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		<title>Enyalië</title>
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&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Enyalië&#039;&#039;&#039; (pronounced [{{IPA|enˈjalie}}] /{{respell|en|yar|ly-eh}}/) is an annual activity held as the concluding part of [[The Tolkien Society]]&#039;s [[Oxonmoot]] celebration.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.ew.com/article/2001/12/14/lord-rings-elvish-lives|articlename=&#039;The Lord of the Rings&#039;: Elvish Lives!|website=[http://www.ew.com Entertainment Weekly]|author=Jeff Gordinier|dated=14 December 2001|accessed 11 August 2015}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On the Sunday morning of the [[Oxonmoot]] convention, attendees of the event take a coach trip to [[Wolvercote Cemetery]] where [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] and his wife [[Edith Tolkien|Edith]] are buried. Enyalië is a &amp;quot;sombre&amp;quot; wreath-laying ceremony which involves a &amp;quot;short act of remembrance&amp;quot; at Tolkien&#039;s graveside.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.festivalartandbooks.com/journal8kjh/8featoxon.html|articlename=Oxonmoot 2010|website=[http://www.festivalartandbooks.com Festival Art and Books]|accessed=11 August 2015}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The Chairman of the Society reads a passage from Tolkien&#039;s works whilst the song [[Namárië]] is sung by one of the Society&#039;s long-standing members.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;TS&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|website=TS|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/blog/2015/08/10-reasons-why-you-should-attend-oxonmoot/|articlename=10 reasons why you should attend Oxonmoot|author=[[Shaun Gunner]]|dated=11 August 2015|accessed=11 August 2015}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Former Chair of [[The Tolkien Society]], [[Shaun Gunner]], described the event as &amp;quot;poignant and touching&amp;quot; whilst noting that &amp;quot;many regard it as the single most important activity of Oxonmoot&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;TS&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Etymology==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Enyalië&#039;&#039; is a [[Quenya]] noun meaning &amp;quot;memory&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.elfdict.com/translate.php?term=enyalie&amp;amp;ajax=false|website=[https://www.elfdict.com/ Parf Edhellen]|accessed=11 August 2015}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; or &amp;quot;remembrance&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.theonering.com/news/events/celebrate-tolkien-at-oxonmoot-2006-at-oxford|articlename=Celebrate Tolkien at Oxonmoot 2006 at Oxford|dated=23 August 2006|accessed=11 August 2015|website=[http://www.theonering.com The One Ring]}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; It features in the [[Oath of Eorl]] - in the form &#039;&#039;enyalien&#039;&#039; - published in &#039;&#039;[[Unfinished Tales]]&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{UT|Cirion}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>The Tolkien Society</title>
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&lt;div&gt;{{short description|Charity and literary society dedicated to J.R.R. Tolkien}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{disambig-two|the organization known as The Tolkien Society|list of Tolkien societies|[[Tolkien societies]]}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{company infobox&lt;br /&gt;
| name=&lt;br /&gt;
| image = The Tolkien Society - logo.png&lt;br /&gt;
| founded=[[6 November]] [[1969]] (informal)&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 17&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;[[15 January]] [[1972]] (formal)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;[[7 July]] [[1977]] (charitable status)&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CC&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/en/charity-search/-/charity-details/273809/governance?_uk_gov_ccew_onereg_charitydetails_web_portlet_CharityDetailsPortlet_organisationNumber=273809|articlename=Charity Commision - THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY - Charity number: 273809|dated=|website=[https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/charity-commission The Charity Commission]|accessed=13 November 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
| founder=[[Vera Chapman]]&lt;br /&gt;
| location=England (registered address)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Worldwide (members)&lt;br /&gt;
| type=Educational charity, fan club, academic society&lt;br /&gt;
| keypeople=[[J.R.R. Tolkien]] (President)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;[[Priscilla Tolkien]] (Vice-President)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;[[Shaun Gunner]] (CEO)&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;The Tolkien Society&#039;&#039;&#039; is an international fan club and educational charity based in the United Kingdom, devoted to the study and promotion of the life and works of the author and academic J.R.R. Tolkien. Founded in [[1969]] with the blessing of J.R.R. Tolkien, it has expanded its membership across the United Kingdom, Europe and the world. Its President is Tolkien, the Vice-president is [[Priscilla Tolkien]]; since [[2025]], [[Shaun Gunner]] has been the Society&#039;s Chief Executive Officer.&lt;br /&gt;
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==History==&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society was formed in 1969 by [[Vera Chapman]], an [[University of Oxford|Oxford]]-educated retired teacher/civil servant, who, horrified at the annexation of Tolkien&#039;s works by &#039;the drugs-orientated writings of hippiedom&#039;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Charles Noad|Charles E. Noad]], &#039;The Early Days of the Tolkien Society&#039;, [[A Long-expected Party: Progress Report 1|&#039;&#039;A Long-expected Party: Progress Report&#039;&#039; 1]], p. 10&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; decided to form a group dedicated to the true appreciation of Tolkien&#039;s works.&lt;br /&gt;
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On [[6 November]] [[1969]], Chapman announced the formation of the Tolkien Society in the United Kingdom in the &#039;&#039;New Statesman&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{CG|II}}, p. 287&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Initially London-based, the Society would meet in Chapman&#039;s North London flat; they kept in communication via a photocopied newsletter called &#039;&#039;[[Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet]]&#039;&#039; (Chapman had adopted the name &amp;quot;[[Belladonna Took]]&amp;quot; as her Middle-earth alias), which was first published in December 1969.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; The Society&#039;s inaugural meeting was held in January [[1970]],&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; and its constitution was ratified on [[15 January]] [[1972]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Tolkien Society grew steadily, and Chapman willingly passed over responsibility for the bulletin to other hands whilst a more scholarly publication, &amp;quot;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&amp;quot; also appeared. &#039;&#039;Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet&#039;&#039; went through a number of identity changes, being &amp;quot;Henneth Annun&amp;quot; for one issue before its then editor, John Martin, adopted its current name: &amp;quot;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Society also undertook a pilgrimage to [[Oxford]], exploring the colleges and sites relevant to J.R.R. Tolkien&#039;s life. Visit was made to [[Wolvercote Cemetery]] where wreaths in tribute were laid. At that first visit, it was found that a wild bramble had rooted in the topsoil of the grave. This was rapidly uprooted, and the Society offered to buy a rose plant, the offer of which [[Priscilla Tolkien]] - Tolkien&#039;s only daughter - accepted. The weekend event culminated with a visit to the home of Priscilla Tolkien.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[2014]], the Society inaugurated its annual &#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Tolkien Society Awards|Awards]]&#039;&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2014/03/new-tolkien-society-awards/|articlename=Awards|date=17 March 2014|website=TS|accessed=15 December 2022}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[2025]] the Society was restructured as a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charitable_incorporated_organisation Charitable Incorporated Organisation]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/en/charity-search/-/charity-details/5251709/governance?_uk_gov_ccew_onereg_charitydetails_web_portlet_CharityDetailsPortlet_organisationNumber=5251709|articlename=Charity Commision - THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY - Charity number: 1211591|dated=|website=[https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/charity-commission The Charity Commission]|accessed=13 November 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; with Shaun Gunner as the first CEO of the Society.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; One of the main benefits of this change was the ability for the charity to be able to enter into contracts, employ staff, own/lease property in its own name whilst minimising the trustees financial liability for the charity&#039;s debts or legal actions.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Relations with J.R.R. Tolkien==&lt;br /&gt;
In 1972 [[wikipedia:New Year Honours|New Year Honours]], Tolkien was made a [[Order of the British Empire|CBE]] (Commander of the Order of the British Empire) just two days before his birthday. [[Allen and Unwin|Allen &amp;amp; Unwin]] had encouraged the Tolkien Society to write to Tolkien on the occasion, and they sent the following telegram:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|CONGRATULATIONS ON 80TH BIRTHDAY AND HONOUR. ANOTHER 50 YEARS TO BEAT THE OLD TOOK.&amp;lt;BR/&amp;gt;THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY (IN BRITAIN)|The Tolkien Society&#039;s telegram to J.R.R. Tolkien&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 21&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Society also published a congratulatory message in &#039;&#039;The Times&#039;&#039; on the [[3 January]] in the &#039;BIRTHDAYS&#039; section: &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;TOLKIEN. Professor J. R. R. Tolkien, C.B.E. Congratulations on your 80th birthday. &#039;Elen sila lumenn&#039; omentielmo.&#039; The Tolkien Society.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; As a birthday present, the Society also sent him a green china tobacco jar - designed with a huntsman and a white deer - which included best Latakia Mixture tobacco; attached was the following note:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|FROM all Hobbits, Elves, Elf-friends, Dwarves, Ents, Numenoreans, Rohirrim, etc. etc. etc. of the TOLKIEN SOCIETY (in Britain) with love and honour and hearty congratulations, to the creator of so much wonder. Although not to be compared with the true LONGBOTTOM LEAF, we hope that this will at least raise a few smoke-rings of happy recollection.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY|The Tolkien Society&#039;s message to J.R.R. Tolkien on his birthday&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Joy Hill]], Tolkien&#039;s secretary, phoned Vera Chapman on the 3 January and said, &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Of all the tributes he received, this was the one that gave the greatest pleasure.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; A month later, [[Letter to Vera Chapman and the Tolkien Society|he wrote to her]]:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|Dear Mrs. Chapman,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;May I thank you and the Tolkien Society for your good wishes and kind gift on my 80th birthday. I appreciated your generosity very much indeed.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Best wishes,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Yours sincerely,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;J.R.R. Tolkien [signed]|[[Letter to Vera Chapman and the Tolkien Society|Letter from J.R.R. Tolkien to Vera Chapman]], dated [[6 February]] [[1972]]&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===President===&lt;br /&gt;
On the [[27 June]] [[1972]], Vera Chapman was invited to a sherry party by [[Rayner Unwin]], where she met Tolkien himself. After exchanging a few words with him about the [[Belladonna Took|belladonna]] plant, she asked if he would would be willing to be the Society&#039;s honorary president; he said &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Certainly&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; before concluding, &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;If I can help your society in any way, I will&#039;&#039;.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-22&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 22&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Following the death of J.R.R. Tolkien on [[2 September]] [[1973]], the Tolkien Society offered the post of Honorary President to [[Christopher Tolkien]], Tolkien&#039;s son, but Christopher declined saying he thought the his father should remain president forever. At the [[wiktionary:AGM|AGM]] on [[16 February]] [[1974]] the motion was passed that J.R.R. Tolkien should remain the Honorary President &#039;&#039;in perpetuo&#039;&#039;; he remains the Society&#039;s president to this day.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-23&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 23&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Leadership==&lt;br /&gt;
The Society is primarily volunteer-run organisation, governed by a Board of Trustees with the President and Vice-president as purely honorary positions. Historically, the Chair of the Trustees led the Board and represented the Society both internally and externally; however, since [[1 June]] [[2025]], [[Shaun Gunner]] has served as the Society&#039;s Chief Executive Officer in leading the organisation, responsible to the Board.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2025/06/tolkien-society-appoints-new-chief-executive/|articlename=Tolkien Society appoints new Chief Executive|date=2 June 2025|website=TS|accessed=2 June 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Chief Executives===&lt;br /&gt;
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|1||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Shaun Gunner]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;||&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;1 June 2025&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;||&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;present&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;||&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;{{#expr: {{#time: z}} -150}} days&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Chairs===&lt;br /&gt;
The following is a list of chairs of The Tolkien Society; in April 2017 the Society replaced the title &amp;quot;Chairman&amp;quot; with &amp;quot;Chair&amp;quot;. &#039;&#039;Italic text&#039;&#039; indicates an acting chairman who was appointed, rather than elected.&lt;br /&gt;
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! !!Name!!Start of term!!End of term!!Duration&lt;br /&gt;
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| ||&#039;&#039;[[Vera Chapman]]&#039;&#039;||&#039;&#039;29 January 1970&#039;&#039;||&#039;&#039;20 November 1970&#039;&#039;|| data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.296&amp;quot; |&#039;&#039;296 days&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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|1||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Keith Bridges]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||20 November 1970&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chairman from 20 November 1970 to 15 January 1972.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;||17 February 1973||2 years, 89 days&lt;br /&gt;
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|2||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Hartley Patterson]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||18 February 1973||16 February 1974|| data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.363&amp;quot; |363 days&lt;br /&gt;
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|3||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Jonathan Simons]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||17 February 1974||28 April 1984||10 years, 71 days&lt;br /&gt;
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|4||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Brin Dunsire]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||29 April 1984||16 April 1988||3 years, 354 days&lt;br /&gt;
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|5||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Alex Lewis]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||17 April 1988||11 April 1992||3 years, 360 days&lt;br /&gt;
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|6||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Amanda Campbell|Amanda Fingleson]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||12 April 1992||20 April 1996||4 years, 9 days&lt;br /&gt;
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|7||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Chris Crawshaw]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||21 April 1996||19 April 2008||11 years, 364 days&lt;br /&gt;
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|8||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Matthew Vernon]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||20 April 2008||8 January 2009|| data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.264&amp;quot; |264 days&lt;br /&gt;
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|9||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Sally Kennett]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||8 January 2009&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chairman from 8 January 2009 to 25 April 2009.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;||20 April 2013||4 years, 102 days&lt;br /&gt;
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|10||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Shaun Gunner]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;||21 April 2013||31 May 2025||12 years, 41 days&lt;br /&gt;
|- style=&amp;quot;font-color var(--tg-color-emphasized);&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|11||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Daniel Helen]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chair following Shaun Gunner&#039;s appointment to CEO.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;||1 June 2025||19 September 2025|| data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.111&amp;quot; | 111 days&lt;br /&gt;
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|12||&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Hannah McDonald]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;||&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;19 September 2025&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;||&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;present&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;|| data-sort-value=&amp;quot;{{#expr: {{#time: z}} -264}&amp;quot; |&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;{{#expr: {{#time: z}} -261}} days&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Publications==&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet]]&#039;&#039;, the first bulletin of The Tolkien Society.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&#039;&#039; is the bulletin of the Society and is published six times a year.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Amon&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ts_info/amonhen.html|articlename=Amon Hen - The bulleting of the Tolkien Society|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&#039;&#039; is the journal of the Society and is currently published once a year, in the Spring.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ts_info/mallorn.html|articlename=Mallorn - The Journal of the Tolkien Society|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Quettar]]&#039;&#039; was the journal of the Linguistic Fellowship of The Tolkien Society.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Events==&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society organises the following events each year:&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Birthday Toast|The Birthday Toast]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is held on [[3 January]] (Tolkien&#039;s birthday) every year. The Society encourages Tolkien fans from across the world to toast the Professor at 9pm wherever they are.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Reading Day]]&#039;&#039;&#039;, held annually on [[25 March]], is an international event which promotes the reading of Tolkien&#039;s works.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Annual General Meeting and Springmoot&#039;&#039;&#039; involves a meeting where formal business (with regard to the running of the Tolkien Society) is discussed, followed by a semi-formal dinner with a guest speaker. It is held over a weekend each April.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;AGM&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/agm/|articlename=About The Annual General Meeting|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Society Awards]]&#039;&#039;&#039; are announced during the dinner of this event.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/society/awards/|articlename=Awards|website=TS|accessed=15 December 2022}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Seminar&#039;&#039;&#039; is an event which consists of a programme of talks on a Tolkien-related theme. It is held most summers (around June or July).&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Seminar&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/seminar/|articlename=Seminar home page|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Oxonmoot]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is a convention held at an Oxford college on the weekend closest to [[22 September]], [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] and [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]]&#039;s birthday.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Oxonmoot&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/oxon/|articlename=Oxonmoot index page|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Westmoot]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is a new convention aimed at US members of the Society. The inaugural event took place in [[Wikipedia:Kansas City, Missouri|Kansas City, Missouri]] on Friday [[May 9]] - Sunday [[May 11]] [[2025]] at the [[Wikipedia:National World War I Museum and Memorial|National World War I Museum and Memorial]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/events/westmoot-2025/|articlename=Westmoot 2025|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=28-November-2024}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society also organises large conferences in order to celebrate an anniversary around J.R.R. Tolkien and/or his works. Past events:&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference|The J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Keble College (in [[Oxford]], England) in [[1992]]. It celebrated the centenary of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]&#039;s birth. It was organised in conjunction with the [[Mythopoeic Society]] and was a combination of Oxonmoot 1992 and Mythcon 23.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Centenary&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/1992/index.html|articlename=Tolkien Centenary Conference 1992|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien 2005|Tolkien 2005: The Ring Goes Ever On]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Aston University (in Birmingham, England) in [[2005]]. It celebrated the fiftieth anniversary of the complete publication of &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Tolkien2005&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/2005/about.html|articlename=About Tolkien 2005|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Return of the Ring|The Return of the Ring: Celebrating Tolkien in 2012]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Loughborough University (in Leicestershire, England) in [[2012]]. It celebrated the seventy-fifth anniversary of the publication of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit]]&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Return&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.returnofthering.org/index.php|articlename=The Return of the Ring - Celebrating Tolkien in 2012|website=[http://www.returnofthering.org/ The Return of the Ring]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Plaques and Memorials]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[http://www.tolkiensociety.org Official website]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://twitter.com/TolkienSociety Twitter feed]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.facebook.com/TheTolkienSociety Facebook page]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.facebook.com/groups/TheTolkienSociety.EducationalCharity/ Facebook group]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://www.tolkiensociety.org/members/discord/ Discord server] (members only)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{short description|Charity and literary society dedicated to J.R.R. Tolkien}}&lt;br /&gt;
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| image = The Tolkien Society - logo.png&lt;br /&gt;
| founded=[[6 November]] [[1969]] (informal)&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 17&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;[[15 January]] [[1972]] (formal)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;[[7 July]] [[1977]] (charitable status)&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CC&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/en/charity-search/-/charity-details/273809/governance?_uk_gov_ccew_onereg_charitydetails_web_portlet_CharityDetailsPortlet_organisationNumber=273809|articlename=Charity Commision - THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY - Charity number: 273809|dated=|website=[https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/charity-commission The Charity Commission]|accessed=13 November 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
| founder=[[Vera Chapman]]&lt;br /&gt;
| location=England (registered address)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Worldwide (members)&lt;br /&gt;
| type=Educational charity, fan club, academic society&lt;br /&gt;
| keypeople=[[J.R.R. Tolkien]] (President)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;[[Priscilla Tolkien]] (Vice-President)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;[[Shaun Gunner]] (CEO)&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;The Tolkien Society&#039;&#039;&#039; is an international fan club and educational charity based in the United Kingdom, devoted to the study and promotion of the life and works of the author and academic J.R.R. Tolkien. Founded in [[1969]] with the blessing of J.R.R. Tolkien, it has expanded its membership across the United Kingdom, Europe and the world. Its President is Tolkien, the Vice-president is [[Priscilla Tolkien]]; since [[2025]], [[Shaun Gunner]] has been the Society&#039;s Chief Executive Officer.&lt;br /&gt;
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==History==&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society was formed in 1969 by [[Vera Chapman]], an [[University of Oxford|Oxford]]-educated retired teacher/civil servant, who, horrified at the annexation of Tolkien&#039;s works by &#039;the drugs-orientated writings of hippiedom&#039;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Charles Noad|Charles E. Noad]], &#039;The Early Days of the Tolkien Society&#039;, [[A Long-expected Party: Progress Report 1|&#039;&#039;A Long-expected Party: Progress Report&#039;&#039; 1]], p. 10&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; decided to form a group dedicated to the true appreciation of Tolkien&#039;s works.&lt;br /&gt;
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On [[6 November]] [[1969]], Chapman announced the formation of the Tolkien Society in the United Kingdom in the &#039;&#039;New Statesman&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{CG|II}}, p. 287&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Initially London-based, the Society would meet in Chapman&#039;s North London flat; they kept in communication via a photocopied newsletter called &#039;&#039;[[Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet]]&#039;&#039; (Chapman had adopted the name &amp;quot;[[Belladonna Took]]&amp;quot; as her Middle-earth alias), which was first published in December 1969.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; The Society&#039;s inaugural meeting was held in January [[1970]],&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; and its constitution was ratified on [[15 January]] [[1972]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Tolkien Society grew steadily, and Chapman willingly passed over responsibility for the bulletin to other hands whilst a more scholarly publication, &amp;quot;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&amp;quot; also appeared. &#039;&#039;Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet&#039;&#039; went through a number of identity changes, being &amp;quot;Henneth Annun&amp;quot; for one issue before its then editor, John Martin, adopted its current name: &amp;quot;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Society also undertook a pilgrimage to [[Oxford]], exploring the colleges and sites relevant to J.R.R. Tolkien&#039;s life. Visit was made to [[Wolvercote Cemetery]] where wreaths in tribute were laid. At that first visit, it was found that a wild bramble had rooted in the topsoil of the grave. This was rapidly uprooted, and the Society offered to buy a rose plant, the offer of which [[Priscilla Tolkien]] - Tolkien&#039;s only daughter - accepted. The weekend event culminated with a visit to the home of Priscilla Tolkien.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[2014]], the Society inaugurated its annual &#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Tolkien Society Awards|Awards]]&#039;&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2014/03/new-tolkien-society-awards/|articlename=Awards|date=17 March 2014|website=TS|accessed=15 December 2022}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[2025]] the Society was restructured as a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charitable_incorporated_organisation Charitable Incorporated Organisation]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/en/charity-search/-/charity-details/5251709/governance?_uk_gov_ccew_onereg_charitydetails_web_portlet_CharityDetailsPortlet_organisationNumber=5251709|articlename=Charity Commision - THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY - Charity number: 1211591|dated=|website=[https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/charity-commission The Charity Commission]|accessed=13 November 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; with Shaun Gunner as the first CEO of the Society.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; One of the main benefits of this change was the ability for the charity to be able to enter into contracts, employ staff, own/lease property in its own name whilst minimising the trustees financial liability for the charity&#039;s debts or legal actions.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Relations with J.R.R. Tolkien==&lt;br /&gt;
