he could reunite Gorlim with his wife. Gorlim accepted, betraying his lord, and then Sauron revealed Gorlim had seen but a spectre devised by him, but that he would keep his word. He had Gorlim tortured to death, where he would be "reunited with his wife".

After Orcs had slain all of Barahir's remaining men but for his son [[Beren Erchamion|Beren]], who was out hunting, Gorlim appeared as a spectre before Beren, and confessed his deeds, giving Beren a chance to reclaim the [[Ring of Barahir]], heirloom of his house, and escape alive.

Gorlim is referred to as '''Gorlim the Unhappy''' in the tale.

==Other versions of the legendarium==
In the first version of the ''[[Lay of Leithian]]'', it was Morgoth himself, not Sauron, that tricked Gorlim into betraying Barahir.

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User talk:85.179.87.192

2008-03-23T20:48:22Z

Lyrdan:

{{anon}}

A bit annoying, but yes, I have an account. --[[User:Lyrdan|Lyrdan]] 16:48, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

Telimektar

2008-03-11T12:47:19Z

Lyrdan: iw de fi

Telimektar, son of [[Tulkas]], is one of the so called "[[Lost Valar]]", a character that appeared only in the early versions of [[The Silmarillion]], published in LT1). Later on, he only survived as a constellation, but eventually lost his original name which, however, reappeared as a name of [[Telumehtar Umbardacil]], 28. King of [[Gondor]].

Telimektar is first mentioned in an early story, [[The Chaining of Melko]] (LT1, 94-112). Telimektar was "but just war-high" when he fought at his father's side against [[Melko]] in the war which ended with the captivity of the Enemy. Telimektar had "a long sword girt about his waist by a silver girdle." (LT1, 101).

Later on, in the tale [[The Theft of Melko]], in the darkness after the darkening of the [[Trees]] Telimektar is pursuing [[Melko]] with other [[Gods]] (as they were then called) and "his face and weapons gleam as silver in the dark" (LT1, 154).

In [[The Tale of the Sun and Moon]] (LT1, 174-206) Telimektar is already conversed into a constellation, casually mentioned in a representation of the Heavens by [[Manwë]], who tells that the star [[Nielluin]] (Sirius, called [[Helluin]] in [[The Silmarillion]]) is "nigh the foot of Telimektar son of Tulkas whose tale is yet to tell." (LT1, 182 cf. 200).

Alas, the tale was never properly told. Telimektar's last appearance in Tolkien's mythology is in [[The History of Eriol or Ælfwine and the End of the Tales]] (LT2, 278-334), or more properly, in the sketches for this story collected (and edited) by [[Christopher Tolkien]] from Tolkien's notebooks.

In the conclusion of the whole story that was to become [[Quenta Silmarillion]], later totally rejected, Melko breaks away after the breaking of [[Angamandi]] (later: [[Angband]]) and goes to Tol Eressëa in order to create dissension among the Elves. The Gods do not interfere, but Tulkas decides to privily send Telimektar to aid the Elves.

Telimaktar, with his silver sword, and [[Ingil]] (son of [[Inwë]], king of the Eldar in [[Kôr]] or [[Valinor]]) surprise and wound Melko and then pursue him until Melko climbs to the great [[Pine of Tavrobel]]. There he must stay and Telimektar and Ingil (or [[Gil]], now the star Sirius) remain in the sky in guard against Melko's return. (LT2, 281).

The last statement about Telimektar concerns with Telimektar's shape in the Heavens: the constellation should only be "the image of Telimektar in the sky?" (ibid.) and the stars are given to him by [[Varda]] so that the Gods would know that he still is watching Melko. Also "he has diamonds on his sword-sheath, and this will go red when he draws his sword at the [[Great End]]" (ibid.)

Then the end of the story was entirely changed and the character of Telimektar was also dropped. But as an echo of Telimektar, in the two following versions of the Silmarillion, the army of the [[Valar]] marches to the [[War of Wrath]] (SM 11-75) commanded by [[Fionwë]], son of [[Tulcas]] (SM 37, 149). Later on, Fionwë was called son of Manwë, and finally he was transformed to [[Eönwë]], Manwë's herald (as in Silmarillion, Chap. 24). Of Telimektar remained only the mention of [[Telumehtar]] as a name of Orion in the Appendix E II of [[The Lord of the Rings]], in an entry concerning the pronounciation of H in the [[Elvish]] languages.

'''APPENDIX 1: Other name-forms and etymology of the name'''

Telimektar also appears as an entry in the [[Qenya Lexicon]], an early representation of the Elvish language (see LT1, 268). The entry is titled ''Telimektar, [[Telimbektar]]'' and the [[Gnomish]] form is told to be ''Telumaithar''.

In the Valar name-list Telimektar is also called [[Taimondo]] or [[Taimordo]], in Gnomish [[Daimord]].

The first element ''Teli''- refers to the sky. Cf. ''telluma'' 'dome (of Varda)' (WJ 399), ''telimbo'' 'sky', from the root TELE- 'cover in' (LT1, 268), see also: TEL-, TELU- ([[Etymologies]] s.v. TEL-, TELU-; LR 391). The second element –'mektar' "probably derives from the root MAKA" (LT1, 268 cf. 258). See also ''Etymologies'' s.v. MAK-, LR 371. The end of the name is thus related to the name of another "lost vala", [[Makar]] 'warrior' and is also seen in the other name of the constellation Orion, [[Menelmacar]].

The other name of Telimektar, Taimondo/Taimordo, is derived from the word ''taimë, taimië'' 'sky', but the end does not refer to warrior, being a loan from Gnomish word ''mord'' which means 'shepherd'. Thus the name of the constellation was also conceived as 'Shepherd of the Sky' ([[Taimavar]] in Qenya) (LT1, 268).

For the sake of completeness note also the spelling ''[[Telumaith]]'' in LT2, 302 (see below), and ''[[Taimonto]]'' in LT2, 281.

'''APPENDIX 2: On Telimektar and his son Lúthien'''

In a comment (LT2, 302) to ''The History of Eriol or Ælfwine and the End of the Tales'' Christopher Tolkien treats the origin of the name of [[Lúthien Tinúviel|Lúthien]], which originally was the name given to the mariner [[Ælfwine of England]] by the elves. C. Tolkien refers to a note coeval to the sketches of the story of [[Eriol]] and Ælfwine. In that note "Lúthien or [[Lúsion]] was son of Telumaith (Telumektar)". Ælfwine got his name because he "loved the sign of Orion, and made the sign". The name Lúthien is here explained to mean 'wanderer'. This storyline is not further developed or even mentioned neither does this interpretation of the name Lúthien appear elsewhere.

'''Abbreviations:'''

LR = [[The Lost Road and other Writings]] (The History of Middle-earth, vol. 5)
LT1 = [[The Book of Lost Tales 1]] (The History of Middle-earth, vol. 1)
LT2 = [[The Book of Lost Tales 2]] (The History of Middle-earth, vol. 2)
SM = [[The Shaping of Middle-earth]] (The History of Middle-earth, vol. 4)
WJ = [[The War of the Jewels]] (The History of Middle-earth, vol. 11)

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2008-02-14T15:16:52Z

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2008-02-13T18:40:43Z

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