In 1972 [[wikipedia:New Year Honours|New Year Honours]], Tolkien was made a [[Order of the British Empire|CBE]] (Commander of the Order of the British Empire) just two days before his birthday. [[Allen and Unwin|Allen &amp;amp; Unwin]] had encouraged the Tolkien Society to write to Tolkien on the occasion, and they sent the following telegram:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|CONGRATULATIONS ON 80TH BIRTHDAY AND HONOUR. ANOTHER 50 YEARS TO BEAT THE OLD TOOK.&amp;lt;BR/&amp;gt;THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY (IN BRITAIN)|The Tolkien Society&#039;s telegram to J.R.R. Tolkien&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 21&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Society also published a congratulatory message in &#039;&#039;The Times&#039;&#039; on the [[3 January]] in the &#039;BIRTHDAYS&#039; section: &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;TOLKIEN. Professor J. R. R. Tolkien, C.B.E. Congratulations on your 80th birthday. &#039;Elen sila lumenn&#039; omentielmo.&#039; The Tolkien Society.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; As a birthday present, the Society also sent him a green china tobacco jar - designed with a huntsman and a white deer - which included best Latakia Mixture tobacco; attached was the following note:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|FROM all Hobbits, Elves, Elf-friends, Dwarves, Ents, Numenoreans, Rohirrim, etc. etc. etc. of the TOLKIEN SOCIETY (in Britain) with love and honour and hearty congratulations, to the creator of so much wonder. Although not to be compared with the true LONGBOTTOM LEAF, we hope that this will at least raise a few smoke-rings of happy recollection.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY|The Tolkien Society&#039;s message to J.R.R. Tolkien on his birthday&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Joy Hill]], Tolkien&#039;s secretary, phoned Vera Chapman on the 3 January and said, &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Of all the tributes he received, this was the one that gave the greatest pleasure.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; A month later, [[Letter to Vera Chapman and the Tolkien Society|he wrote to her]]:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|Dear Mrs. Chapman,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;May I thank you and the Tolkien Society for your good wishes and kind gift on my 80th birthday. I appreciated your generosity very much indeed.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Best wishes,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Yours sincerely,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;J.R.R. Tolkien [signed]|[[Letter to Vera Chapman and the Tolkien Society|Letter from J.R.R. Tolkien to Vera Chapman]], dated [[6 February]] [[1972]]&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===President===&lt;br /&gt;
On the [[27 June]] [[1972]], Vera Chapman was invited to a sherry party by [[Rayner Unwin]], where she met Tolkien himself. After exchanging a few words with him about the [[Belladonna Took|belladonna]] plant, she asked if he would would be willing to be the Society&#039;s honorary president; he said &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Certainly&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; before concluding, &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;If I can help your society in any way, I will&#039;&#039;.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-22&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 22&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Following the death of J.R.R. Tolkien on [[2 September]] [[1973]], the Tolkien Society offered the post of Honorary President to [[Christopher Tolkien]], Tolkien&#039;s son, but Christopher declined saying he thought the his father should remain president forever. At the [[wiktionary:AGM|AGM]] on [[16 February]] [[1974]] the motion was passed that J.R.R. Tolkien should remain the Honorary President &#039;&#039;in perpetuo&#039;&#039;; he remains the Society&#039;s president to this day.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-23&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 23&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Leadership==&lt;br /&gt;
The Society is primarily volunteer-run organisation, governed by a Board of Trustees with the President and Vice-president as purely honorary positions. Historically, the Chair of the Trustees led the Board and represented the Society both internally and externally; however, since [[1 June]] [[2025]], [[Shaun Gunner]] has served as the Society&#039;s Chief Executive Officer in leading the organisation, responsible to the Board.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2025/06/tolkien-society-appoints-new-chief-executive/|articlename=Tolkien Society appoints new Chief Executive|date=2 June 2025|website=TS|accessed=2 June 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Chief Executives===&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable sortable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|- style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-2);&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
! !!Name!!Start of term!!End of term!!Duration&lt;br /&gt;
|- style=&amp;quot;font-color var(--tg-color-emphasized);&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|1||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Shaun Gunner]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;||&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;1 June 2025&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;||&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;present&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;||&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;{{#expr: {{#time: z}} -150}} days&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Chairs===&lt;br /&gt;
The following is a list of chairs of The Tolkien Society; in April 2017 the Society replaced the title &amp;quot;Chairman&amp;quot; with &amp;quot;Chair&amp;quot;. &#039;&#039;Italic text&#039;&#039; indicates an acting chairman who was appointed, rather than elected.&lt;br /&gt;
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|- style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-2);&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
! !!Name!!Start of term!!End of term!!Duration&lt;br /&gt;
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| ||&#039;&#039;[[Vera Chapman]]&#039;&#039;||&#039;&#039;29 January 1970&#039;&#039;||&#039;&#039;20 November 1970&#039;&#039;|| data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.296&amp;quot; |&#039;&#039;296 days&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|1||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Keith Bridges]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||20 November 1970&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chairman from 20 November 1970 to 15 January 1972.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;||17 February 1973||2 years, 89 days&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|2||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Hartley Patterson]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||18 February 1973||16 February 1974|| data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.363&amp;quot; |363 days&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|3||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Jonathan Simons]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||17 February 1974||28 April 1984||10 years, 71 days&lt;br /&gt;
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|4||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Brin Dunsire]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||29 April 1984||16 April 1988||3 years, 354 days&lt;br /&gt;
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|5||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Alex Lewis]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||17 April 1988||11 April 1992||3 years, 360 days&lt;br /&gt;
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|6||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Amanda Campbell|Amanda Fingleson]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||12 April 1992||20 April 1996||4 years, 9 days&lt;br /&gt;
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|7||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Chris Crawshaw]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||21 April 1996||19 April 2008||11 years, 364 days&lt;br /&gt;
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|8||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Matthew Vernon]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||20 April 2008||8 January 2009|| data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.264&amp;quot; |264 days&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|9||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Sally Kennett]]&#039;&#039;&#039;||8 January 2009&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chairman from 8 January 2009 to 25 April 2009.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;||20 April 2013||4 years, 102 days&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
|10||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Shaun Gunner]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;||21 April 2013||31 May 2025||12 years, 41 days&lt;br /&gt;
|- style=&amp;quot;font-color var(--tg-color-emphasized);&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|11||&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Daniel Helen]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chair following Shaun Gunner&#039;s appointment to CEO.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;||1 June 2025||19 September 2025|| 111 days&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|12||&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Hannah McDonald]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;||&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;19 September 2025&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;||&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;present&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;|| data-sort-value=&amp;quot;{{#expr: {{#time: z}} -264}&amp;quot; |&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;{{#expr: {{#time: z}} -261}} days&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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;Notes&lt;br /&gt;
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==Publications==&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet]]&#039;&#039;, the first bulletin of The Tolkien Society.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&#039;&#039; is the bulletin of the Society and is published six times a year.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Amon&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ts_info/amonhen.html|articlename=Amon Hen - The bulleting of the Tolkien Society|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&#039;&#039; is the journal of the Society and is currently published once a year, in the Spring.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ts_info/mallorn.html|articlename=Mallorn - The Journal of the Tolkien Society|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Quettar]]&#039;&#039; was the journal of the Linguistic Fellowship of The Tolkien Society.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Events==&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society organises the following events each year:&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Birthday Toast|The Birthday Toast]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is held on [[3 January]] (Tolkien&#039;s birthday) every year. The Society encourages Tolkien fans from across the world to toast the Professor at 9pm wherever they are.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Reading Day]]&#039;&#039;&#039;, held annually on [[25 March]], is an international event which promotes the reading of Tolkien&#039;s works.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Annual General Meeting and Springmoot&#039;&#039;&#039; involves a meeting where formal business (with regard to the running of the Tolkien Society) is discussed, followed by a semi-formal dinner with a guest speaker. It is held over a weekend each April.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;AGM&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/agm/|articlename=About The Annual General Meeting|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Society Awards]]&#039;&#039;&#039; are announced during the dinner of this event.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/society/awards/|articlename=Awards|website=TS|accessed=15 December 2022}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Seminar&#039;&#039;&#039; is an event which consists of a programme of talks on a Tolkien-related theme. It is held most summers (around June or July).&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Seminar&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/seminar/|articlename=Seminar home page|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Oxonmoot]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is a convention held at an Oxford college on the weekend closest to [[22 September]], [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] and [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]]&#039;s birthday.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Oxonmoot&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/oxon/|articlename=Oxonmoot index page|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Westmoot]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is a new convention aimed at US members of the Society. The inaugural event took place in [[Wikipedia:Kansas City, Missouri|Kansas City, Missouri]] on Friday [[May 9]] - Sunday [[May 11]] [[2025]] at the [[Wikipedia:National World War I Museum and Memorial|National World War I Museum and Memorial]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/events/westmoot-2025/|articlename=Westmoot 2025|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=28-November-2024}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society also organises large conferences in order to celebrate an anniversary around J.R.R. Tolkien and/or his works. Past events:&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference|The J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Keble College (in [[Oxford]], England) in [[1992]]. It celebrated the centenary of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]&#039;s birth. It was organised in conjunction with the [[Mythopoeic Society]] and was a combination of Oxonmoot 1992 and Mythcon 23.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Centenary&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/1992/index.html|articlename=Tolkien Centenary Conference 1992|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien 2005|Tolkien 2005: The Ring Goes Ever On]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Aston University (in Birmingham, England) in [[2005]]. It celebrated the fiftieth anniversary of the complete publication of &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Tolkien2005&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/2005/about.html|articlename=About Tolkien 2005|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Return of the Ring|The Return of the Ring: Celebrating Tolkien in 2012]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Loughborough University (in Leicestershire, England) in [[2012]]. It celebrated the seventy-fifth anniversary of the publication of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit]]&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Return&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.returnofthering.org/index.php|articlename=The Return of the Ring - Celebrating Tolkien in 2012|website=[http://www.returnofthering.org/ The Return of the Ring]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Plaques and Memorials]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[http://www.tolkiensociety.org Official website]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://twitter.com/TolkienSociety Twitter feed]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.facebook.com/TheTolkienSociety Facebook page]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.facebook.com/groups/TheTolkienSociety.EducationalCharity/ Facebook group]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://www.tolkiensociety.org/members/discord/ Discord server] (members only)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{tolkiensociety}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{DEFAULTSORT:Tolkien Society}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:British organizations]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Tolkien Societies]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:The Tolkien Society| ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[fi:The Tolkien Society]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=10_October&amp;diff=425709</id>
		<title>10 October</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=10_October&amp;diff=425709"/>
		<updated>2025-10-10T08:12:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: /* On Earth */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;noinclude&amp;gt;{{month|October}}&lt;br /&gt;
Events that occurred on 10 October.&lt;br /&gt;
==On Earth==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[1920]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - Voice actor [[Victor Platt]] is born.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[1929]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - Writer and actor [[Bernard Mayes]] is born.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[1936]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Stanley Unwin]] reads the typescript of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit]]&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[1964]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - The first episode of the [[Princess]]-serialization of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[1964]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - Voice actor [[Quinton Flynn]] is born.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[1968]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] writes [[Letter to Mary Fairburn (10 October 1968)|a letter to Mary Fairburn]].&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[1969]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - Actor [[Manu Bennett]] is born.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[1979]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - The &#039;&#039;[[Jackanory]]&#039;&#039; episode &amp;quot;Fire and Water&amp;quot; is aired on the [[BBC]].&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[2006]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - The &#039;&#039;[[J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia: Scholarship and Critical Assessment|J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[2010]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - Chilean Tolkien Society&#039;s Mereth Oronnad.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[2010]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Minecraft Middle-Earth]] begins building Middle-Earth.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[2017]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Middle-earth: Shadow of War]]&#039;&#039; is released.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==In Arda==&lt;br /&gt;
*{{TA|3018}}:&lt;br /&gt;
**{{Cal Travel-Frodo2}}&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Glorfindel]] travels towards the [[Last Bridge]].&lt;br /&gt;
**{{Cal Travel-Gandalf2}}&lt;br /&gt;
**{{Cal Travel-Boromir}}&amp;lt;noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Dates|284]] [[fi:10. lokakuuta]] &amp;lt;/noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Gallant_Edith_Bratt&amp;diff=422177</id>
		<title>The Gallant Edith Bratt</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Gallant_Edith_Bratt&amp;diff=422177"/>
		<updated>2025-07-21T07:42:04Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: /* Reception */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;{{book&lt;br /&gt;
| title=The Gallant Edith Bratt&lt;br /&gt;
| image = The Gallant Edith Bratt.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
| foreword=&lt;br /&gt;
| introduction=&lt;br /&gt;
| author=Nancy Bunting and Seamus Hamill-Keays&lt;br /&gt;
| editor=&lt;br /&gt;
| illustrator=&lt;br /&gt;
| publisher=[[Walking Tree Publishers]]&lt;br /&gt;
| date=[[19 August]] [[2021]]&lt;br /&gt;
| format=Paperback&lt;br /&gt;
| pages=258&lt;br /&gt;
| isbn= 978-3-905703-46-7&lt;br /&gt;
| series=[[Cormarë Series]]&lt;br /&gt;
| precededby=[[Tolkien and the Classical World]]&lt;br /&gt;
| followedby=[[Nólë Hyarmenillo]]&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;The Gallant Edith Bratt&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; is a biographical work on [[Edith Tolkien]] by Nancy Bunting and Seamus Hamill-Keays. The book re-examines Edith&#039;s role in J.R.R. Tolkien&#039;s life, looking at documentary evidence and the role Edith played in Tolkien&#039;s literary creation. It was published as No. 46 in the &#039;&#039;[[Cormarë Series]]&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Contents==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*  Series&#039; Editors Preface&lt;br /&gt;
* Acknowledgements&lt;br /&gt;
* Introduction &lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 1: In the Beginning&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 2: Childhood&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 3: Dresden House, 1903-1907&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 4: The Faulkners&#039;, Birmingham, 1908-1910&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 5: Charlton Kings, 1910-1913&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 6: Waiting in Warwick, 1913-1915&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 7: Waiting in Warwick, 1915-1916&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 8: Edith Bratt Tolkien Confronts the War, 1916&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 9: Edith Bratt Tolkien&#039;s Wanderings, 1917&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 10: Edith: Creation, Subcreation, and Tinúviel/Lúthien&lt;br /&gt;
* Epilogue&lt;br /&gt;
* Appendix Concerning Tolkien and Sanskrit&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==From the publisher==&lt;br /&gt;
{{blockquote|Who was Edith Bratt? Millions saw Hollywood&#039;s fantasy version of J.R.R. Tolkien&#039;s one and only love, Edith Bratt, in the 2019 movie, &#039;&#039;Tolkien&#039;&#039;. Fact, though, is stranger than fiction, and more interesting. Edith&#039;s story reveals a gallant heroine suffering under &amp;quot;The Shadow of the Past.&amp;quot; Edith was Ronald&#039;s &amp;quot;lover,&amp;quot; and much like her mother, Edith risked all for the man she loved. New research finds a financially independent and strong woman who was not only John Ronald&#039;s equal, but his muse, his anchor of stability in the present, and his hope for the future.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Admirers, enthusiasts, and students of Tolkien will find much new material to enrich their understanding and appreciation of Tolkien. Placing the development of John Ronald Tolkien&#039;s Elvish languages, mythology, and art during the crucial years of 1916-18 in a new biographical context that includes the importance and significance of Edith Bratt culminates in the pivotal story of Lúthien and Beren with new unsuspected sources and the complementary artwork of &#039;&#039;The Fair Towns of Holy Tol Eressëa&#039;&#039;. A fresh awareness of the compelling and pervasive influence and effect of Tolkien&#039;s biography on his oeuvre suggests new views and possibilities for further investigations. }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Reception==&lt;br /&gt;
The book was reviewed by [[Shaun Gunner]], Chair of [[The Tolkien Society]] in the journal &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&#039;&#039;. In reviewing the book, Gunner said he felt the authors had done a &amp;quot;genuinely thorough job in looking into Edith’s early life and upbringing, teaching about her family, education, wealth and accommodation.&amp;quot; However, he critiqued the book as &amp;quot;incomplete&amp;quot; for only covering her life from her birth to 1917, for making their own suppositions, and for &amp;quot;pointed&amp;quot; critiques of [[Humphrey Carpenter]]&#039;s [[J.R.R. Tolkien: A Biography|biography of Tolkien]]. He concluded he could only &amp;quot;partially&amp;quot; recommend the work.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Shaun Gunner]], review of &#039;&#039;The Gallant Edith Bratt&#039;&#039; in [[Mallorn 63|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 63]], ed. Luke Shelton, pp. 47-8&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Christina Scull]] and [[Wayne G. Hammond]], writing in the &#039;&#039;[[Journal of Tolkien Research]]&#039;&#039;, took a similar line to Gunner saying that the authors &amp;quot;usefully expand our sources of information on&lt;br /&gt;
Edith’s early life. Their industry in doing so is commendable&amp;quot;. However, Scull and Hammond were similarly frustrated by the &amp;quot;concentrated siege&amp;quot; on Humphrey Carpenter, and concluded: &amp;quot;Bunting and Hamill-Keays’s book [..] is haphazardly argued, excessively speculative, and sometimes vituperative, and cannot be recommended except for the few new facts it firmly documents.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Christina Scull]] and [[Wayne G. Hammond]], review of &#039;&#039;The Gallant Edith Bratt&#039;&#039; in &#039;&#039;[[Journal of Tolkien Research]]&#039;&#039;: Vol. 14: Iss. 2, Article 1.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;br /&gt;
{{Reflist}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.walking-tree.org/books/gallant_edith_bratt.php Official product page]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/full/10.3366/ink.2022.0140 Review by Giovanni Carmine Costabile for &#039;&#039;Journal of Inklings Studies&#039;&#039;]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://dc.swosu.edu/mythlore/vol41/iss2/26/ Review by María Fernández Portaencasa in &#039;&#039;Mythlore&#039;&#039;]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://scholar.valpo.edu/journaloftolkienresearch/vol14/iss2/1/ Review by Wayne G. Hammond and Christina Scull in &#039;&#039;Journal of Tolkien Research&#039;&#039;]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Cormarë}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{title|italics}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{DEFAULTSORT:Gallant Edith Bratt}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Publications by title]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Scholarly books]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[fi:The Gallant Edith Bratt]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Gallant_Edith_Bratt&amp;diff=422176</id>
		<title>The Gallant Edith Bratt</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Gallant_Edith_Bratt&amp;diff=422176"/>
		<updated>2025-07-21T07:37:58Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Added review by Hammond and Scull&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;{{book&lt;br /&gt;
| title=The Gallant Edith Bratt&lt;br /&gt;
| image = The Gallant Edith Bratt.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
| foreword=&lt;br /&gt;
| introduction=&lt;br /&gt;
| author=Nancy Bunting and Seamus Hamill-Keays&lt;br /&gt;
| editor=&lt;br /&gt;
| illustrator=&lt;br /&gt;
| publisher=[[Walking Tree Publishers]]&lt;br /&gt;
| date=[[19 August]] [[2021]]&lt;br /&gt;
| format=Paperback&lt;br /&gt;
| pages=258&lt;br /&gt;
| isbn= 978-3-905703-46-7&lt;br /&gt;
| series=[[Cormarë Series]]&lt;br /&gt;
| precededby=[[Tolkien and the Classical World]]&lt;br /&gt;
| followedby=[[Nólë Hyarmenillo]]&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;The Gallant Edith Bratt&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; is a biographical work on [[Edith Tolkien]] by Nancy Bunting and Seamus Hamill-Keays. The book re-examines Edith&#039;s role in J.R.R. Tolkien&#039;s life, looking at documentary evidence and the role Edith played in Tolkien&#039;s literary creation. It was published as No. 46 in the &#039;&#039;[[Cormarë Series]]&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Contents==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*  Series&#039; Editors Preface&lt;br /&gt;
* Acknowledgements&lt;br /&gt;
* Introduction &lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 1: In the Beginning&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 2: Childhood&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 3: Dresden House, 1903-1907&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 4: The Faulkners&#039;, Birmingham, 1908-1910&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 5: Charlton Kings, 1910-1913&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 6: Waiting in Warwick, 1913-1915&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 7: Waiting in Warwick, 1915-1916&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 8: Edith Bratt Tolkien Confronts the War, 1916&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 9: Edith Bratt Tolkien&#039;s Wanderings, 1917&lt;br /&gt;
* Chapter 10: Edith: Creation, Subcreation, and Tinúviel/Lúthien&lt;br /&gt;
* Epilogue&lt;br /&gt;
* Appendix Concerning Tolkien and Sanskrit&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==From the publisher==&lt;br /&gt;
{{blockquote|Who was Edith Bratt? Millions saw Hollywood&#039;s fantasy version of J.R.R. Tolkien&#039;s one and only love, Edith Bratt, in the 2019 movie, &#039;&#039;Tolkien&#039;&#039;. Fact, though, is stranger than fiction, and more interesting. Edith&#039;s story reveals a gallant heroine suffering under &amp;quot;The Shadow of the Past.&amp;quot; Edith was Ronald&#039;s &amp;quot;lover,&amp;quot; and much like her mother, Edith risked all for the man she loved. New research finds a financially independent and strong woman who was not only John Ronald&#039;s equal, but his muse, his anchor of stability in the present, and his hope for the future.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Admirers, enthusiasts, and students of Tolkien will find much new material to enrich their understanding and appreciation of Tolkien. Placing the development of John Ronald Tolkien&#039;s Elvish languages, mythology, and art during the crucial years of 1916-18 in a new biographical context that includes the importance and significance of Edith Bratt culminates in the pivotal story of Lúthien and Beren with new unsuspected sources and the complementary artwork of &#039;&#039;The Fair Towns of Holy Tol Eressëa&#039;&#039;. A fresh awareness of the compelling and pervasive influence and effect of Tolkien&#039;s biography on his oeuvre suggests new views and possibilities for further investigations. }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Reception==&lt;br /&gt;
The book was reviewed by [[Shaun Gunner]], Chair of [[The Tolkien Society]] in the journal &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&#039;&#039;. In reviewing the book, Gunner said he felt had done a &amp;quot;genuinely thorough job in looking into Edith’s early life and upbringing, teaching about her family, education, wealth and accommodation.&amp;quot; However, he critiqued the book as &amp;quot;incomplete&amp;quot; for only covering her life from her birth to 1917, for making their own suppositions, and for &amp;quot;pointed&amp;quot; critiques of [[Humphrey Carpenter]]&#039;s [[J.R.R. Tolkien: A Biography|biography of Tolkien]]. He concluded he could only &amp;quot;partially&amp;quot; recommend the work.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Shaun Gunner]], review of &#039;&#039;The Gallant Edith Bratt&#039;&#039; in [[Mallorn 63|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 63]], ed. Luke Shelton, pp. 47-8&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Christina Scull]] and [[Wayne G. Hammond]], writing in the &#039;&#039;[[Journal of Tolkien Research]]&#039;&#039;, took a similar line to Gunner and concluded: &amp;quot;Bunting and Hamill-Keays’s book [..] is haphazardly argued, excessively speculative, and sometimes vituperative, and cannot be recommended except for the few new facts it firmly documents.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Christina Scull]] and [[Wayne G. Hammond]], review of &#039;&#039;The Gallant Edith Bratt&#039;&#039; in &#039;&#039;[[Journal of Tolkien Research]]&#039;&#039;: Vol. 14: Iss. 2, Article 1.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;br /&gt;
{{Reflist}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.walking-tree.org/books/gallant_edith_bratt.php Official product page]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/full/10.3366/ink.2022.0140 Review by Giovanni Carmine Costabile for &#039;&#039;Journal of Inklings Studies&#039;&#039;]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://dc.swosu.edu/mythlore/vol41/iss2/26/ Review by María Fernández Portaencasa in &#039;&#039;Mythlore&#039;&#039;]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://scholar.valpo.edu/journaloftolkienresearch/vol14/iss2/1/ Review by Wayne G. Hammond and Christina Scull in &#039;&#039;Journal of Tolkien Research&#039;&#039;]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Cormarë}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{title|italics}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{DEFAULTSORT:Gallant Edith Bratt}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Publications by title]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Scholarly books]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[fi:The Gallant Edith Bratt]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
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| image = The Tolkien Society - logo.png&lt;br /&gt;
| founded=6 November 1969 (informal)&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 17&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;15 January 1972 (formal)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;7 July 1977 (charitable status)&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CC&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityFramework.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=273809&amp;amp;SubsidiaryNumber=0|articlename=Charity framework - The Tolkien Society|dated=|website=[http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/ The Charity Commission]|accessed=30 June 2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
| founder=[[Vera Chapman]]&lt;br /&gt;
| location=England (registered address)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Worldwide (members)&lt;br /&gt;
| type=Educational charity, fan club, academic society&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;The Tolkien Society&#039;&#039;&#039; is an international fan club and educational charity based in the United Kingdom, with the purpose of educating the public in the life and works of J.R.R. Tolkien. Founded in [[1969]] with the blessing of J.R.R. Tolkien, it has expanded its membership across the United Kingdom, Europe and the world. Its President is Tolkien, the Vice-president is [[Priscilla Tolkien]]; since [[2025]], [[Shaun Gunner]] has been the Society&#039;s Chief Executive Officer.&lt;br /&gt;
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==History==&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society was formed in 1969 by [[Vera Chapman]], an [[University of Oxford|Oxford]]-educated retired teacher/civil servant, who, horrified at the annexation of Tolkien&#039;s works by &#039;the drugs-orientated writings of hippiedom&#039;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Charles Noad|Charles E. Noad]], &#039;The Early Days of the Tolkien Society&#039;, [[A Long-expected Party: Progress Report 1|&#039;&#039;A Long-expected Party: Progress Report&#039;&#039; 1]], p. 10&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; decided to form a group dedicated to the true appreciation of Tolkien&#039;s works.&lt;br /&gt;
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On [[6 November]] [[1969]], Chapman announced the formation of the Tolkien Society in the United Kingdom in the &#039;&#039;New Statesman&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{CG|II}}, p. 287&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Initially London-based, the Society would meet in Chapman&#039;s North London flat; they kept in communication via a photocopied newsletter called &#039;&#039;[[Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet]]&#039;&#039; (Chapman had adopted the name &amp;quot;[[Belladonna Took]]&amp;quot; as her Middle-earth alias), which was first published in December 1969.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; The Society&#039;s inaugural meeting was held in January [[1970]],&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; and its constitution was ratified on [[15 January]] [[1972]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Tolkien Society grew steadily, and Chapman willingly passed over responsibility for the bulletin to other hands whilst a more scholarly publication, &amp;quot;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&amp;quot; also appeared. &#039;&#039;Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet&#039;&#039; went through a number of identity changes, being &amp;quot;Henneth Annun&amp;quot; for one issue before its then editor, John Martin, adopted its current name: &amp;quot;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Society also undertook a pilgrimage to [[Oxford]], exploring the colleges and sites relevant to J.R.R. Tolkien&#039;s life. Visit was made to [[Wolvercote Cemetery]] where wreaths in tribute were laid. At that first visit, it was found that a wild bramble had rooted in the topsoil of the grave. This was rapidly uprooted, and the Society offered to buy a rose plant, the offer of which [[Priscilla Tolkien]] - Tolkien&#039;s only daughter - accepted. The weekend event culminated with a visit to the home of Priscilla Tolkien.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[2014]], the Society inaugurated its annual &#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Tolkien Society Awards|Awards]]&#039;&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2014/03/new-tolkien-society-awards/|articlename=Awards|date=17 March 2014|website=TS|accessed=15 December 2022}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Relations with J.R.R. Tolkien==&lt;br /&gt;
In 1972 [[wikipedia:New Year Honours|New Year Honours]], Tolkien was made a [[Order of the British Empire|CBE]] (Commander of the Order of the British Empire) just two days before his birthday. [[Allen and Unwin|Allen &amp;amp; Unwin]] had encouraged the Tolkien Society to write to Tolkien on the occasion, and they sent the following telegram:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|CONGRATULATIONS ON 80TH BIRTHDAY AND HONOUR. ANOTHER 50 YEARS TO BEAT THE OLD TOOK.&amp;lt;BR/&amp;gt;THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY (IN BRITAIN)|The Tolkien Society&#039;s telegram to J.R.R. Tolkien&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 21&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Society also published a congratulatory message in &#039;&#039;The Times&#039;&#039; on the [[3 January]] in the &#039;BIRTHDAYS&#039; section: &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;TOLKIEN. Professor J. R. R. Tolkien, C.B.E. Congratulations on your 80th birthday. &#039;Elen sila lumenn&#039; omentielmo.&#039; The Tolkien Society.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; As a birthday present, the Society also sent him a green china tobacco jar - designed with a huntsman and a white deer - which included best Latakia Mixture tobacco; attached was the following note:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|FROM all Hobbits, Elves, Elf-friends, Dwarves, Ents, Numenoreans, Rohirrim, etc. etc. etc. of the TOLKIEN SOCIETY (in Britain) with love and honour and hearty congratulations, to the creator of so much wonder. Although not to be compared with the true LONGBOTTOM LEAF, we hope that this will at least raise a few smoke-rings of happy recollection.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY|The Tolkien Society&#039;s message to J.R.R. Tolkien on his birthday&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Joy Hill]], Tolkien&#039;s secretary, phoned Vera Chapman on the 3 January and said, &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Of all the tributes he received, this was the one that gave the greatest pleasure.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; A month later, [[Letter to Vera Chapman and the Tolkien Society|he wrote to her]]:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|Dear Mrs. Chapman,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;May I thank you and the Tolkien Society for your good wishes and kind gift on my 80th birthday. I appreciated your generosity very much indeed.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Best wishes,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Yours sincerely,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;J.R.R. Tolkien [signed]|[[Letter to Vera Chapman and the Tolkien Society|Letter from J.R.R. Tolkien to Vera Chapman]], dated [[6 February]] [[1972]]&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===President===&lt;br /&gt;
On the [[27 June]] [[1972]], Vera Chapman was invited to a sherry party by [[Rayner Unwin]], where she met Tolkien himself. After exchanging a few words with him about the [[Belladonna Took|belladonna]] plant, she asked if he would would be willing to be the Society&#039;s honorary president; he said &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Certainly&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; before concluding, &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;If I can help your society in any way, I will&#039;&#039;.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-22&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 22&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Following the death of J.R.R. Tolkien on [[2 September]] [[1973]], the Tolkien Society offered the post of Honorary President to [[Christopher Tolkien]], Tolkien&#039;s son, but Christopher declined saying he thought the his father should remain president forever. At the [[wiktionary:AGM|AGM]] on [[16 February]] [[1974]] the motion was passed that J.R.R. Tolkien should remain the Honorary President &#039;&#039;in perpetuo&#039;&#039;; he remains the Society&#039;s president to this day.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-23&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 23&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Leadership==&lt;br /&gt;
The Society is primarily volunteer-run organisation, governed by a Board of Trustees with the President and Vice-president as purely honorary positions. Historically, the Chair of the Trustees led the Board and represented the Society both internally and externally; however, since [[1 June]] [[2025]], [[Shaun Gunner]] has served as the Society&#039;s Chief Executive Officer in leading the organisation, responsible to the Board.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2025/06/tolkien-society-appoints-new-chief-executive/|articlename=Tolkien Society appoints new Chief Executive|date=2 June 2025|website=TS|accessed=2 June 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Chief Executives===&lt;br /&gt;
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|- style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-2);&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
!   !! Name !! Start of term !! End of term !! Duration&lt;br /&gt;
|- style=&amp;quot;font-color var(--tg-color-emphasized);&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
| 1 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Shaun Gunner]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;1 June 2025&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;present&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;{{#expr: {{#time: z}} -150}} days&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
===Chairs===&lt;br /&gt;
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The following is a list of chairs of The Tolkien Society; in April 2017 the Society replaced the title &amp;quot;Chairman&amp;quot; with &amp;quot;Chair&amp;quot;. &#039;&#039;Italic text&#039;&#039; indicates an acting chairman who was appointed, rather than elected.&lt;br /&gt;
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{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable sortable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|- style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-2);&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
!   !! Name !! Start of term !! End of term !! Duration&lt;br /&gt;
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|   || &#039;&#039;[[Vera Chapman]]&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;29 January 1970&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;20 November 1970&#039;&#039; ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.296&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;296 days&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| 1 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Keith Bridges]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 20 November 1970&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chairman from 20 November 1970 to 15 January 1972.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; || 17 February 1973 || 2 years, 89 days&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| 2 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Hartley Patterson]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 18 February 1973 || 16 February 1974 ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.363&amp;quot;| 363 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 3 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Jonathan Simons]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 17 February 1974 || 28 April 1984 || 10 years, 71 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 4 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Brin Dunsire]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 29 April 1984 || 16 April 1988 || 3 years, 354 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 5 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Alex Lewis]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 17 April 1988 || 11 April 1992 || 3 years, 360 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 6 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Amanda Campbell|Amanda Fingleson]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 12 April 1992 || 20 April 1996 || 4 years, 9 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 7 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Chris Crawshaw]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 21 April 1996 || 19 April 2008 || 11 years, 364 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 8 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Matthew Vernon]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 20 April 2008 || 8 January 2009 ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.264&amp;quot;|264 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 9 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Sally Kennett]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 8 January 2009&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chairman from 8 January 2009 to 25 April 2009.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; || 20 April 2013 || 4 years, 102 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 10 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Shaun Gunner]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 21 April 2013 || 31 May 2025 ||  12 years, 41 days&lt;br /&gt;
|- style=&amp;quot;font-color var(--tg-color-emphasized);&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|   || &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;Daniel Helen&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;1 June 2025&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;present&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;{{#expr: {{#time: z}} -150}}&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;{{#expr: {{#time: z}} -150}} days&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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;Notes&lt;br /&gt;
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==Publications==&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet]]&#039;&#039;, the first bulletin of The Tolkien Society.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&#039;&#039; is the bulletin of the Society and is published six times a year.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Amon&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ts_info/amonhen.html|articlename=Amon Hen - The bulleting of the Tolkien Society|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&#039;&#039; is the journal of the Society and is currently published once a year, in the Spring.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ts_info/mallorn.html|articlename=Mallorn - The Journal of the Tolkien Society|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Quettar]]&#039;&#039; was the journal of the Linguistic Fellowship of The Tolkien Society.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Events==&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society organises the following events each year:&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Birthday Toast|The Birthday Toast]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is held on [[3 January]] (Tolkien&#039;s birthday) every year. The Society encourages Tolkien fans from across the world to toast the Professor at 9pm wherever they are.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Reading Day]]&#039;&#039;&#039;, held annually on [[25 March]], is an international event which promotes the reading of Tolkien&#039;s works.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Annual General Meeting and Springmoot&#039;&#039;&#039; involves a meeting where formal business (with regard to the running of the Tolkien Society) is discussed, followed by a semi-formal dinner with a guest speaker. It is held over a weekend each April.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;AGM&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/agm/|articlename=About The Annual General Meeting|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Society Awards]]&#039;&#039;&#039; are announced during the dinner of this event.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/society/awards/|articlename=Awards|website=TS|accessed=15 December 2022}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Seminar&#039;&#039;&#039; is an event which consists of a programme of talks on a Tolkien-related theme. It is held most summers (around June or July).&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Seminar&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/seminar/|articlename=Seminar home page|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Oxonmoot]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is a convention held at an Oxford college on the weekend closest to [[22 September]], [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] and [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]]&#039;s birthday.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Oxonmoot&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/oxon/|articlename=Oxonmoot index page|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Westmoot]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is a new convention aimed at US members of the Society that will take place annually in [[Wikipedia:Kansas City, Missouri|Kansas City, Missouri]]. The first event is due to held on Friday [[May 9]] - Sunday [[May 11]] [[2025]] at the [[Wikipedia:National World War I Museum and Memorial|National World War I Museum and Memorial]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/events/westmoot-2025/|articlename=Westmoot 2025|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=28-November-2024}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society also organises large conferences in order to celebrate an anniversary around J.R.R. Tolkien and/or his works. Past events:&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference|The J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Keble College (in [[Oxford]], England) in [[1992]]. It celebrated the centenary of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]&#039;s birth. It was organised in conjunction with the [[Mythopoeic Society]] and was a combination of Oxonmoot 1992 and Mythcon 23.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Centenary&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/1992/index.html|articlename=Tolkien Centenary Conference 1992|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien 2005|Tolkien 2005: The Ring Goes Ever On]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Aston University (in Birmingham, England) in [[2005]]. It celebrated the fiftieth anniversary of the complete publication of &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Tolkien2005&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/2005/about.html|articlename=About Tolkien 2005|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Return of the Ring|The Return of the Ring: Celebrating Tolkien in 2012]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Loughborough University (in Leicestershire, England) in [[2012]]. It celebrated the seventy-fifth anniversary of the publication of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit]]&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Return&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.returnofthering.org/index.php|articlename=The Return of the Ring - Celebrating Tolkien in 2012|website=[http://www.returnofthering.org/ The Return of the Ring]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Plaques and Memorials]]&lt;br /&gt;
==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[http://www.tolkiensociety.org Official website]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://twitter.com/TolkienSociety Twitter feed]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.facebook.com/TheTolkienSociety Facebook page]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.facebook.com/groups/TheTolkienSociety.EducationalCharity/ Facebook group]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>31 May</title>
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&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;noinclude&amp;gt;{{month|May}}&lt;br /&gt;
Events that occurred on 31 May.&lt;br /&gt;
==On Earth==&lt;br /&gt;
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* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1912]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - German translator [[Margaret Carroux]] is born.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1944]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] writes [[Letter 72]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1981]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - The thirteenth episode of the [[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|1981 radio adaptation]] of &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039; is aired on [[BBC|BBC Radio 4]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2018]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit Facsimile Gift Edition]]&#039;&#039; is published in the [[wikipedia:United Kingdom|UK]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2025]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - After 12 years in the role, [[Shaun Gunner]] steps down as Chair of [[The Tolkien Society]] to become its first Chief Executive Officer. He is succeeded as Acting Chair by Daniel Helen.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2025/06/tolkien-society-appoints-new-chief-executive/|articlename=Tolkien Society appoints new Chief Executive|date=2 June 2025|website=TS|accessed=2 June 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==In Arda==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Note: Months of the [[Shire Calendar]] only have 30 days, so no events have nor will happen on the 31st.&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;noinclude&amp;gt;{{references}}[[Category:Dates|152]][[fi:31. toukokuuta]]&amp;lt;/noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=2025&amp;diff=420989</id>
		<title>2025</title>
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		<updated>2025-06-02T15:27:47Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Added entry&lt;/p&gt;
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==March==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;25&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Tales of the Shire: A &amp;quot;The Lord of the Rings&amp;quot; Game]]&#039;&#039; is scheduled to be released.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==May==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[31 May|31]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - After 12 years in the role, [[Shaun Gunner]] steps down as Chair of [[The Tolkien Society]] to become its first Chief Executive Officer. He is succeeded as Acting Chair by Daniel Helen.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2025/06/tolkien-society-appoints-new-chief-executive/|articlename=Tolkien Society appoints new Chief Executive|date=2 June 2025|website=TS|accessed=2 June 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==June==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1 June|1]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Shaun Gunner]] is appointed Chief Executive Officer of [[The Tolkien Society]], having previously served over 12 years as Chair.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2025/06/tolkien-society-appoints-new-chief-executive/|articlename=Tolkien Society appoints new Chief Executive|date=2 June 2025|website=TS|accessed=2 June 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{years|2022|2023|2024|2025|2026|2027|2028}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{references}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Years (real-world)]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=2025&amp;diff=420988</id>
		<title>2025</title>
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		<updated>2025-06-02T15:25:49Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Added entry&lt;/p&gt;
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==March==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;25&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Tales of the Shire: A &amp;quot;The Lord of the Rings&amp;quot; Game]]&#039;&#039; is scheduled to be released.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==June==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1 June|1]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Shaun Gunner]] is appointed Chief Executive Officer of [[The Tolkien Society]], having previously served over 12 years as Chair.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2025/06/tolkien-society-appoints-new-chief-executive/|articlename=Tolkien Society appoints new Chief Executive|date=2 June 2025|website=TS|accessed=2 June 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{years|2022|2023|2024|2025|2026|2027|2028}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{references}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Years (real-world)]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=1_June&amp;diff=420987</id>
		<title>1 June</title>
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		<updated>2025-06-02T15:25:10Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Added entry&lt;/p&gt;
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Events that occurred on 1 June.&lt;br /&gt;
==On Earth==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1840]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[George Tolkien]] dies.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1914]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[George Sayer]], friend of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], is born.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1917]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] is considered fit for general service again.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1917]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Edith Tolkien]] writes her final letter to her husband at Thirtle Bridge army camp, near Withernsea from her lodgings in Hornsea.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1946]]&#039;&#039;&#039; -  Actor [[Brian Cox]] is born.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1961]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] writes [[Letter to Jan Broberg|a letter to Jan Broberg]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1966]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] writes [[Letter to Royston F. Porthouse|a letter to Royston F. Porthouse]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1984]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Moria: The Dwarven City]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2005]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien and the Great War]]&#039;&#039; is released in paperback in the US.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2006]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Studies: Volume 3]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2017]] - &#039;&#039;[[Beren and Lúthien]]&#039;&#039; is published in the UK and Europe.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2018]] - &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien: Maker of Middle-earth]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien: Treasures]]&#039;&#039; are published, accompanying the exhibition &amp;quot;Tolkien: Maker of Middle-earth&amp;quot; by [[Bodleian Library]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2025]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Shaun Gunner]] is appointed Chief Executive Officer of [[The Tolkien Society]], having previously served over 12 years as Chair.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2025/06/tolkien-society-appoints-new-chief-executive/|articlename=Tolkien Society appoints new Chief Executive|date=2 June 2025|website=TS|accessed=2 June 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==In Arda==&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;There are no known events on this day.&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{references}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Dates|153]][[fi:1. kesäkuuta]]&amp;lt;/noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>Template:Tolkiensociety</title>
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		<updated>2025-06-02T15:22:07Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Updated new Chair and CEO&lt;/p&gt;
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! align=center style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-5);&amp;quot; colspan=&amp;quot;3&amp;quot; | &#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Tolkien Society]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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| align=&amp;quot;center&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-4); font-size: 90%;&amp;quot; colspan=&amp;quot;3&amp;quot; | President: &#039;&#039;&#039;[[J.R.R. Tolkien]]&#039;&#039;&#039; · Vice-president: &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Priscilla Tolkien]]&#039;&#039;&#039; · CEO: &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Shaun Gunner]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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! align=&amp;quot;right&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-4);  padding-right: 4px;&amp;quot; | Topics&lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;font-size: 90%; padding-left: 4px;&amp;quot; colspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;| [[The Tolkien Society#History|History]] ([[Letter to Vera Chapman and the Tolkien Society]]) · Archives · [[The Tolkien Society Awards|Awards]] · [[Enyalië]] · [[Smials|Smials]] · Tolkien to the World · [[Tolkien fandom]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
! align=&amp;quot;right&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-4);  padding-right: 4px;&amp;quot; | Chairs&lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;font-size: 90%; padding-left: 4px;&amp;quot; colspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;[[Vera Chapman]]&#039;&#039; (1970) · [[Keith Bridges]] (1970-1973) · [[Hartley Patterson]] (1973-1974) · [[Jonathan Simons]] (1974-1984) · [[Brin Dunsire]] (1984-1988) · [[Alex Lewis]] (1988-1992) · [[Amanda Campbell|Amanda Fingleson]] (1992-1996) · [[Chris Crawshaw]] (1996-2008) · [[Matthew Vernon]] (2008-2009) · [[Sally Kennett]] (2009-2013) · [[Shaun Gunner]] (2013-2025) · &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;Daniel Helen (2013-2025)&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
! align=&amp;quot;right&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-4); padding-left: 4px;  padding-right: 4px;&amp;quot; | Annual&amp;amp;nbsp;Events&lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;font-size: 90%; padding-left: 4px;&amp;quot; colspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;| [[Birthday Toast]] (3 January) · [[Tolkien Reading Day]] (25 March) · AGM and Springmoot (April) · Seminar (July) · [[Oxonmoot]] (September)&lt;br /&gt;
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! align=&amp;quot;right&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-4);  padding-right: 4px;&amp;quot; | Conferences&lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;font-size: 90%; padding-left: 4px;&amp;quot; colspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Oxonmoot]] (annual, 1974-present)&#039;&#039;&#039; · &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Westmoot]] (annual, commencing 2025)&#039;&#039;&#039; · [[J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference]] (1992) · [[Tolkien 2005|Tolkien 2005: The Ring Goes Ever On]] (2005) · [[The Return of the Ring]] (2012) · [[Tolkien 2019]] (2019)&lt;br /&gt;
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! align=&amp;quot;right&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-4);  padding-right: 4px;&amp;quot; rowspan=&amp;quot;3&amp;quot; | [[:Category:Publications by the Tolkien Society|Publications]]&lt;br /&gt;
! align=&amp;quot;right&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-3); padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px;&amp;quot; | Journals&lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;font-size: 90%; padding-left: 4px;&amp;quot; |&#039;&#039;[[Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet]]&#039;&#039; (1969-1970) · &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&#039;&#039; (1970-present)&#039;&#039;&#039; · &#039;&#039;[[The Tolkien Society Bulletin]]&#039;&#039; (1970-1971) · &#039;&#039;[[Andúril (UK)|Andúril]]&#039;&#039; (1972) · &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&#039;&#039; (1972-present)&#039;&#039;&#039; · &#039;&#039;[[Quettar]]&#039;&#039; (1980-1995)&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
! align=&amp;quot;right&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-3); padding-left: 4px; padding-right: 4px;&amp;quot; | Books&lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;font-size: 90%; padding-left: 4px;&amp;quot; | &#039;&#039;[[An Extrapolation on The Silmarillion]]&#039;&#039; (1975) · &#039;&#039;The Trees, the Jewels and the Rings&#039;&#039; (1977) · &#039;&#039;Tolkien in Oxford: The Tolkien Society Guide&#039;&#039; (1978) · &#039;&#039;The Tolkien Society Songbook&#039;&#039; (1985) · &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien and Romanticism]]&#039;&#039; (1988) · &#039;&#039;[[Proceedings of the J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference]]&#039;&#039; (1995) · &#039;&#039;The Oxonmoot Songbook&#039;&#039; (1997) · &#039;&#039;The Filking Songbook&#039;&#039; (2001) · &#039;&#039;[[The Tolkien Society Guide to Oxford]]&#039;&#039; (2005) · &#039;&#039;[[The Ring Goes Ever On: Proceedings of the Tolkien 2005 Conference|Proceedings of the Tolkien 2005 Conference]]&#039;&#039; (2008) · &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien 2005 Souvenir Book]]&#039;&#039; (2009) · &#039;&#039;[[The Return Of The Ring: Proceedings of the Tolkien Society Conference 2012|Proceedings of the Tolkien Society Conference 2012]]&#039;&#039; (2016)&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
! align=&amp;quot;right&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-3); padding-left: 4px;  padding-right: 4px;&amp;quot; | [[Peter Roe Memorial Fund|Peter Roe Books]]&lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;font-size: 90%; padding-left: 4px;&amp;quot; | &#039;&#039;&#039;1.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Some Light on Middle-earth]]&#039;&#039; (1985) · &#039;&#039;&#039;2.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Leaves from the Tree]]&#039;&#039; (1991) · &#039;&#039;&#039;3.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[The First and Second Ages]]&#039;&#039; (1992) · &#039;&#039;&#039;4.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Travel and Communication in Tolkien&#039;s Worlds]]&#039;&#039; (1996) · &#039;&#039;&#039;5.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Digging Potatoes, Growing Trees|Digging Potatoes, Growing Trees, vol. 1]]&#039;&#039; (1997) · &#039;&#039;&#039;6.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Digging Potatoes, Growing Trees|Digging Potatoes, Growing Trees, vol. 2]]&#039;&#039; (1998) · &#039;&#039;&#039;7.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien, the Sea and Scandinavia]]&#039;&#039; (1999) · &#039;&#039;&#039;8.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[The Ways of Creative Mythologies]]&#039;&#039; (2000) · &#039;&#039;&#039;9.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien: A Mythology for England?]]&#039;&#039; (2000) · &#039;&#039;&#039;10.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[The Best of Amon Hen|The Best of Amon Hen, vol. 1]]&#039;&#039; (2000) · &#039;&#039;&#039;11.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Digging Potatoes, Growing Trees|Digging Potatoes, Growing Trees, vol. 3]]&#039;&#039; (2001) · &#039;&#039;&#039;12.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Sindarin Lexicon]]&#039;&#039; (2001) · &#039;&#039;&#039;13.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[The Best of Amon Hen|The Best of Amon Hen, vol. 2]]&#039;&#039; (2002) · &#039;&#039;&#039;14.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien: Influenced and Influencing]]&#039;&#039; (2005)· &#039;&#039;&#039;15.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Freedom, Fate and Choice in Middle-earth]]&#039;&#039; (2012) · &#039;&#039;&#039;16.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Journeys &amp;amp; Destinations]]&#039;&#039; (2015) · &#039;&#039;&#039;17.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Death and Immortality in Middle-earth]]&#039;&#039; (2017) · &#039;&#039;&#039;18.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Poetry and Song in the works of J.R.R. Tolkien]]&#039;&#039; (2018) · &#039;&#039;&#039;19.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien the Pagan?]]&#039;&#039; (2019) · &#039;&#039;&#039;20.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Adapting Tolkien]]&#039;&#039; (2021) · &#039;&#039;&#039;21.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Twenty-first Century Receptions of Tolkien]]&#039;&#039; (2022) · &#039;&#039;&#039;22.&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien and Diversity]]&#039;&#039; (2023)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Shaun Gunner</title>
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		<updated>2025-06-02T15:20:53Z</updated>

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| born=[[4 March]], [[1988]]&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;birthday&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://twitter.com/ShaunGunner/status/970418118668546048?s=19|articlename=&amp;quot;Shaun Gunner on Twitter&amp;quot;|website=[http://www.twitter.com Twitter]|dated=4 March 2018|accessed=21 January 2021}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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| education=University of Sussex&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;LinkedIn&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.linkedin.com/in/shaungunner|articlename=Shaun Gunner|accessed=21 January 2021|website=[http://www.linkedin.com/ LinkedIn]}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
| occupation=CEO of [[The Tolkien Society]]&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;LinkedIn&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
| location=Rustington, United Kingdom&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Arun&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://democracy.arun.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=225|articlename=Councillor Shaun Gunner|accessed=21 January 2021|website=[http://www.arun.gov.uk Arun District Council]}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Shaun Gunner&#039;&#039;&#039; is the Chief Executive Officer of the of [[The Tolkien Society]].&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2025/06/tolkien-society-appoints-new-chief-executive/|articlename=Tolkien Society appoints new Chief Executive|date=2 June 2025|website=TS|accessed=2 June 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Twitter&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; Gunner previously served for over 12 years as the Chair of the Society, making him the longest-serving Chair in the Society&#039;s history. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Gunner has also served as the Society&#039;s publicity officer,  was the Deputy Chair of [[The Return of the Ring|The Return of the Ring: Celebrating Tolkien in 2012]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Lyn Whitaker, &amp;quot;Along the Road&amp;quot;, [[Amon Hen 234|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 234]], p. 8&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and was responsible for the [[Tolkien 2019]] event. He has also contributed to the journals &#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&#039;&#039;, &#039;&#039;[[Hither Shore (journal)|Hither Shore]]&#039;&#039;, and &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He is an administrator ([[User:Mith]]) of the [[Tolkien Gateway]] website, and an advisor and assistant to [[Emil Johansson]]&#039;s [[The Lord of the Rings Project]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Shaun Gunner, &amp;quot;Member Profile&amp;quot;, [[Amon Hen 235|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 235]], pp. 33-34&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Gunner is also a regular commentator on Tolkien and adaptations in the media, and was a guest co-host of [[The Prancing Pony Podcast]] in the 2022-3 season.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;PPP&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://theprancingponypodcast.com/about|articlename=About|dated=|website=[https://theprancingponypodcast.com/about The Prancing Pony Podcast]|accessed=23 July 2023}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Gunner is a politics graduate and lives in [[Wikipedia:Rustington|Rustington]], [[Wikipedia:Sussex|Sussex]].&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Twitter&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://twitter.com/#!/@ShaunGunner|articlename=Shaun Gunner|dated=|website=[http://twitter.com Twitter.com]|accessed=20 June 2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://archiver.co/profile/shaungunner|articlename=Shaun Gunner|dated=|website=[http://archiver.co/ Archiver.co]|accessed=20 June 2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He is an elected councillor for his area - serving as Leader of the Council between 2021 and 2023&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;ADC&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://democracy.arun.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=255|articlename=Councillor Shaun Gunner|dated=|website=[https://www.arun.gov.uk Arun District Council]|accessed=23 July 2023}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - and formerly chaired the mental health charity [https://mkcharity.org/ Mankind].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bibliography==&lt;br /&gt;
===Articles===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2012]]: [[Amon Hen 234|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 234]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;[[Birthday Toast#Tolkien Society tradition|Birthday Toast]] - A Report&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2012]]: [[Amon Hen 235|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 235]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Along the Road - Three months to go&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Member Profile&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2012]]: [[Amon Hen 236|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 236]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Glorfindel(s), I Miss You!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2013]]: [[Amon Hen 240|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 240]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;The Hobbit Premiere: An Unexpected Pleasure&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2013]]: [[Amon Hen 241|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 241]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chairman&#039;s Update&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2013]]: [[Hither Shore 9|&#039;&#039;Hither Shore&#039;&#039; 9]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Two Swedish Interviews with J.R.R. Tolkien&amp;quot; (co-editor with [[Morgan Thomsen]])&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2013]]: [[Amon Hen 244|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 244]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chairman&#039;s Update&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2014]]: [[Amon Hen 247|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 247]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chairman&#039;s Update&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2015]]: [[Amon Hen 254|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 254]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chairman&#039;s Report&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2015]]: [[Amon Hen 255|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 255]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chairman&#039;s Additional &#039;Thank You&#039;&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2016]]: &#039;&#039;[[Songs of Sorrow and Hope|Songs of Sorrow and Hope: The Art of Jenny Dolfen]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** Foreword&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2016]]: &#039;&#039;[[The Return Of The Ring: Proceedings of the Tolkien Society Conference 2012]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** Foreword&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2017]]: [[Amon Hen 267|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 267]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chair&#039;s Report&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chair&#039;s &#039;Thank You&#039;&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2018]]: [[Amon Hen 272|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 272]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chair&#039;s Message&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2019]]: [[Amon Hen 275|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 275]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chair&#039;s Chapter&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2020]]: &#039;&#039;[[The First and Second Ages]]&#039;&#039; (second edition)&lt;br /&gt;
** Foreword&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Reviews===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2013]]: [[Mallorn 54|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 54]] &lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;A journey to the cinema&amp;quot; (review of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]]&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2014]]: [[Mallorn 55|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 55]] &lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Votes for [[Tauriel]] - but not the love&amp;quot; (review of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug]]&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2015]]: [[Amon Hen 254|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 254]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey: Chronicles: Art &amp;amp; Design]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[A Tolkien Bestiary|Tolkien: A Dictionary]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2015]]: [[Amon Hen 255|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 255]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey: Chronicles: Creatures &amp;amp; Characters]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[A Tolkien Treasury (miniature edition)|A Tolkien Treasury]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2015]]: [[Mallorn 56|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 56]] &lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2016]]: [[Amon Hen 259|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 259]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug: Chronicles: Art &amp;amp; Design]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien: The Illustrated Encyclopedia|Tolkien - An Illustrated Atlas]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2017]]: [[Amon Hen 267|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 267]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;The Battles of Tolkien&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2020]]: [[Mallorn 61|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 61]] &lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Worlds of J.R.R. Tolkien]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2022]]: [[Mallorn 63|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 63]] &lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Gallant Edith Bratt]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Interviews===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[17 May]], [[2012]]: &#039;&#039;[[Middle-earth Network Specials]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://menetspecials.mymiddleearth.com/podcast/menet-specials-16-the-return-of-the-ring/ Middle-earth Network Specials 16: The Return Of The Ring]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[19 June]], [[2012]]: &#039;&#039;[http://www.aldasaga.com/ Aldasaga]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://www.aldasaga.com/shownotes/Tolkien_and_Old_Norse_8.html Race Profiles I: of Álfar and Elves: featured guests Shaun Gunner &amp;amp; Ármann Jakobsson]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[24 August]], [[2012]]: [[Middle-earth Network|Middle-earth Network News]]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://news.mymiddleearth.com/2012/08/24/return-of-the-ring-2012-wrap-up-interview/ Return of the Ring Wrap-up Interview]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[22 September]], [[2012]]: &#039;&#039;[[Silver Leaves (podcast)|Silver Leaves]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://whitetreefund.org/multimedia/silver-leaves-podcast/episode-archive/episode-1/ Long-Expected Parties – Hobbit Day Celebrations Worldwide]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[7 August]], [[2014]]: &#039;&#039;TheOnering.net&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2014/08/07/92174-torn-talks-to-shaun-gunner-chairman-of-the-tolkien-society/ TORn talks to Shaun Gunner, Chairman of The Tolkien Society]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[13 September]] [[2014]]: &#039;&#039;[http://theworldofsmart.com/ The World of SMART]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://theworldofsmart.com/interview-with-shaun-gunner-of-the-tolkien-society/ Interview with Shaun Gunner of the Tolkien Society]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[20 August]] [[2015]]: &#039;&#039;[http://www.scififantasynetwork.com/ SciFi and Fantasy Network]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://www.scififantasynetwork.com/shaun-gunner-on-the-tolkien-society/ Shaun Gunner On The Tolkien Society]&lt;br /&gt;
* November [[2015]]: &#039;&#039;[[Fan Phenomena: The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Fan Appreciation - Shaun Gunner&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[28 February]] [[2020]]: &#039;&#039;[[The Tolkien Experience| The Tolkien Experience Podcast]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;[https://luke-shelton.com/2020/02/28/tep-5-shaun-gunner/ #5 - Shaun Gunner]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
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		<title>Shaun Gunner</title>
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		<updated>2025-06-02T15:20:20Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Updated new role from Chair to CEO&lt;/p&gt;
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| image=&lt;br /&gt;
| name=Shaun Gunner&lt;br /&gt;
| born=[[4 March]], [[1988]]&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;birthday&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://twitter.com/ShaunGunner/status/970418118668546048?s=19|articlename=&amp;quot;Shaun Gunner on Twitter&amp;quot;|website=[http://www.twitter.com Twitter]|dated=4 March 2018|accessed=21 January 2021}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
| died=&lt;br /&gt;
| education=University of Sussex&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;LinkedIn&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.linkedin.com/in/shaungunner|articlename=Shaun Gunner|accessed=21 January 2021|website=[http://www.linkedin.com/ LinkedIn]}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
| occupation=CEO of [[The Tolkien Society]]&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;LinkedIn&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
| location=Rustington, United Kingdom&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Arun&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://democracy.arun.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=225|articlename=Councillor Shaun Gunner|accessed=21 January 2021|website=[http://www.arun.gov.uk Arun District Council]}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
| website=[http://www.shaungunner.com shaungunner.com]&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Shaun Gunner&#039;&#039;&#039; is the Chief Executive Officer of the of [[The Tolkien Society]].&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2025/06/tolkien-society-appoints-new-chief-executive/|articlename=Tolkien Society appoints new Chief Executive|date=2 June 2025|website=TS|accessed=2 June 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Twitter&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; Gunner previously served for over 12 years as the Chair of the Society, making been the longest-serving Chair in the Society&#039;s history. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Gunner has also served as the Society&#039;s publicity officer,  was the Deputy Chair of [[The Return of the Ring|The Return of the Ring: Celebrating Tolkien in 2012]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Lyn Whitaker, &amp;quot;Along the Road&amp;quot;, [[Amon Hen 234|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 234]], p. 8&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and was responsible for the [[Tolkien 2019]] event. He has also contributed to the journals &#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&#039;&#039;, &#039;&#039;[[Hither Shore (journal)|Hither Shore]]&#039;&#039;, and &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He is an administrator ([[User:Mith]]) of the [[Tolkien Gateway]] website, and an advisor and assistant to [[Emil Johansson]]&#039;s [[The Lord of the Rings Project]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Shaun Gunner, &amp;quot;Member Profile&amp;quot;, [[Amon Hen 235|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 235]], pp. 33-34&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Gunner is also a regular commentator on Tolkien and adaptations in the media, and was a guest co-host of [[The Prancing Pony Podcast]] in the 2022-3 season.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;PPP&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://theprancingponypodcast.com/about|articlename=About|dated=|website=[https://theprancingponypodcast.com/about The Prancing Pony Podcast]|accessed=23 July 2023}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Gunner is a politics graduate and lives in [[Wikipedia:Rustington|Rustington]], [[Wikipedia:Sussex|Sussex]].&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Twitter&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://twitter.com/#!/@ShaunGunner|articlename=Shaun Gunner|dated=|website=[http://twitter.com Twitter.com]|accessed=20 June 2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://archiver.co/profile/shaungunner|articlename=Shaun Gunner|dated=|website=[http://archiver.co/ Archiver.co]|accessed=20 June 2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He is an elected councillor for his area - serving as Leader of the Council between 2021 and 2023&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;ADC&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://democracy.arun.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=255|articlename=Councillor Shaun Gunner|dated=|website=[https://www.arun.gov.uk Arun District Council]|accessed=23 July 2023}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - and formerly chaired the mental health charity [https://mkcharity.org/ Mankind].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Bibliography==&lt;br /&gt;
===Articles===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2012]]: [[Amon Hen 234|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 234]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;[[Birthday Toast#Tolkien Society tradition|Birthday Toast]] - A Report&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2012]]: [[Amon Hen 235|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 235]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Along the Road - Three months to go&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Member Profile&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2012]]: [[Amon Hen 236|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 236]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Glorfindel(s), I Miss You!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2013]]: [[Amon Hen 240|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 240]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;The Hobbit Premiere: An Unexpected Pleasure&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2013]]: [[Amon Hen 241|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 241]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chairman&#039;s Update&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2013]]: [[Hither Shore 9|&#039;&#039;Hither Shore&#039;&#039; 9]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Two Swedish Interviews with J.R.R. Tolkien&amp;quot; (co-editor with [[Morgan Thomsen]])&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2013]]: [[Amon Hen 244|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 244]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chairman&#039;s Update&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2014]]: [[Amon Hen 247|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 247]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chairman&#039;s Update&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2015]]: [[Amon Hen 254|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 254]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chairman&#039;s Report&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2015]]: [[Amon Hen 255|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 255]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chairman&#039;s Additional &#039;Thank You&#039;&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2016]]: &#039;&#039;[[Songs of Sorrow and Hope|Songs of Sorrow and Hope: The Art of Jenny Dolfen]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** Foreword&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2016]]: &#039;&#039;[[The Return Of The Ring: Proceedings of the Tolkien Society Conference 2012]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** Foreword&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2017]]: [[Amon Hen 267|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 267]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chair&#039;s Report&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chair&#039;s &#039;Thank You&#039;&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2018]]: [[Amon Hen 272|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 272]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chair&#039;s Message&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2019]]: [[Amon Hen 275|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 275]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chair&#039;s Chapter&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2020]]: &#039;&#039;[[The First and Second Ages]]&#039;&#039; (second edition)&lt;br /&gt;
** Foreword&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Reviews===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2013]]: [[Mallorn 54|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 54]] &lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;A journey to the cinema&amp;quot; (review of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]]&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2014]]: [[Mallorn 55|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 55]] &lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Votes for [[Tauriel]] - but not the love&amp;quot; (review of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug]]&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2015]]: [[Amon Hen 254|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 254]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey: Chronicles: Art &amp;amp; Design]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[A Tolkien Bestiary|Tolkien: A Dictionary]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2015]]: [[Amon Hen 255|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 255]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey: Chronicles: Creatures &amp;amp; Characters]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[A Tolkien Treasury (miniature edition)|A Tolkien Treasury]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2015]]: [[Mallorn 56|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 56]] &lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2016]]: [[Amon Hen 259|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 259]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug: Chronicles: Art &amp;amp; Design]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien: The Illustrated Encyclopedia|Tolkien - An Illustrated Atlas]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2017]]: [[Amon Hen 267|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 267]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;The Battles of Tolkien&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2020]]: [[Mallorn 61|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 61]] &lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Worlds of J.R.R. Tolkien]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2022]]: [[Mallorn 63|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 63]] &lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Gallant Edith Bratt]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Interviews===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[17 May]], [[2012]]: &#039;&#039;[[Middle-earth Network Specials]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://menetspecials.mymiddleearth.com/podcast/menet-specials-16-the-return-of-the-ring/ Middle-earth Network Specials 16: The Return Of The Ring]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[19 June]], [[2012]]: &#039;&#039;[http://www.aldasaga.com/ Aldasaga]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://www.aldasaga.com/shownotes/Tolkien_and_Old_Norse_8.html Race Profiles I: of Álfar and Elves: featured guests Shaun Gunner &amp;amp; Ármann Jakobsson]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[24 August]], [[2012]]: [[Middle-earth Network|Middle-earth Network News]]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://news.mymiddleearth.com/2012/08/24/return-of-the-ring-2012-wrap-up-interview/ Return of the Ring Wrap-up Interview]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[22 September]], [[2012]]: &#039;&#039;[[Silver Leaves (podcast)|Silver Leaves]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://whitetreefund.org/multimedia/silver-leaves-podcast/episode-archive/episode-1/ Long-Expected Parties – Hobbit Day Celebrations Worldwide]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[7 August]], [[2014]]: &#039;&#039;TheOnering.net&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2014/08/07/92174-torn-talks-to-shaun-gunner-chairman-of-the-tolkien-society/ TORn talks to Shaun Gunner, Chairman of The Tolkien Society]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[13 September]] [[2014]]: &#039;&#039;[http://theworldofsmart.com/ The World of SMART]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://theworldofsmart.com/interview-with-shaun-gunner-of-the-tolkien-society/ Interview with Shaun Gunner of the Tolkien Society]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[20 August]] [[2015]]: &#039;&#039;[http://www.scififantasynetwork.com/ SciFi and Fantasy Network]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://www.scififantasynetwork.com/shaun-gunner-on-the-tolkien-society/ Shaun Gunner On The Tolkien Society]&lt;br /&gt;
* November [[2015]]: &#039;&#039;[[Fan Phenomena: The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Fan Appreciation - Shaun Gunner&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[28 February]] [[2020]]: &#039;&#039;[[The Tolkien Experience| The Tolkien Experience Podcast]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;[https://luke-shelton.com/2020/02/28/tep-5-shaun-gunner/ #5 - Shaun Gunner]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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| founded=6 November 1969 (informal)&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 17&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;15 January 1972 (formal)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;7 July 1977 (charitable status)&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CC&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityFramework.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=273809&amp;amp;SubsidiaryNumber=0|articlename=Charity framework - The Tolkien Society|dated=|website=[http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/ The Charity Commission]|accessed=30 June 2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
| founder=[[Vera Chapman]]&lt;br /&gt;
| location=England (registered address)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Worldwide (members)&lt;br /&gt;
| type=Educational charity, fan club, academic society&lt;br /&gt;
| keypeople=[[J.R.R. Tolkien]] (President)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;[[Priscilla Tolkien]] (Vice-President)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;[[Shaun Gunner]] (CEO)&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
| members=3,801&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Hannah McDonald, &amp;quot;Behind Glass Doors&amp;quot; in Amanda Drake et al. (eds.), &#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen 310]]&#039;&#039;, p. 28&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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| products=&#039;&#039;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;The Tolkien Society&#039;&#039;&#039; is an international fan club and educational charity based in the United Kingdom, with the purpose of educating the public in the life and works of J.R.R. Tolkien. Founded in [[1969]] with the blessing of J.R.R. Tolkien, it has expanded its membership across the United Kingdom, Europe and the world. Its President is Tolkien, the Vice-president is [[Priscilla Tolkien]]; since [[2025]], [[Shaun Gunner]] has been the Society&#039;s Chief Executive Officer.&lt;br /&gt;
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==History==&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society was formed in 1969 by [[Vera Chapman]], an [[University of Oxford|Oxford]]-educated retired teacher/civil servant, who, horrified at the annexation of Tolkien&#039;s works by &#039;the drugs-orientated writings of hippiedom&#039;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Charles Noad|Charles E. Noad]], &#039;The Early Days of the Tolkien Society&#039;, [[A Long-expected Party: Progress Report 1|&#039;&#039;A Long-expected Party: Progress Report&#039;&#039; 1]], p. 10&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; decided to form a group dedicated to the true appreciation of Tolkien&#039;s works.&lt;br /&gt;
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On [[6 November]] [[1969]], Chapman announced the formation of the Tolkien Society in the United Kingdom in the &#039;&#039;New Statesman&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{CG|II}}, p. 287&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Initially London-based, the Society would meet in Chapman&#039;s North London flat; they kept in communication via a photocopied newsletter called &#039;&#039;[[Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet]]&#039;&#039; (Chapman had adopted the name &amp;quot;[[Belladonna Took]]&amp;quot; as her Middle-earth alias), which was first published in December 1969.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; The Society&#039;s inaugural meeting was held in January [[1970]],&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; and its constitution was ratified on [[15 January]] [[1972]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Tolkien Society grew steadily, and Chapman willingly passed over responsibility for the bulletin to other hands whilst a more scholarly publication, &amp;quot;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&amp;quot; also appeared. &#039;&#039;Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet&#039;&#039; went through a number of identity changes, being &amp;quot;Henneth Annun&amp;quot; for one issue before its then editor, John Martin, adopted its current name: &amp;quot;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Society also undertook a pilgrimage to [[Oxford]], exploring the colleges and sites relevant to J.R.R. Tolkien&#039;s life. Visit was made to [[Wolvercote Cemetery]] where wreaths in tribute were laid. At that first visit, it was found that a wild bramble had rooted in the topsoil of the grave. This was rapidly uprooted, and the Society offered to buy a rose plant, the offer of which [[Priscilla Tolkien]] - Tolkien&#039;s only daughter - accepted. The weekend event culminated with a visit to the home of Priscilla Tolkien.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[2014]], the Society inaugurated its annual &#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Tolkien Society Awards|Awards]]&#039;&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2014/03/new-tolkien-society-awards/|articlename=Awards|date=17 March 2014|website=TS|accessed=15 December 2022}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Relations with J.R.R. Tolkien==&lt;br /&gt;
In 1972 [[wikipedia:New Year Honours|New Year Honours]], Tolkien was made a [[Order of the British Empire|CBE]] (Commander of the Order of the British Empire) just two days before his birthday. [[Allen and Unwin|Allen &amp;amp; Unwin]] had encouraged the Tolkien Society to write to Tolkien on the occasion, and they sent the following telegram:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|CONGRATULATIONS ON 80TH BIRTHDAY AND HONOUR. ANOTHER 50 YEARS TO BEAT THE OLD TOOK.&amp;lt;BR/&amp;gt;THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY (IN BRITAIN)|The Tolkien Society&#039;s telegram to J.R.R. Tolkien&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 21&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Society also published a congratulatory message in &#039;&#039;The Times&#039;&#039; on the [[3 January]] in the &#039;BIRTHDAYS&#039; section: &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;TOLKIEN. Professor J. R. R. Tolkien, C.B.E. Congratulations on your 80th birthday. &#039;Elen sila lumenn&#039; omentielmo.&#039; The Tolkien Society.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; As a birthday present, the Society also sent him a green china tobacco jar - designed with a huntsman and a white deer - which included best Latakia Mixture tobacco; attached was the following note:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|FROM all Hobbits, Elves, Elf-friends, Dwarves, Ents, Numenoreans, Rohirrim, etc. etc. etc. of the TOLKIEN SOCIETY (in Britain) with love and honour and hearty congratulations, to the creator of so much wonder. Although not to be compared with the true LONGBOTTOM LEAF, we hope that this will at least raise a few smoke-rings of happy recollection.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY|The Tolkien Society&#039;s message to J.R.R. Tolkien on his birthday&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Joy Hill]], Tolkien&#039;s secretary, phoned Vera Chapman on the 3 January and said, &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Of all the tributes he received, this was the one that gave the greatest pleasure.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; A month later, [[Letter to Vera Chapman and the Tolkien Society|he wrote to her]]:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|Dear Mrs. Chapman,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;May I thank you and the Tolkien Society for your good wishes and kind gift on my 80th birthday. I appreciated your generosity very much indeed.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Best wishes,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Yours sincerely,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;J.R.R. Tolkien [signed]|[[Letter to Vera Chapman and the Tolkien Society|Letter from J.R.R. Tolkien to Vera Chapman]], dated [[6 February]] [[1972]]&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===President===&lt;br /&gt;
On the [[27 June]] [[1972]], Vera Chapman was invited to a sherry party by [[Rayner Unwin]], where she met Tolkien himself. After exchanging a few words with him about the [[Belladonna Took|belladonna]] plant, she asked if he would would be willing to be the Society&#039;s honorary president; he said &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Certainly&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; before concluding, &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;If I can help your society in any way, I will&#039;&#039;.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-22&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 22&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Following the death of J.R.R. Tolkien on [[2 September]] [[1973]], the Tolkien Society offered the post of Honorary President to [[Christopher Tolkien]], Tolkien&#039;s son, but Christopher declined saying he thought the his father should remain president forever. At the [[wiktionary:AGM|AGM]] on [[16 February]] [[1974]] the motion was passed that J.R.R. Tolkien should remain the Honorary President &#039;&#039;in perpetuo&#039;&#039;; he remains the Society&#039;s president to this day.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-23&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 23&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Leadership==&lt;br /&gt;
The Society is primarily volunteer-run organisation, governed by a Board of Trustees with the President and Vice-president as purely honorary positions. Historically, the Chair of the Trustees led the Board and represented the Society both internally and externally; however, since [[1 June]] [[20255], [[Shaun Gunner]] has served as the Society&#039;s Chief Executive Officer in leading the organisation, responsible to the Board.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2025/06/tolkien-society-appoints-new-chief-executive/|articlename=Tolkien Society appoints new Chief Executive|date=2 June 2025|website=TS|accessed=2 June 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Chief Executives===&lt;br /&gt;
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|- style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-2);&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
!   !! Name !! Start of term !! End of term !! Duration&lt;br /&gt;
|- style=&amp;quot;font-color var(--tg-color-emphasized);&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
| 1 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Shaun Gunner]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;1 June 2025&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;present&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;{{#expr: {{#time: z}} -150}} days&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
===Chairs===&lt;br /&gt;
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The following is a list of chairs of The Tolkien Society; in April 2017 the Society replaced the title &amp;quot;Chairman&amp;quot; with &amp;quot;Chair&amp;quot;. &#039;&#039;Italic text&#039;&#039; indicates an acting chairman who was appointed, rather than elected.&lt;br /&gt;
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{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable sortable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|- style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-2);&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
!   !! Name !! Start of term !! End of term !! Duration&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|   || &#039;&#039;[[Vera Chapman]]&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;29 January 1970&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;20 November 1970&#039;&#039; ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.296&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;296 days&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| 1 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Keith Bridges]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 20 November 1970&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chairman from 20 November 1970 to 15 January 1972.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; || 17 February 1973 || 2 years, 89 days&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| 2 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Hartley Patterson]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 18 February 1973 || 16 February 1974 ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.363&amp;quot;| 363 days&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| 3 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Jonathan Simons]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 17 February 1974 || 28 April 1984 || 10 years, 71 days&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| 4 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Brin Dunsire]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 29 April 1984 || 16 April 1988 || 3 years, 354 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 5 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Alex Lewis]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 17 April 1988 || 11 April 1992 || 3 years, 360 days&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| 6 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Amanda Campbell|Amanda Fingleson]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 12 April 1992 || 20 April 1996 || 4 years, 9 days&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| 7 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Chris Crawshaw]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 21 April 1996 || 19 April 2008 || 11 years, 364 days&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| 8 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Matthew Vernon]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 20 April 2008 || 8 January 2009 ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.264&amp;quot;|264 days&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| 9 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Sally Kennett]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 8 January 2009&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chairman from 8 January 2009 to 25 April 2009.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; || 20 April 2013 || 4 years, 102 days&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| 10 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Shaun Gunner]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 21 April 2013 || 31 May 2025 ||  12 years, 41 days&lt;br /&gt;
|- style=&amp;quot;font-color var(--tg-color-emphasized);&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|   || &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;Daniel Helen&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CEO&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;1 June 2025&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;present&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;{{#expr: {{#time: z}} -150}}&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;{{#expr: {{#time: z}} -150}} days&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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;Notes&lt;br /&gt;
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==Publications==&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet]]&#039;&#039;, the first bulletin of The Tolkien Society.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&#039;&#039; is the bulletin of the Society and is published six times a year.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Amon&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ts_info/amonhen.html|articlename=Amon Hen - The bulleting of the Tolkien Society|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&#039;&#039; is the journal of the Society and is currently published once a year, in the Spring.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ts_info/mallorn.html|articlename=Mallorn - The Journal of the Tolkien Society|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Quettar]]&#039;&#039; was the journal of the Linguistic Fellowship of The Tolkien Society.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Events==&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society organises the following events each year:&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Birthday Toast|The Birthday Toast]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is held on [[3 January]] (Tolkien&#039;s birthday) every year. The Society encourages Tolkien fans from across the world to toast the Professor at 9pm wherever they are.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Reading Day]]&#039;&#039;&#039;, held annually on [[25 March]], is an international event which promotes the reading of Tolkien&#039;s works.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Annual General Meeting and Springmoot&#039;&#039;&#039; involves a meeting where formal business (with regard to the running of the Tolkien Society) is discussed, followed by a semi-formal dinner with a guest speaker. It is held over a weekend each April.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;AGM&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/agm/|articlename=About The Annual General Meeting|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Society Awards]]&#039;&#039;&#039; are announced during the dinner of this event.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/society/awards/|articlename=Awards|website=TS|accessed=15 December 2022}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Seminar&#039;&#039;&#039; is an event which consists of a programme of talks on a Tolkien-related theme. It is held most summers (around June or July).&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Seminar&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/seminar/|articlename=Seminar home page|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Oxonmoot]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is a convention held at an Oxford college on the weekend closest to [[22 September]], [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] and [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]]&#039;s birthday.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Oxonmoot&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/oxon/|articlename=Oxonmoot index page|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Westmoot]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is a new convention aimed at US members of the Society that will take place annually in [[Wikipedia:Kansas City, Missouri|Kansas City, Missouri]]. The first event is due to held on Friday [[May 9]] - Sunday [[May 11]] [[2025]] at the [[Wikipedia:National World War I Museum and Memorial|National World War I Museum and Memorial]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/events/westmoot-2025/|articlename=Westmoot 2025|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=28-November-2024}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society also organises large conferences in order to celebrate an anniversary around J.R.R. Tolkien and/or his works. Past events:&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference|The J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Keble College (in [[Oxford]], England) in [[1992]]. It celebrated the centenary of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]&#039;s birth. It was organised in conjunction with the [[Mythopoeic Society]] and was a combination of Oxonmoot 1992 and Mythcon 23.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Centenary&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/1992/index.html|articlename=Tolkien Centenary Conference 1992|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien 2005|Tolkien 2005: The Ring Goes Ever On]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Aston University (in Birmingham, England) in [[2005]]. It celebrated the fiftieth anniversary of the complete publication of &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Tolkien2005&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/2005/about.html|articlename=About Tolkien 2005|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Return of the Ring|The Return of the Ring: Celebrating Tolkien in 2012]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Loughborough University (in Leicestershire, England) in [[2012]]. It celebrated the seventy-fifth anniversary of the publication of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit]]&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Return&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.returnofthering.org/index.php|articlename=The Return of the Ring - Celebrating Tolkien in 2012|website=[http://www.returnofthering.org/ The Return of the Ring]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Plaques and Memorials]]&lt;br /&gt;
==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[http://www.tolkiensociety.org Official website]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://twitter.com/TolkienSociety Twitter feed]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.facebook.com/TheTolkienSociety Facebook page]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.facebook.com/groups/TheTolkienSociety.EducationalCharity/ Facebook group]&lt;br /&gt;
{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:The Tolkien Society| ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[fi:The Tolkien Society]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=1_June&amp;diff=420982</id>
		<title>1 June</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: /* On Earth */ Corrected and added in Beren and Luthien. Why it was removed inaccurately I do not know.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;noinclude&amp;gt;{{month|June}}&lt;br /&gt;
Events that occurred on 1 June.&lt;br /&gt;
==On Earth==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1840]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[George Tolkien]] dies.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1914]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[George Sayer]], friend of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], is born.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1917]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] is considered fit for general service again.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1917]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Edith Tolkien]] writes her final letter to her husband at Thirtle Bridge army camp, near Withernsea from her lodgings in Hornsea.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1946]]&#039;&#039;&#039; -  Actor [[Brian Cox]] is born.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1961]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] writes [[Letter to Jan Broberg|a letter to Jan Broberg]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1966]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] writes [[Letter to Royston F. Porthouse|a letter to Royston F. Porthouse]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1984]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Moria: The Dwarven City]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2005]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien and the Great War]]&#039;&#039; is released in paperback in the US.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2006]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Studies: Volume 3]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2017]] - &#039;&#039;[[Beren and Lúthien]]&#039;&#039; is published in the UK and Europe.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2018]] - &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien: Maker of Middle-earth]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien: Treasures]]&#039;&#039; are published, accompanying the exhibition &amp;quot;Tolkien: Maker of Middle-earth&amp;quot; by [[Bodleian Library]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==In Arda==&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;There are no known events on this day.&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;noinclude&amp;gt;[[Category:Dates|153]][[fi:1. kesäkuuta]]&amp;lt;/noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=4_May&amp;diff=420981</id>
		<title>4 May</title>
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		<updated>2025-06-02T15:01:45Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Removed inacccurate date&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;noinclude&amp;gt;{{month|May}}&lt;br /&gt;
Events that occurred on 4 May.&lt;br /&gt;
==On Earth==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1944]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] writes [[Letter 65]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1944]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - While writing on &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039;, [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] sees a new character arrive on the scene. He later [[Letter 66|comments]]: &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;(I am sure I did not invent him, I did not even want him, though I like him, but there he came walking into the woods of [[Ithilien]]): [[Faramir]], brother of [[Boromir]]&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1958]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] writes [[Letter 209]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1981]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - Actor [[Trystan Gravelle]] is born.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2003]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - Artist [[Ben Lee]] dies.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2012]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[JRR Tolkien: The True Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039;, a graphic novel, is published.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==In Arda==&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;There are no known events for this day.&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;noinclude&amp;gt;[[Category:Dates|125]][[fi:4. toukokuuta]]&amp;lt;/noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=2017&amp;diff=420980</id>
		<title>2017</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Corrected date&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{year-header}}&lt;br /&gt;
==January==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[3 January|3]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Birthday Toast#Tolkien Society tradition|Birthday Toast]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[27 January|27]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - Actor [[John Hurt]] dies.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[30 January|30]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - Actor [[Victor Platt]] dies.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;?&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen 263]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;?&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 57]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==February==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2 February|2]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit Movie Trilogy Colouring Book]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==March==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[14 March|14]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Bodleian Library]] announce the book &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien: Maker of Middle-earth|Tolkien: The Maker of Middle-earth]]&#039;&#039; to go alongside their forthcoming exhibition.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[25 March|25]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Tolkien Reading Day]]. [[The Tolkien Society]] hosts a storytelling of &#039;&#039;[[Mr. Bliss]]&#039;&#039; at [http://www.storymuseum.org.uk/ The Story Museum], [[Oxford]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[28 March|28]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[John Ronald&#039;s Dragons: The Story of J.R.R. Tolkien]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;?&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen 264]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==May==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;?&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen 265]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==June==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1 June|1]] - &#039;&#039;[[Beren and Lúthien]]&#039;&#039; is published.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==July==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2 July|2]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[The Tolkien Society]] Seminar at the Hilton, [[Leeds]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[3 July|3]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - A [[Lawsuits|lawsuit]] was settled between [[Warner Bros.]] and [[Tolkien Estate]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[14 July|14]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[J.R.R. Tolkien the Esperantist: Before the Arrival of Bilbo Baggins]] is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[21 July|21]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[J.R.R. Tolkien: Romanticist and Poet]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[31 July|31]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings Online: Mordor]]&#039;&#039; is released online. &lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;?&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen 266]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==August==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[10 August|10]]-[[13 August|13]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Omentielva|Omentielva Otsea]] - the Seventh International Conference on [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]&#039;s Invented Languages at [[wikipedia:California State University, East Bay|California State University, East Bay]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[31 August|31]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Calendar 2018]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;?&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Christopher Tolkien]] resigns from his appointment as director of the [[Tolkien Estate]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==September==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[15 September|15]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - The revised edition of &#039;&#039;[[Aragorn: J.R.R. Tolkien&#039;s Undervalued Hero]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[21 September|21]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - The deluxe boxed set edition of &#039;&#039;[[The History of Middle-earth]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[21 September|21]] - [[24 September|24]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Oxonmoot 2017]] at [http://www.sant.ox.ac.uk St Antony&#039;s College].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[30 September|30]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[J.R.R. Tolkien: Romanticist and Poet]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;?&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen 267]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==October==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[8 October|8]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Binding Them All]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[9 October|9]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - Filming began on [[Tolkien (film)|&#039;&#039;Tolkien&#039;&#039; (film)]], directed by [[Dome Karukoski]] and written by [[David Gleeson]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[10 October|10]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Middle-earth: Shadow of War]]&#039;&#039; is released.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[12 October|12]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Flora of Middle-Earth|Flora of Middle-Earth: Plants of J.R.R. Tolkien&#039;s Legendarium]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[19 October|19]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Middle-earth: From Script to Screen|Middle-earth: From Script to Screen: Building the World of The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[19 October|19]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[The Middle-earth Treasury]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[24 October|24]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Faith Faulconbridge]] dies.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[26 October|26]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Roger Garland]] dies.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==November==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[2 November|2]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - The second edition of &#039;&#039;[[The J.R.R. Tolkien Companion and Guide]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[13 November|13]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - [[Amazon.com Incorporated|Amazon]] acquires the global television rights for the books [[The Lord of the Rings]] and [[The Hobbit]] from [[Tolkien Estate]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[30 November|30]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[The Sweet and the Bitter|The Sweet and the Bitter: Death and Dying in J. R. R. Tolkien&#039;s the Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;?&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen 268]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;?&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 58]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==December==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[1 December|1]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[Death and Immortality in Middle-earth]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[17 December|17]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[There Would Always Be a Fairy Tale|&amp;quot;There Would Always Be a Fairy Tale&amp;quot;: Essays on Tolkien&#039;s Middle-earth]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[[22 December|22]]&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[The Inklings and King Arthur]]&#039;&#039; is published&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;?&#039;&#039;&#039; - &#039;&#039;[[The Flame Imperishable: Tolkien, St. Thomas, and the Metaphysics of Faerie]]&#039;&#039; is published.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{years|2014|2015|2016|2017|2018|2019|2020}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Years (real-world)]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
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		<title>Beren and Lúthien</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Corrected date&lt;/p&gt;
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{{disambig-two|the book published in 2017|chapter in &#039;&#039;[[The Silmarillion]]&#039;&#039;|[[Of Beren and Lúthien]]}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{book&lt;br /&gt;
| title=Beren and Lúthien&lt;br /&gt;
| image = Beren and Lúthien 2017.png&lt;br /&gt;
| author=[[J.R.R. Tolkien]]&lt;br /&gt;
| editor=[[Christopher Tolkien]]&lt;br /&gt;
| illustrator=[[Alan Lee]]&lt;br /&gt;
| publisherUK=[[HarperCollins]]&lt;br /&gt;
| publisherUS=[[Houghton Mifflin]]&lt;br /&gt;
| date=[[1 June]] [[2017]]&lt;br /&gt;
| format=Hardcover; paperback; deluxe edition&lt;br /&gt;
| pages=288&lt;br /&gt;
| isbn=0008214190&lt;br /&gt;
| precededby=[[A Secret Vice: Tolkien on Invented Languages]] (2016)&lt;br /&gt;
| followedby=[[The Fall of Gondolin]] (2018)&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;Beren and Lúthien&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; is a collection of writings by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], edited by [[Christopher Tolkien]] as a single book, published on [[1 June]] [[2017]]. It contains the various versions of the story previously published throughout the volumes of &#039;&#039;[[The History of Middle-earth]]&#039;&#039;. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The common plot is the story of the love and adventures of the mortal [[Men|Man]] [[Beren]] and the immortal [[Elf]]-maiden [[Lúthien]], and how they stole a [[Silmaril]] from the [[Dark Lord]] [[Morgoth]]&#039;s crown.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Tolkien wrote several versions of their story, the latest published in &#039;&#039;[[The Silmarillion]]&#039;&#039;, although the tale is also mentioned in &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The story is one of three &amp;quot;[[Atanatárion|great tales]]&amp;quot; set in the [[First Age]] of Tolkien&#039;s [[Middle-earth]], the other two being &#039;&#039;[[The Children of Húrin]]&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;[[The Fall of Gondolin]]&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Synopsis==&lt;br /&gt;
The tale of Beren and Lúthien was, or became, an essential element in the evolution of the mythology of ancient [[Arda]] (the Creation through the [[First Age]]) conceived by J.R.R. Tolkien, which were published as &#039;&#039;[[The Silmarillion]]&#039;&#039;. Returning from France and the battle of the Somme at the end of 1916, he wrote the tale in the following year.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Essential to the story, and never changed, is the fate that shadowed the love of Beren and Lúthien: for Beren was a mortal man, but Lúthien was an immortal elf. Her father, a great elvish lord, in deep opposition to Beren, imposed on him an impossible task that he must perform before he might wed Lúthien. This is the kernel of the legend; and it leads to the supremely heroic attempt of Beren and Lúthien together to rob the greatest of all evil beings, Melkor, called &#039;&#039;Morgoth&#039;&#039;, the Black Enemy, of a Silmaril. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In this book Christopher Tolkien has attempted to extract the story of Beren and Lúthien from the comprehensive work in which it was embedded; but that story was itself changing as it developed new associations within the larger history. To show something of the process whereby this legend of Middle-earth evolved over the years, he has told the story in his father&#039;s own words by giving, first, its original form, and then passages in prose and verse from later texts that illustrate the narrative as it changed. Presented together for the first time, they reveal aspects of the story, both in event and in narrative immediacy, that were afterwards lost. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Contents==&lt;br /&gt;
* Preface&lt;br /&gt;
* Notes on the Elder Days&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Beren and Lúthien&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:{|&lt;br /&gt;
|◦ &#039;&#039;[[The Tale of Tinúviel]]&#039;&#039; || [&#039;&#039;[[The Book of Lost Tales: Part Two|LT II]]&#039;&#039;, [[The Tale of Tinúviel|ch. 1]]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|◦ A Passage from the &#039;[[Sketch of the Mythology]]&#039; || [&#039;&#039;[[The Shaping of Middle-earth|Shaping]]&#039;&#039;, [[The Earliest &#039;Silmarillion&#039;|ch. 2]]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|◦ A Passage Extracted from &#039;&#039;[[The Lay of Leithian]]&#039;&#039; || [&#039;&#039;[[The Lays of Beleriand|Lays]]&#039;&#039;, [[The Lay of Leithian|ch. 3]], [[Lay of Leithian Canto II|canto II]]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|◦ The &#039;&#039;[[The Quenta#Qenta Noldorinwa|Quenta Noldorinwa]]&#039;&#039; || [&#039;&#039;[[The Shaping of Middle-earth|Shaping]]&#039;&#039;, [[The Quenta|ch. 3]]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|◦ A Passage Extracted from the &#039;&#039;Quenta&#039;&#039; || [&#039;&#039;[[The Shaping of Middle-earth|Shaping]]&#039;&#039;, [[The Quenta|ch. 3]], §9]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|◦ A Second Extract from &#039;&#039;The Lay of Leithian&#039;&#039; || [&#039;&#039;[[The Lays of Beleriand|Lays]]&#039;&#039;, [[The Lay of Leithian|ch. 3]], [[Lay of Leithian Canto VI|cantos VI]]-[[Lay of Leithian Canto VII|VII]]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|◦ A Further Extract from the &#039;&#039;Quenta&#039;&#039; || [&#039;&#039;[[The Shaping of Middle-earth|Shaping]]&#039;&#039;, [[The Quenta|ch. 3]], §10]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|◦ The Narrative of &#039;&#039;The Lay of Leithian&#039;&#039; to Its Termination || [&#039;&#039;[[The Lays of Beleriand|Lays]]&#039;&#039;, [[The Lay of Leithian|ch. 3]], [[Lay of Leithian Canto VIII|cantos VIII]]-[[Lay of Leithian Canto XIV|XIV]]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|◦ The &#039;&#039;[[Quenta Silmarillion (Lost Road)|Quenta Silmarillion]]&#039;&#039; || [&#039;&#039;[[The Lost Road and Other Writings|Lost Road]]&#039;&#039;, pt. 2, [[Quenta Silmarillion (Lost Road)|ch. 6]]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|◦ The Return of Beren and Lúthien According to the &#039;&#039;Quenta Noldorinwa&#039;&#039; || [&#039;&#039;[[The Shaping of Middle-earth|Shaping]]&#039;&#039;, [[The Quenta|ch. 3]], §14]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|◦ Extract from the &#039;&#039;[[The Book of Lost Tales|Lost Tale]]&#039;&#039; of [[the Nauglafring]] || [&#039;&#039;[[The Book of Lost Tales: Part Two|LT II]]&#039;&#039;, [[The Nauglafring|ch. 4]]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|◦ The Morning and Evening Star || [&#039;&#039;[[The Silmarillion|S]]&#039;&#039;, [[Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath|ch. 24]]]&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|◦ Appendix: Revisions to &#039;&#039;The Lay of Leithian&#039;&#039; || [&#039;&#039;[[The Lays of Beleriand|Lays]]&#039;&#039;, [[The Lay of Leithian Recommenced|ch. 4]]]&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
* List of Names&lt;br /&gt;
* Glossary&lt;br /&gt;
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==Conception and development==&lt;br /&gt;
The first iteration of the tale of Beren and Lúthien was written in late [[1917]]&amp;lt;ref name=UnnamedIntro&amp;gt;{{BL|Introduction}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and was one of the first tales written by J.R.R. Tolkien which would form part of his [[legendarium]]. Tolkien later erased this original draft and wrote over it; the resultant text constitutes the earliest surviving copy of the tale, and was named &amp;quot;[[The Tale of Tinúviel]]&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref name=UnnamedIntro/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{LT2|In}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; There are a number of differences present in this early text when compared to the tale in the published version of &#039;&#039;The Silmarillion&#039;&#039;. Notably, Beren is an [[Elf]], the character of [[Felagund]] is not present, and there is no mention of [[Nargothrond]]. This version includes a narrative predecessor to [[Sauron]]: [[Tevildo|Tevildo, Prince of Cats]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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In [[1926]], the tale was incorporated into the earliest known version of what would become The Silmarillion, namely, the [[Sketch of the Mythology]], by Tolkien. This was written as a brief synopsis of events, and would be the first in a line of directly evolving texts that would culminate in the final, published version of The Silmarillion. A notable alteration from the Tale of Tinúviel is that Tolkien had changed Beren to be a [[Men|man]].&amp;lt;ref name=Sketch&amp;gt;{{BL|Sketch}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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During this time, Tolkien composed &#039;&#039;[[The Lay of Leithian]]&#039;&#039; (from [[1925]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{BL| Passage}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; to [[1931]]&amp;lt;ref name=LBLeithian_pp150To151&amp;gt;{{LB|Leithian}}, pp. 150-151&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;), a poem telling the tale of Beren and Lúthien, which was refined to include the characters [[Felagund]], [[Celegorm]] and [[Curufin]], and the Necromancer [[Thû]], the &#039;&#039;direct&#039;&#039; predecessor to the character [[Sauron]]. Tolkien abandoned the Lay before its completion.&amp;lt;ref name=LBLeithian_pp150To151/&amp;gt; Nonetheless, it is still an extensive piece of work, standing at over 4,000 lines long.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Power, Rebecca. &amp;quot;Tolkien&#039;s Penchant for Alliteration: Using XML to Analyze &#039;&#039;The Lay of Leithian&#039;&#039;.&amp;quot; &#039;&#039;Journal of Tolkien Research&#039;&#039; 11.1 (2020): 7.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Subsequent to the Sketch of the Mythology, the &#039;&#039;[[Quenta Noldorinwa]]&#039;&#039; was written in [[1930]]. This was &amp;quot;the only complete and finished version of &#039;&#039;The Silmarillion&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; Tolkien wrote.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{BL|Quenta}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; As in the &#039;&#039;Lay of Leithian&#039;&#039;, the character of Felagund is present in the story of Beren and Lúthien. The next main iteration in development of the tale was also the final version, as found in the &#039;&#039;[[Quenta Silmarillion (Lost Road)|Quenta Silmarillion]]&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Publication history and gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
;UK editions&lt;br /&gt;
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File:Beren and Lúthien 2017.png|2017 hardcover&lt;br /&gt;
File:Beren and Lúthien 2017 deluxe.png|2017 hardcover deluxe edition&lt;br /&gt;
File:Beren and Lúthien 2017 large.png|2017 paperback large print&lt;br /&gt;
File:Beren and Lúthien 2018.png|2018 paperback &lt;br /&gt;
File:Beren and Lúthien 2022.jpeg|2022 paperback&lt;br /&gt;
File:Beren and Lúthien 2023.jpg|2023 paperback&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[HarperCollins]] hardcover ([[2017]]), pp.&amp;amp;nbsp;288. ISBN 0008214190&lt;br /&gt;
*[[HarperCollins]] hardcover with slipcase ([[2017]]), ISBN 0008214204 &lt;br /&gt;
*[[HarperCollins]] paperback ([[2017]]), ISBN 0008248079 - (large print edition)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[HarperCollins]] paperback ([[2018]]), ISBN 0008214220&lt;br /&gt;
*[[HarperCollins]] paperback ([[2022]]), ISBN 0008503966&lt;br /&gt;
*[[HarperCollins]] paperback ([[2023]]), ISBN 0008655650&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*&amp;quot;[[Of Beren and Lúthien]]&amp;quot; (chapter of &#039;&#039;[[The Silmarillion]]&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[The Children of Húrin]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[The Fall of Gondolin]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[:Category:Images from Beren and Lúthien|Images from &#039;&#039;Beren and Lúthien&#039;&#039;]] illustrated by [[Alan Lee]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
*Sherwood Smith, [https://muse.jhu.edu/article/707039 Review of the book], [[Tolkien Studies: Volume 15|Tolkien Studies. 15]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://wayneandchristina.wordpress.com/2016/10/19/beren-and-luthien/ &#039;&#039;Beren and Lúthien&#039;&#039;], by [[Wayne G. Hammond]] and [[Christina Scull]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/2016/10/new-tolkien-book-beren-and-luthien/ New Tolkien book: &#039;&#039;Beren and Lúthien&#039;&#039;], announcement by [[The Tolkien Society]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://johngarth.wordpress.com/2016/10/19/beren-and-luthien-a-centenary-publication/ &#039;&#039;Beren and Lúthien&#039;&#039;, a centenary publication], by [[John Garth]]&lt;br /&gt;
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| image = The Tolkien Society - logo.png&lt;br /&gt;
| founded=6 November 1969 (informal)&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 17&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;15 January 1972 (formal)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;7 July 1977 (charitable status)&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CC&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Showcharity/RegisterOfCharities/CharityFramework.aspx?RegisteredCharityNumber=273809&amp;amp;SubsidiaryNumber=0|articlename=Charity framework - The Tolkien Society|dated=|website=[http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/ The Charity Commission]|accessed=30 June 2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
| founder=[[Vera Chapman]]&lt;br /&gt;
| location=England (registered address)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Worldwide (members)&lt;br /&gt;
| type=Educational charity, fan club, academic society&lt;br /&gt;
| keypeople=[[J.R.R. Tolkien]] (President)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;[[Priscilla Tolkien]] (Vice-President)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;[[Shaun Gunner]] (Chair)&lt;br /&gt;
| members=3,801&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Hannah McDonald, &amp;quot;Behind Glass Doors&amp;quot; in Amanda Drake et al. (eds.), &#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen 310]]&#039;&#039;, p. 28&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;The Tolkien Society&#039;&#039;&#039; is an international fan club and educational charity based in the United Kingdom, with the purpose of educating the public in the life and works of J.R.R. Tolkien. Founded in [[1969]] with the blessing of J.R.R. Tolkien, it has expanded its membership across the United Kingdom, Europe and the world. Its President is Tolkien, the Vice-president is [[Priscilla Tolkien]]; since [[2013]], [[Shaun Gunner]] has been the Society&#039;s Chair.&lt;br /&gt;
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==History==&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society was formed in 1969 by [[Vera Chapman]], an [[University of Oxford|Oxford]]-educated retired teacher/civil servant, who, horrified at the annexation of Tolkien&#039;s works by &#039;the drugs-orientated writings of hippiedom&#039;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Charles Noad|Charles E. Noad]], &#039;The Early Days of the Tolkien Society&#039;, [[A Long-expected Party: Progress Report 1|&#039;&#039;A Long-expected Party: Progress Report&#039;&#039; 1]], p. 10&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; decided to form a group dedicated to the true appreciation of Tolkien&#039;s works.&lt;br /&gt;
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On [[6 November]] [[1969]], Chapman announced the formation of the Tolkien Society in the United Kingdom in the &#039;&#039;New Statesman&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{CG|II}}, p. 287&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Initially London-based, the Society would meet in Chapman&#039;s North London flat; they kept in communication via a photocopied newsletter called &#039;&#039;[[Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet]]&#039;&#039; (Chapman had adopted the name &amp;quot;[[Belladonna Took]]&amp;quot; as her Middle-earth alias), which was first published in December 1969.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; The Society&#039;s inaugural meeting was held in January [[1970]],&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; and its constitution was ratified on [[15 January]] [[1972]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Tolkien Society grew steadily, and Chapman willingly passed over responsibility for the bulletin to other hands whilst a more scholarly publication, &amp;quot;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&amp;quot; also appeared. &#039;&#039;Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet&#039;&#039; went through a number of identity changes, being &amp;quot;Henneth Annun&amp;quot; for one issue before its then editor, John Martin, adopted its current name: &amp;quot;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Society also undertook a pilgrimage to [[Oxford]], exploring the colleges and sites relevant to J.R.R. Tolkien&#039;s life. Visit was made to [[Wolvercote Cemetery]] where wreaths in tribute were laid. At that first visit, it was found that a wild bramble had rooted in the topsoil of the grave. This was rapidly uprooted, and the Society offered to buy a rose plant, the offer of which [[Priscilla Tolkien]] - Tolkien&#039;s only daughter - accepted. The weekend event culminated with a visit to the home of Priscilla Tolkien.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[2014]], the Society inaugurated its annual &#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Tolkien Society Awards|Awards]]&#039;&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2014/03/new-tolkien-society-awards/|articlename=Awards|date=17 March 2014|website=TS|accessed=15 December 2022}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Relations with J.R.R. Tolkien==&lt;br /&gt;
In 1972 [[wikipedia:New Year Honours|New Year Honours]], Tolkien was made a [[Order of the British Empire|CBE]] (Commander of the Order of the British Empire) just two days before his birthday. [[Allen and Unwin|Allen &amp;amp; Unwin]] had encouraged the Tolkien Society to write to Tolkien on the occasion, and they sent the following telegram:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|CONGRATULATIONS ON 80TH BIRTHDAY AND HONOUR. ANOTHER 50 YEARS TO BEAT THE OLD TOOK.&amp;lt;BR/&amp;gt;THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY (IN BRITAIN)|The Tolkien Society&#039;s telegram to J.R.R. Tolkien&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 21&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Society also published a congratulatory message in &#039;&#039;The Times&#039;&#039; on the [[3 January]] in the &#039;BIRTHDAYS&#039; section: &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;TOLKIEN. Professor J. R. R. Tolkien, C.B.E. Congratulations on your 80th birthday. &#039;Elen sila lumenn&#039; omentielmo.&#039; The Tolkien Society.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; As a birthday present, the Society also sent him a green china tobacco jar - designed with a huntsman and a white deer - which included best Latakia Mixture tobacco; attached was the following note:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|FROM all Hobbits, Elves, Elf-friends, Dwarves, Ents, Numenoreans, Rohirrim, etc. etc. etc. of the TOLKIEN SOCIETY (in Britain) with love and honour and hearty congratulations, to the creator of so much wonder. Although not to be compared with the true LONGBOTTOM LEAF, we hope that this will at least raise a few smoke-rings of happy recollection.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY|The Tolkien Society&#039;s message to J.R.R. Tolkien on his birthday&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Joy Hill]], Tolkien&#039;s secretary, phoned Vera Chapman on the 3 January and said, &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Of all the tributes he received, this was the one that gave the greatest pleasure.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; A month later, [[Letter to Vera Chapman and the Tolkien Society|he wrote to her]]:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|Dear Mrs. Chapman,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;May I thank you and the Tolkien Society for your good wishes and kind gift on my 80th birthday. I appreciated your generosity very much indeed.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Best wishes,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Yours sincerely,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;J.R.R. Tolkien [signed]|[[Letter to Vera Chapman and the Tolkien Society|Letter from J.R.R. Tolkien to Vera Chapman]], dated [[6 February]] [[1972]]&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===President===&lt;br /&gt;
On the [[27 June]] [[1972]], Vera Chapman was invited to a sherry party by [[Rayner Unwin]], where she met Tolkien himself. After exchanging a few words with him about the [[Belladonna Took|belladonna]] plant, she asked if he would would be willing to be the Society&#039;s honorary president; he said &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Certainly&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; before concluding, &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;If I can help your society in any way, I will&#039;&#039;.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-22&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 22&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Following the death of J.R.R. Tolkien on [[2 September]] [[1973]], the Tolkien Society offered the post of Honorary President to [[Christopher Tolkien]], Tolkien&#039;s son, but Christopher declined saying he thought the his father should remain president forever. At the [[wiktionary:AGM|AGM]] on [[16 February]] [[1974]] the motion was passed that J.R.R. Tolkien should remain the Honorary President &#039;&#039;in perpetuo&#039;&#039;; he remains the Society&#039;s president to this day.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-23&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 23&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Leadership==&lt;br /&gt;
The Society is a volunteer-run organisation, governed by a Board of Trustees with the President and Vice-president as purely honorary positions. The Chair of the Trustees leads the Board and represents the Society both internally and externally.&lt;br /&gt;
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The following is a list of chairs of The Tolkien Society; in April 2017 the Society replaced the title &amp;quot;Chairman&amp;quot; with &amp;quot;Chair&amp;quot;. &#039;&#039;Italic text&#039;&#039; indicates an acting chairman who was appointed, rather than elected.&lt;br /&gt;
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{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable sortable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|- style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-2);&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
!   !! Name !! Start of term !! End of term !! Duration&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
|   || &#039;&#039;[[Vera Chapman]]&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;29 January 1970&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;20 November 1970&#039;&#039; ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.296&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;296 days&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| 1 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Keith Bridges]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 20 November 1970&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chairman from 20 November 1970 to 15 January 1972.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; || 17 February 1973 || 2 years, 89 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 2 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Hartley Patterson]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 18 February 1973 || 16 February 1974 ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.363&amp;quot;| 363 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 3 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Jonathan Simons]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 17 February 1974 || 28 April 1984 || 10 years, 71 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 4 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Brin Dunsire]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 29 April 1984 || 16 April 1988 || 3 years, 354 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 5 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Alex Lewis]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 17 April 1988 || 11 April 1992 || 3 years, 360 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 6 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Amanda Campbell|Amanda Fingleson]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 12 April 1992 || 20 April 1996 || 4 years, 9 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 7 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Chris Crawshaw]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 21 April 1996 || 19 April 2008 || 11 years, 364 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 8 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Matthew Vernon]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 20 April 2008 || 8 January 2009 ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.264&amp;quot;|264 days&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| 9 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Sally Kennett]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 8 January 2009&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chairman from 8 January 2009 to 25 April 2009.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; || 20 April 2013 || 4 years, 102 days&lt;br /&gt;
|- style=&amp;quot;font-color var(--tg-color-emphasized);&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
| &#039;&#039;&#039;10&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Shaun Gunner]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;21 April 2013&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;present&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039; 12 years, {{#expr: {{#time: z}} +-109}} days&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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;Notes&lt;br /&gt;
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==Publications==&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet]]&#039;&#039;, the first bulletin of The Tolkien Society.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&#039;&#039; is the bulletin of the Society and is published six times a year.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Amon&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ts_info/amonhen.html|articlename=Amon Hen - The bulleting of the Tolkien Society|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&#039;&#039; is the journal of the Society and is currently published once a year, in the Spring.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ts_info/mallorn.html|articlename=Mallorn - The Journal of the Tolkien Society|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Quettar]]&#039;&#039; was the journal of the Linguistic Fellowship of The Tolkien Society.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Events==&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society organises the following events each year:&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Birthday Toast|The Birthday Toast]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is held on [[3 January]] (Tolkien&#039;s birthday) every year. The Society encourages Tolkien fans from across the world to toast the Professor at 9pm wherever they are.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Reading Day]]&#039;&#039;&#039;, held annually on [[25 March]], is an international event which promotes the reading of Tolkien&#039;s works.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Annual General Meeting and Springmoot&#039;&#039;&#039; involves a meeting where formal business (with regard to the running of the Tolkien Society) is discussed, followed by a semi-formal dinner with a guest speaker. It is held over a weekend each April.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;AGM&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/agm/|articlename=About The Annual General Meeting|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Society Awards]]&#039;&#039;&#039; are announced during the dinner of this event.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/society/awards/|articlename=Awards|website=TS|accessed=15 December 2022}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Seminar&#039;&#039;&#039; is an event which consists of a programme of talks on a Tolkien-related theme. It is held most summers (around June or July).&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Seminar&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/seminar/|articlename=Seminar home page|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Oxonmoot]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is a convention held at an Oxford college on the weekend closest to [[22 September]], [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] and [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]]&#039;s birthday.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Oxonmoot&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/oxon/|articlename=Oxonmoot index page|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Westmoot]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is a new convention aimed at US members of the Society that will take place annually in [[Wikipedia:Kansas City, Missouri|Kansas City, Missouri]]. The first event is due to held on Friday [[May 9]] - Sunday [[May 11]] [[2025]] at the [[Wikipedia:National World War I Museum and Memorial|National World War I Museum and Memorial]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/events/westmoot-2025/|articlename=Westmoot 2025|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=28-November-2024}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society also organises large conferences in order to celebrate an anniversary around J.R.R. Tolkien and/or his works. Past events:&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference|The J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Keble College (in [[Oxford]], England) in [[1992]]. It celebrated the centenary of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]&#039;s birth. It was organised in conjunction with the [[Mythopoeic Society]] and was a combination of Oxonmoot 1992 and Mythcon 23.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Centenary&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/1992/index.html|articlename=Tolkien Centenary Conference 1992|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien 2005|Tolkien 2005: The Ring Goes Ever On]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Aston University (in Birmingham, England) in [[2005]]. It celebrated the fiftieth anniversary of the complete publication of &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Tolkien2005&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/2005/about.html|articlename=About Tolkien 2005|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Return of the Ring|The Return of the Ring: Celebrating Tolkien in 2012]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Loughborough University (in Leicestershire, England) in [[2012]]. It celebrated the seventy-fifth anniversary of the publication of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit]]&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Return&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.returnofthering.org/index.php|articlename=The Return of the Ring - Celebrating Tolkien in 2012|website=[http://www.returnofthering.org/ The Return of the Ring]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Plaques and Memorials]]&lt;br /&gt;
==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[http://www.tolkiensociety.org Official website]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://twitter.com/TolkienSociety Twitter feed]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.facebook.com/TheTolkienSociety Facebook page]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.facebook.com/groups/TheTolkienSociety.EducationalCharity/ Facebook group]&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;The Tolkien Society&#039;&#039;&#039; is an international fan club and educational charity based in the United Kingdom, with the purpose of educating the public in the life and works of J.R.R. Tolkien. Founded in [[1969]] with the blessing of J.R.R. Tolkien, it has expanded its membership across the United Kingdom, Europe and the world. Its President is Tolkien, the Vice-president is [[Priscilla Tolkien]]; since [[2013]], [[Shaun Gunner]] has been the Society&#039;s Chair.&lt;br /&gt;
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==History==&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society was formed in 1969 by [[Vera Chapman]], an [[University of Oxford|Oxford]]-educated retired teacher/civil servant, who, horrified at the annexation of Tolkien&#039;s works by &#039;the drugs-orientated writings of hippiedom&#039;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Charles Noad|Charles E. Noad]], &#039;The Early Days of the Tolkien Society&#039;, [[A Long-expected Party: Progress Report 1|&#039;&#039;A Long-expected Party: Progress Report&#039;&#039; 1]], p. 10&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; decided to form a group dedicated to the true appreciation of Tolkien&#039;s works.&lt;br /&gt;
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On [[6 November]] [[1969]], Chapman announced the formation of the Tolkien Society in the United Kingdom in the &#039;&#039;New Statesman&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{CG|II}}, p. 287&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Initially London-based, the Society would meet in Chapman&#039;s North London flat; they kept in communication via a photocopied newsletter called &#039;&#039;[[Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet]]&#039;&#039; (Chapman had adopted the name &amp;quot;[[Belladonna Took]]&amp;quot; as her Middle-earth alias), which was first published in December 1969.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; The Society&#039;s inaugural meeting was held in January [[1970]],&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; and its constitution was ratified on [[15 January]] [[1972]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Tolkien Society grew steadily, and Chapman willingly passed over responsibility for the bulletin to other hands whilst a more scholarly publication, &amp;quot;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&amp;quot; also appeared. &#039;&#039;Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet&#039;&#039; went through a number of identity changes, being &amp;quot;Henneth Annun&amp;quot; for one issue before its then editor, John Martin, adopted its current name: &amp;quot;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Society also undertook a pilgrimage to [[Oxford]], exploring the colleges and sites relevant to J.R.R. Tolkien&#039;s life. Visit was made to [[Wolvercote Cemetery]] where wreaths in tribute were laid. At that first visit, it was found that a wild bramble had rooted in the topsoil of the grave. This was rapidly uprooted, and the Society offered to buy a rose plant, the offer of which [[Priscilla Tolkien]] - Tolkien&#039;s only daughter - accepted. The weekend event culminated with a visit to the home of Priscilla Tolkien.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[2014]], the Society inaugurated its annual &#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Tolkien Society Awards|Awards]]&#039;&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2014/03/new-tolkien-society-awards/|articlename=Awards|date=17 March 2014|website=TS|accessed=15 December 2022}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Relations with J.R.R. Tolkien==&lt;br /&gt;
In 1972 [[wikipedia:New Year Honours|New Year Honours]], Tolkien was made a [[Order of the British Empire|CBE]] (Commander of the Order of the British Empire) just two days before his birthday. [[Allen and Unwin|Allen &amp;amp; Unwin]] had encouraged the Tolkien Society to write to Tolkien on the occasion, and they sent the following telegram:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|CONGRATULATIONS ON 80TH BIRTHDAY AND HONOUR. ANOTHER 50 YEARS TO BEAT THE OLD TOOK.&amp;lt;BR/&amp;gt;THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY (IN BRITAIN)|The Tolkien Society&#039;s telegram to J.R.R. Tolkien&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 21&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Society also published a congratulatory message in &#039;&#039;The Times&#039;&#039; on the [[3 January]] in the &#039;BIRTHDAYS&#039; section: &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;TOLKIEN. Professor J. R. R. Tolkien, C.B.E. Congratulations on your 80th birthday. &#039;Elen sila lumenn&#039; omentielmo.&#039; The Tolkien Society.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; As a birthday present, the Society also sent him a green china tobacco jar - designed with a huntsman and a white deer - which included best Latakia Mixture tobacco; attached was the following note:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|FROM all Hobbits, Elves, Elf-friends, Dwarves, Ents, Numenoreans, Rohirrim, etc. etc. etc. of the TOLKIEN SOCIETY (in Britain) with love and honour and hearty congratulations, to the creator of so much wonder. Although not to be compared with the true LONGBOTTOM LEAF, we hope that this will at least raise a few smoke-rings of happy recollection.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY|The Tolkien Society&#039;s message to J.R.R. Tolkien on his birthday&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Joy Hill]], Tolkien&#039;s secretary, phoned Vera Chapman on the 3 January and said, &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Of all the tributes he received, this was the one that gave the greatest pleasure.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; A month later, [[Letter to Vera Chapman and the Tolkien Society|he wrote to her]]:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|Dear Mrs. Chapman,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;May I thank you and the Tolkien Society for your good wishes and kind gift on my 80th birthday. I appreciated your generosity very much indeed.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Best wishes,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Yours sincerely,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;J.R.R. Tolkien [signed]|[[Letter to Vera Chapman and the Tolkien Society|Letter from J.R.R. Tolkien to Vera Chapman]], dated [[6 February]] [[1972]]&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===President===&lt;br /&gt;
On the [[27 June]] [[1972]], Vera Chapman was invited to a sherry party by [[Rayner Unwin]], where she met Tolkien himself. After exchanging a few words with him about the [[Belladonna Took|belladonna]] plant, she asked if he would would be willing to be the Society&#039;s honorary president; he said &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Certainly&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; before concluding, &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;If I can help your society in any way, I will&#039;&#039;.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-22&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 22&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Following the death of J.R.R. Tolkien on [[2 September]] [[1973]], the Tolkien Society offered the post of Honorary President to [[Christopher Tolkien]], Tolkien&#039;s son, but Christopher declined saying he thought the his father should remain president forever. At the [[wiktionary:AGM|AGM]] on [[16 February]] [[1974]] the motion was passed that J.R.R. Tolkien should remain the Honorary President &#039;&#039;in perpetuo&#039;&#039;; he remains the Society&#039;s president to this day.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-23&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 23&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==List of Chairs==&lt;br /&gt;
The following is a list of chairs of The Tolkien Society; in April 2017 the Society replaced the title &amp;quot;Chairman&amp;quot; with &amp;quot;Chair&amp;quot;. &#039;&#039;Italic text&#039;&#039; indicates an acting chairman who was appointed, rather than elected.&lt;br /&gt;
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|- style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-2);&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
!   !! Name !! Start of term !! End of term !! Duration&lt;br /&gt;
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|   || &#039;&#039;[[Vera Chapman]]&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;29 January 1970&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;20 November 1970&#039;&#039; ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.296&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;296 days&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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| 1 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Keith Bridges]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 20 November 1970&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chairman from 20 November 1970 to 15 January 1972.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; || 17 February 1973 || 2 years, 89 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 2 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Hartley Patterson]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 18 February 1973 || 16 February 1974 ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.363&amp;quot;| 363 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 3 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Jonathan Simons]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 17 February 1974 || 28 April 1984 || 10 years, 71 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 4 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Brin Dunsire]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 29 April 1984 || 16 April 1988 || 3 years, 354 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 5 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Alex Lewis]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 17 April 1988 || 11 April 1992 || 3 years, 360 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 6 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Amanda Campbell|Amanda Fingleson]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 12 April 1992 || 20 April 1996 || 4 years, 9 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 7 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Chris Crawshaw]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 21 April 1996 || 19 April 2008 || 11 years, 364 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 8 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Matthew Vernon]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 20 April 2008 || 8 January 2009 ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.264&amp;quot;|264 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 9 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Sally Kennett]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 8 January 2009&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chairman from 8 January 2009 to 25 April 2009.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; || 20 April 2013 || 4 years, 102 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| &#039;&#039;&#039;10&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Shaun Gunner]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;21 April 2013&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;present&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039; 12 years, {{#expr: {{#time: z}} +-109}} days&lt;br /&gt;
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==Publications==&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet]]&#039;&#039;, the first bulletin of The Tolkien Society.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&#039;&#039; is the bulletin of the Society and is published six times a year.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Amon&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ts_info/amonhen.html|articlename=Amon Hen - The bulleting of the Tolkien Society|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&#039;&#039; is the journal of the Society and is currently published once a year, in the Spring.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ts_info/mallorn.html|articlename=Mallorn - The Journal of the Tolkien Society|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Quettar]]&#039;&#039; was the journal of the Linguistic Fellowship of The Tolkien Society.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Events==&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society organises the following events each year:&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Birthday Toast|The Birthday Toast]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is held on [[3 January]] (Tolkien&#039;s birthday) every year. The Society encourages Tolkien fans from across the world to toast the Professor at 9pm wherever they are.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Reading Day]]&#039;&#039;&#039;, held annually on [[25 March]], is an international event which promotes the reading of Tolkien&#039;s works.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Annual General Meeting and Springmoot&#039;&#039;&#039; involves a meeting where formal business (with regard to the running of the Tolkien Society) is discussed, followed by a semi-formal dinner with a guest speaker. It is held over a weekend each April.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;AGM&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/agm/|articlename=About The Annual General Meeting|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Society Awards]]&#039;&#039;&#039; are announced during the dinner of this event.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/society/awards/|articlename=Awards|website=TS|accessed=15 December 2022}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Seminar&#039;&#039;&#039; is an event which consists of a programme of talks on a Tolkien-related theme. It is held most summers (around June or July).&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Seminar&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/seminar/|articlename=Seminar home page|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Oxonmoot]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is a convention held at an Oxford college on the weekend closest to [[22 September]], [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] and [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]]&#039;s birthday.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Oxonmoot&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/oxon/|articlename=Oxonmoot index page|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Westmoot]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is a new convention aimed at US members of the Society that will take place annually in [[Wikipedia:Kansas City, Missouri|Kansas City, Missouri]]. The first event is due to held on Friday [[May 9]] - Sunday [[May 11]] [[2025]] at the [[Wikipedia:National World War I Museum and Memorial|National World War I Museum and Memorial]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/events/westmoot-2025/|articlename=Westmoot 2025|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=28-November-2024}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society also organises large conferences in order to celebrate an anniversary around J.R.R. Tolkien and/or his works. Past events:&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference|The J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Keble College (in [[Oxford]], England) in [[1992]]. It celebrated the centenary of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]&#039;s birth. It was organised in conjunction with the [[Mythopoeic Society]] and was a combination of Oxonmoot 1992 and Mythcon 23.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Centenary&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/1992/index.html|articlename=Tolkien Centenary Conference 1992|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien 2005|Tolkien 2005: The Ring Goes Ever On]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Aston University (in Birmingham, England) in [[2005]]. It celebrated the fiftieth anniversary of the complete publication of &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Tolkien2005&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/2005/about.html|articlename=About Tolkien 2005|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Return of the Ring|The Return of the Ring: Celebrating Tolkien in 2012]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Loughborough University (in Leicestershire, England) in [[2012]]. It celebrated the seventy-fifth anniversary of the publication of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit]]&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Return&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.returnofthering.org/index.php|articlename=The Return of the Ring - Celebrating Tolkien in 2012|website=[http://www.returnofthering.org/ The Return of the Ring]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Plaques and Memorials]]&lt;br /&gt;
==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[http://www.tolkiensociety.org Official website]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://twitter.com/TolkienSociety Twitter feed]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.facebook.com/TheTolkienSociety Facebook page]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.facebook.com/groups/TheTolkienSociety.EducationalCharity/ Facebook group]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>User:Mith</title>
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		<updated>2025-04-21T05:41:00Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: &lt;/p&gt;
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[[Category:Gatekeepers who have contributed for over eight years|Mith]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Gatekeepers who use Firefox|Mith]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Gatekeepers with over 30000 edits|Mith]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Tolkien Gateway administrators|Mith]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Tolkien Society members|Mith]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:User en-N|Mith]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Daily To-do==&lt;br /&gt;
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==About Me==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m &#039;&#039;&#039;Mith&#039;&#039;&#039; and I&#039;m a 37-year-old Tolkien fan from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sussex Sussex] in the UK. The name &#039;&#039;Mith&#039;&#039; is a contraction of the name [[Gandalf|Mithrandir]] (the [[Sindarin]] name for [[Gandalf]]) which is the name I&#039;ve used for myself on many Tolkien websites over the last twenty years. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Here on Tolkien Gateway (TG), I am a &#039;&#039;bureaucrat&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;administrator&#039;&#039;. I have been a member of this website and community for nineteen years, and as such am the number 1 editor of TG in terms of edits, as well as having provided much of the structure and templates of the wiki; I also worked with [[User:Hyarion]] on maintaining the website from a technical perspective, and the previous theme/skin on TG was &amp;quot;Mithilien&amp;quot;. Having said all that, I still regard my contributions as relatively modest, but I hope they go some way to making this wiki the best online Tolkien resource. You can contact me via email (right) or on [[User talk:Mith|my talk page]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Outside of TG, I am a very active member of [[The Tolkien Society]], and my main interests are: [[languages]], [[Tengwar]], genealogies, maps, calendars, and the history of the [[First Age]]. In fact, almost everything within the [[legendarium]] (so long as it isn&#039;t poetry)!&lt;br /&gt;
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Outside of Tolkien, I have chaired two charities and am particularly interested in politics and British political history. I&#039;m also an avid fan of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo Nintendo], and [[wikipedia:Lego|Lego]]; and enjoy reading a wide variety of works on language, (auto)biography, crime fiction, fantasy, political philosophy and theory.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Projects==&lt;br /&gt;
===Future===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Timeline]] and years:&lt;br /&gt;
** Adding [[Template:Ardayearheader]] to every year article&lt;br /&gt;
** Making sure that all date-related wanted-pages are created&lt;br /&gt;
** Altering all the day articles so Shire Reckoning dates in &amp;quot;[[Appendix B|The Tale of Years]]&amp;quot; are &#039;&#039;correctly&#039;&#039; converted to the Gregorian calendar&lt;br /&gt;
** Extending the information on [[:Category:Calendars|calendars]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Locations]] (especially those of [[The Shire]])&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;[[Eriador]]&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;, [[Rhûn]] and The Shire are all on my hit-list&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Hobbits]] (continue with [[Took Family|Tooks]] first)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Constellations]], [[:Category:Cosmology|cosmology]] and astronomy&lt;br /&gt;
** Start with [[Carnil]] (see [[Talk:Carnil|its talk page]])&lt;br /&gt;
* Work on [[Durin&#039;s Folk]]&lt;br /&gt;
* To further, and expand, the articles on the &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;[[Kings of Arnor|Arnorian]] and&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt; [[Kings of Gondor|Gondorian]] Kings&lt;br /&gt;
** Re-visit the Kings of Arnor as the bar I set for myself is now higher&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Songs]] and [[:Category:Poems|poems]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Forums:TG Advent: 30 Improved pages for the New Year]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Wizards]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sir Gawain and the Green Knight]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Present===&lt;br /&gt;
* Infoboxes&lt;br /&gt;
** Updating and standardisation existing ones&lt;br /&gt;
** Adding pronunciation guides to them&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;[[Template:Mallorn]], [[Template:Mallornnav]] and [[Template:Amonhen]]&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;Audiobook infobox&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;LOTRO infobox&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;Extend [[T:Book]] (see [[wikipedia:Template:Infobox book|Wikipedia&#039;s]])&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* New skins for TG&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;Fixing Ithilien to work with 1.17&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*** Fixing &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ul&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;ol&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; error with thumbnails&lt;br /&gt;
** Fixing Cavendish to work in 1.17&lt;br /&gt;
* Generally tidying and minor edits&lt;br /&gt;
* [[:Category:Portals|Portals]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[:Category:Tolkien Gateway|Policy]] and [[:Category:Help|Help]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Creating templates for articles (along the lines of previous ones like [[Template:northernline|this]] - see my [[User:Mith/Sandbox|my sandbox]] for some in progress)&lt;br /&gt;
===Past===&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;[[Main Page|Creating a new Main Page]]&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;New images for: [[Balin]], [[Dwalin]], [[Fíli]], [[Kíli]], [[Dori]], [[Nori]], [[Ori]], [[Óin]], [[Glóin]], [[Bifur]], [[Bofur]], [[Bombur]]&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;Template for web citations (former {{redlink|[[Template:Hfd]]}})&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;Who; what?; when?; where? link etc.&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;Redlink template&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;[[Timeline]] and years:-&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;Updating existing dates so they contain all relevant information&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;Moving date articles to European date format&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;Bibliographic information&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*** &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;See [http://www.forodrim.org/arda/tbchron.html here] (start with 1945) and [http://www.minastirith.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=5;t=000211 here]&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;Anything [[:Category:Maps|map]]/[[Maps|map]]-related&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;A template for dates in family trees&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;Sorting out the mess that is [[:Category:Disambiguation|disambiguation]]&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Favourites==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Character:&#039;&#039;&#039; [[Gandalf]] (following very closely by [[Fingolfin]])&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Location:&#039;&#039;&#039; [[Gondolin]] (followed by [[Tirion]])&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Quote:&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;see [[User:Mith#top|the top of the page]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Book:&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;[[The Book of Lost Tales Part One]]&#039;&#039; (forget, &#039;&#039;[[The Children of Húrin]]&#039;&#039;, this should be edited and released in a separate book)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Chapter:&#039;&#039;&#039; Not strictly chapters, but, the &#039;&#039;[[Ainulindalë]]&#039;&#039; and the &#039;&#039;[[Valaquenta]]&#039;&#039; (in &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039; I&#039;m rather keen on &amp;quot;[[The Council of Elrond]]&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;[[The Grey Havens]]&amp;quot;)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Era:&#039;&#039;&#039; [[First Age]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Film Scenes:&#039;&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;[[The Council of Elrond (scene)|The Council of Elrond]]&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;[[The Bridge of Khazad-dûm (scene)|The Bridge of Khazad-dûm]]&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;[[The Lighting of the Beacons]]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Pages==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User talk: Mith|My Talk Page]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Special: Contributions/Mith|My Contributions]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Mith/Collection|My Collection]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Mith/sandbox|My Sandbox]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Mith/sig|My Signature]] (if you want one of your own, see [[Help:Signatures]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[User:Mithbot]], my bot for automatic editing of repetitive and tedious tasks&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Special:Contributions/Mithbot|Mithbot&#039;s Contributions]]&lt;br /&gt;
**[[User:Mithbot/Scripts|Mithbot&#039;s Scripts]]&lt;br /&gt;
**Mithbot&#039;s Talk Page is located at [[User talk: Mith|my talk page]] instead&lt;br /&gt;
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	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mith&amp;diff=420244</id>
		<title>User talk:Mith</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mith&amp;diff=420244"/>
		<updated>2025-04-21T04:10:19Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: /* Clams in The Chaining of Melko */&lt;/p&gt;
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== Clams in [[The Chaining of Melko]] ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Happy Easter! I am sorry that I harass you: You moved my message to archive, but I would still like to add back the information that clams with pearls had existed since the very beginning of the world. [https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Chaining_of_Melko&amp;amp;diff=prev&amp;amp;oldid=319235] I still feel that it is an important detail adding context to the creation of Silmarils. May I write this? How and where? [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 18:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC) [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 18:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It is a random piece of trivia that doesn&#039;t link to the rest of the paragraph or the entire article about the Chaining of Melko. If you can make it relevant to the article then add it in. &lt;br /&gt;
:In future if you want to discuss an individual article you should do it on that article&#039;s talk page, rather than on a user page. As such, I won&#039;t be responding to further messages here about that article.  --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:34, 20 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: OK, I am sorry, thank you. [https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Silmarils&amp;amp;diff=420234&amp;amp;oldid=419833 Relevant as context for the creation of Silmarils] - I hope. Well, in this situation I felt that I found a way to put this information where it is relevant, I am just reporting it, so you can revert it. Optimistically looking, there is no need to continue discussions, if there is a need, I have to use the article talk. To be honest, it seems that I have to hope that my edit in the article is better than this answer - I am sorry. [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 21:23, 20 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::If it is context for the creation of the Silmarils why are you putting it in an article about the Chaining of Melko which makes no other reference to the Silmarils? This is exactly my point. The information is not relevant to the rest of the article. It is just a fragmentary factoid. &lt;br /&gt;
:::You are just further convincing me this information does not belong in this article. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 04:10, 21 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Tolkien_Society&amp;diff=420231</id>
		<title>The Tolkien Society</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Tolkien_Society&amp;diff=420231"/>
		<updated>2025-04-20T18:50:55Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: /* List of Chairs */ updated&lt;/p&gt;
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| founder=[[Vera Chapman]]&lt;br /&gt;
| location=England&lt;br /&gt;
| type=Educational charity, fan club, academic society&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;The Tolkien Society&#039;&#039;&#039; is an international fan club and educational charity based in the United Kingdom, with the purpose of educating the public in the life and works of J.R.R. Tolkien. Founded in [[1969]] with the blessing of J.R.R. Tolkien, it has expanded its membership across the United Kingdom, Europe and the world. Its President is Tolkien, the Vice-president is [[Priscilla Tolkien]]; since [[2013]], [[Shaun Gunner]] has been the Society&#039;s Chair.&lt;br /&gt;
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==History==&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society was formed in 1969 by [[Vera Chapman]], an [[University of Oxford|Oxford]]-educated retired teacher/civil servant, who, horrified at the annexation of Tolkien&#039;s works by &#039;the drugs-orientated writings of hippiedom&#039;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Charles Noad|Charles E. Noad]], &#039;The Early Days of the Tolkien Society&#039;, [[A Long-expected Party: Progress Report 1|&#039;&#039;A Long-expected Party: Progress Report&#039;&#039; 1]], p. 10&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; decided to form a group dedicated to the true appreciation of Tolkien&#039;s works.&lt;br /&gt;
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On [[6 November]] [[1969]], Chapman announced the formation of the Tolkien Society in the United Kingdom in the &#039;&#039;New Statesman&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{CG|II}}, p. 287&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Initially London-based, the Society would meet in Chapman&#039;s North London flat; they kept in communication via a photocopied newsletter called &#039;&#039;[[Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet]]&#039;&#039; (Chapman had adopted the name &amp;quot;[[Belladonna Took]]&amp;quot; as her Middle-earth alias), which was first published in December 1969.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; The Society&#039;s inaugural meeting was held in January [[1970]],&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CGII&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; and its constitution was ratified on [[15 January]] [[1972]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Tolkien Society grew steadily, and Chapman willingly passed over responsibility for the bulletin to other hands whilst a more scholarly publication, &amp;quot;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&amp;quot; also appeared. &#039;&#039;Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet&#039;&#039; went through a number of identity changes, being &amp;quot;Henneth Annun&amp;quot; for one issue before its then editor, John Martin, adopted its current name: &amp;quot;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Society also undertook a pilgrimage to [[Oxford]], exploring the colleges and sites relevant to J.R.R. Tolkien&#039;s life. Visit was made to [[Wolvercote Cemetery]] where wreaths in tribute were laid. At that first visit, it was found that a wild bramble had rooted in the topsoil of the grave. This was rapidly uprooted, and the Society offered to buy a rose plant, the offer of which [[Priscilla Tolkien]] - Tolkien&#039;s only daughter - accepted. The weekend event culminated with a visit to the home of Priscilla Tolkien.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[2014]], the Society inaugurated its annual &#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Tolkien Society Awards|Awards]]&#039;&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Daniel Helen|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2014/03/new-tolkien-society-awards/|articlename=Awards|date=17 March 2014|website=TS|accessed=15 December 2022}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Relations with J.R.R. Tolkien==&lt;br /&gt;
In 1972 [[wikipedia:New Year Honours|New Year Honours]], Tolkien was made a [[Order of the British Empire|CBE]] (Commander of the Order of the British Empire) just two days before his birthday. [[Allen and Unwin|Allen &amp;amp; Unwin]] had encouraged the Tolkien Society to write to Tolkien on the occasion, and they sent the following telegram:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|CONGRATULATIONS ON 80TH BIRTHDAY AND HONOUR. ANOTHER 50 YEARS TO BEAT THE OLD TOOK.&amp;lt;BR/&amp;gt;THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY (IN BRITAIN)|The Tolkien Society&#039;s telegram to J.R.R. Tolkien&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 21&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Society also published a congratulatory message in &#039;&#039;The Times&#039;&#039; on the [[3 January]] in the &#039;BIRTHDAYS&#039; section: &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;TOLKIEN. Professor J. R. R. Tolkien, C.B.E. Congratulations on your 80th birthday. &#039;Elen sila lumenn&#039; omentielmo.&#039; The Tolkien Society.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; As a birthday present, the Society also sent him a green china tobacco jar - designed with a huntsman and a white deer - which included best Latakia Mixture tobacco; attached was the following note:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|FROM all Hobbits, Elves, Elf-friends, Dwarves, Ents, Numenoreans, Rohirrim, etc. etc. etc. of the TOLKIEN SOCIETY (in Britain) with love and honour and hearty congratulations, to the creator of so much wonder. Although not to be compared with the true LONGBOTTOM LEAF, we hope that this will at least raise a few smoke-rings of happy recollection.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;THE TOLKIEN SOCIETY|The Tolkien Society&#039;s message to J.R.R. Tolkien on his birthday&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Joy Hill]], Tolkien&#039;s secretary, phoned Vera Chapman on the 3 January and said, &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Of all the tributes he received, this was the one that gave the greatest pleasure.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; A month later, [[Letter to Vera Chapman and the Tolkien Society|he wrote to her]]:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|Dear Mrs. Chapman,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;May I thank you and the Tolkien Society for your good wishes and kind gift on my 80th birthday. I appreciated your generosity very much indeed.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Best wishes,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Yours sincerely,&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;J.R.R. Tolkien [signed]|[[Letter to Vera Chapman and the Tolkien Society|Letter from J.R.R. Tolkien to Vera Chapman]], dated [[6 February]] [[1972]]&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-21&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===President===&lt;br /&gt;
On the [[27 June]] [[1972]], Vera Chapman was invited to a sherry party by [[Rayner Unwin]], where she met Tolkien himself. After exchanging a few words with him about the [[Belladonna Took|belladonna]] plant, she asked if he would would be willing to be the Society&#039;s honorary president; he said &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Certainly&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; before concluding, &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;If I can help your society in any way, I will&#039;&#039;.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-22&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 22&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Following the death of J.R.R. Tolkien on [[2 September]] [[1973]], the Tolkien Society offered the post of Honorary President to [[Christopher Tolkien]], Tolkien&#039;s son, but Christopher declined saying he thought the his father should remain president forever. At the [[wiktionary:AGM|AGM]] on [[16 February]] [[1974]] the motion was passed that J.R.R. Tolkien should remain the Honorary President &#039;&#039;in perpetuo&#039;&#039;; he remains the Society&#039;s president to this day.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn50-23&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Charles E. Noad]], &amp;quot;The Tolkien Society - the early days&amp;quot; in [[Henry Gee]] (ed.) &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn 50]]&#039;&#039;, p. 23&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==List of Chairs==&lt;br /&gt;
The following is a list of chairs of The Tolkien Society; in April 2017 the Society replaced the title &amp;quot;Chairman&amp;quot; with &amp;quot;Chair&amp;quot;. &#039;&#039;Italic text&#039;&#039; indicates an acting chairman who was appointed, rather than elected.&lt;br /&gt;
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{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable sortable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|- style=&amp;quot;background: var(--tg-color-surface-2);&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
!   !! Name !! Start of term !! End of term !! Duration&lt;br /&gt;
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|   || &#039;&#039;[[Vera Chapman]]&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;29 January 1970&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;20 November 1970&#039;&#039; ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.296&amp;quot;| &#039;&#039;296 days&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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| 1 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Keith Bridges]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 20 November 1970&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chairman from 20 November 1970 to 15 January 1972.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; || 17 February 1973 || 2 years, 89 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 2 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Hartley Patterson]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 18 February 1973 || 16 February 1974 ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.363&amp;quot;| 363 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 3 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Jonathan Simons]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 17 February 1974 || 28 April 1984 || 10 years, 71 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 4 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Brin Dunsire]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 29 April 1984 || 16 April 1988 || 3 years, 354 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 5 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Alex Lewis]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 17 April 1988 || 11 April 1992 || 3 years, 360 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 6 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Amanda Campbell|Amanda Fingleson]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 12 April 1992 || 20 April 1996 || 4 years, 9 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 7 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Chris Crawshaw]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 21 April 1996 || 19 April 2008 || 11 years, 364 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 8 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Matthew Vernon]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 20 April 2008 || 8 January 2009 ||data-sort-value=&amp;quot;.264&amp;quot;|264 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| 9 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Sally Kennett]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || 8 January 2009&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Acting Chairman from 8 January 2009 to 25 April 2009.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; || 20 April 2013 || 4 years, 102 days&lt;br /&gt;
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| &#039;&#039;&#039;10&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Shaun Gunner]]&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;21 April 2013&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;present&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039; 12 years, {{#expr: {{#time: z}} +-109}} days&lt;br /&gt;
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;Notes&lt;br /&gt;
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==Publications==&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Belladonna&#039;s Broadsheet]]&#039;&#039;, the first bulletin of The Tolkien Society.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&#039;&#039; is the bulletin of the Society and is published six times a year.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Amon&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ts_info/amonhen.html|articlename=Amon Hen - The bulleting of the Tolkien Society|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&#039;&#039; is the journal of the Society and is currently published once a year, in the Spring.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mallorn&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ts_info/mallorn.html|articlename=Mallorn - The Journal of the Tolkien Society|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;[[Quettar]]&#039;&#039; was the journal of the Linguistic Fellowship of The Tolkien Society.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Events==&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society organises the following events each year:&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Birthday Toast|The Birthday Toast]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is held on [[3 January]] (Tolkien&#039;s birthday) every year. The Society encourages Tolkien fans from across the world to toast the Professor at 9pm wherever they are.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Reading Day]]&#039;&#039;&#039;, held annually on [[25 March]], is an international event which promotes the reading of Tolkien&#039;s works.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Annual General Meeting and Springmoot&#039;&#039;&#039; involves a meeting where formal business (with regard to the running of the Tolkien Society) is discussed, followed by a semi-formal dinner with a guest speaker. It is held over a weekend each April.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;AGM&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/agm/|articlename=About The Annual General Meeting|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien Society Awards]]&#039;&#039;&#039; are announced during the dinner of this event.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/society/awards/|articlename=Awards|website=TS|accessed=15 December 2022}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Seminar&#039;&#039;&#039; is an event which consists of a programme of talks on a Tolkien-related theme. It is held most summers (around June or July).&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Seminar&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/seminar/|articlename=Seminar home page|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Oxonmoot]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is a convention held at an Oxford college on the weekend closest to [[22 September]], [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] and [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]]&#039;s birthday.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Oxonmoot&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/oxon/|articlename=Oxonmoot index page|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Westmoot]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is a new convention aimed at US members of the Society that will take place annually in [[Wikipedia:Kansas City, Missouri|Kansas City, Missouri]]. The first event is due to held on Friday [[May 9]] - Sunday [[May 11]] [[2025]] at the [[Wikipedia:National World War I Museum and Memorial|National World War I Museum and Memorial]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.tolkiensociety.org/events/westmoot-2025/|articlename=Westmoot 2025|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=28-November-2024}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The Tolkien Society also organises large conferences in order to celebrate an anniversary around J.R.R. Tolkien and/or his works. Past events:&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference|The J.R.R. Tolkien Centenary Conference]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Keble College (in [[Oxford]], England) in [[1992]]. It celebrated the centenary of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]&#039;s birth. It was organised in conjunction with the [[Mythopoeic Society]] and was a combination of Oxonmoot 1992 and Mythcon 23.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Centenary&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/1992/index.html|articlename=Tolkien Centenary Conference 1992|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Tolkien 2005|Tolkien 2005: The Ring Goes Ever On]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Aston University (in Birmingham, England) in [[2005]]. It celebrated the fiftieth anniversary of the complete publication of &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Tolkien2005&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.tolkiensociety.org/2005/about.html|articlename=About Tolkien 2005|website=[http://www.tolkiensociety.org/ The Tolkien Society]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;[[The Return of the Ring|The Return of the Ring: Celebrating Tolkien in 2012]]&#039;&#039;&#039; was held at Loughborough University (in Leicestershire, England) in [[2012]]. It celebrated the seventy-fifth anniversary of the publication of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit]]&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Return&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|articleurl=http://www.returnofthering.org/index.php|articlename=The Return of the Ring - Celebrating Tolkien in 2012|website=[http://www.returnofthering.org/ The Return of the Ring]|accessed=07-August-2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Plaques and Memorials]]&lt;br /&gt;
==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;[http://www.tolkiensociety.org Official website]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://twitter.com/TolkienSociety Twitter feed]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.facebook.com/TheTolkienSociety Facebook page]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.facebook.com/groups/TheTolkienSociety.EducationalCharity/ Facebook group]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Now longest serving Chair (technically over 12 years from midnight but just doing this slightly early)&lt;/p&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Shaun Gunner&#039;&#039;&#039; is the tenth and current Chair of [[The Tolkien Society]].&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Twitter&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; Having served for over 12 years, he is the longest-serving Chair in the Society&#039;s history. &lt;br /&gt;
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Gunner has also served as the Society&#039;s publicity officer,  was the Deputy Chair of [[The Return of the Ring|The Return of the Ring: Celebrating Tolkien in 2012]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Lyn Whitaker, &amp;quot;Along the Road&amp;quot;, [[Amon Hen 234|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 234]], p. 8&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and was responsible for the [[Tolkien 2019]] event. He has also contributed to the journals &#039;&#039;[[Amon Hen (journal)|Amon Hen]]&#039;&#039;, &#039;&#039;[[Hither Shore (journal)|Hither Shore]]&#039;&#039;, and &#039;&#039;[[Mallorn (journal)|Mallorn]]&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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He is an administrator ([[User:Mith]]) of the [[Tolkien Gateway]] website, and an advisor and assistant to [[Emil Johansson]]&#039;s [[The Lord of the Rings Project]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Shaun Gunner, &amp;quot;Member Profile&amp;quot;, [[Amon Hen 235|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 235]], pp. 33-34&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Gunner is also a regular commentator on Tolkien and adaptations in the media, and was a guest co-host of [[The Prancing Pony Podcast]] in the 2022-3 season.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;PPP&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://theprancingponypodcast.com/about|articlename=About|dated=|website=[https://theprancingponypodcast.com/about The Prancing Pony Podcast]|accessed=23 July 2023}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Gunner is a politics graduate and lives in [[Wikipedia:Rustington|Rustington]], [[Wikipedia:Sussex|Sussex]].&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Twitter&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://twitter.com/#!/@ShaunGunner|articlename=Shaun Gunner|dated=|website=[http://twitter.com Twitter.com]|accessed=20 June 2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://archiver.co/profile/shaungunner|articlename=Shaun Gunner|dated=|website=[http://archiver.co/ Archiver.co]|accessed=20 June 2012}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He is an elected councillor for his area - serving as Leader of the Council between 2021 and 2023&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;ADC&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://democracy.arun.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=255|articlename=Councillor Shaun Gunner|dated=|website=[https://www.arun.gov.uk Arun District Council]|accessed=23 July 2023}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - and formerly chaired the mental health charity [https://mkcharity.org/ Mankind].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Bibliography==&lt;br /&gt;
===Articles===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2012]]: [[Amon Hen 234|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 234]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;[[Birthday Toast#Tolkien Society tradition|Birthday Toast]] - A Report&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2012]]: [[Amon Hen 235|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 235]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Along the Road - Three months to go&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Member Profile&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2012]]: [[Amon Hen 236|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 236]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Glorfindel(s), I Miss You!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2013]]: [[Amon Hen 240|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 240]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;The Hobbit Premiere: An Unexpected Pleasure&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2013]]: [[Amon Hen 241|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 241]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chairman&#039;s Update&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2013]]: [[Hither Shore 9|&#039;&#039;Hither Shore&#039;&#039; 9]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Two Swedish Interviews with J.R.R. Tolkien&amp;quot; (co-editor with [[Morgan Thomsen]])&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2013]]: [[Amon Hen 244|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 244]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chairman&#039;s Update&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2014]]: [[Amon Hen 247|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 247]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chairman&#039;s Update&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2015]]: [[Amon Hen 254|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 254]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chairman&#039;s Report&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2015]]: [[Amon Hen 255|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 255]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chairman&#039;s Additional &#039;Thank You&#039;&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2016]]: &#039;&#039;[[Songs of Sorrow and Hope|Songs of Sorrow and Hope: The Art of Jenny Dolfen]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** Foreword&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2016]]: &#039;&#039;[[The Return Of The Ring: Proceedings of the Tolkien Society Conference 2012]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** Foreword&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2017]]: [[Amon Hen 267|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 267]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chair&#039;s Report&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chair&#039;s &#039;Thank You&#039;&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2018]]: [[Amon Hen 272|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 272]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chair&#039;s Message&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2019]]: [[Amon Hen 275|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 275]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Chair&#039;s Chapter&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2020]]: &#039;&#039;[[The First and Second Ages]]&#039;&#039; (second edition)&lt;br /&gt;
** Foreword&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Reviews===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2013]]: [[Mallorn 54|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 54]] &lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;A journey to the cinema&amp;quot; (review of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]]&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2014]]: [[Mallorn 55|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 55]] &lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Votes for [[Tauriel]] - but not the love&amp;quot; (review of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug]]&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2015]]: [[Amon Hen 254|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 254]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey: Chronicles: Art &amp;amp; Design]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[A Tolkien Bestiary|Tolkien: A Dictionary]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2015]]: [[Amon Hen 255|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 255]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey: Chronicles: Creatures &amp;amp; Characters]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[A Tolkien Treasury (miniature edition)|A Tolkien Treasury]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2015]]: [[Mallorn 56|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 56]] &lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2016]]: [[Amon Hen 259|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 259]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug: Chronicles: Art &amp;amp; Design]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[Tolkien: The Illustrated Encyclopedia|Tolkien - An Illustrated Atlas]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2017]]: [[Amon Hen 267|&#039;&#039;Amon Hen&#039;&#039; 267]]&lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;The Battles of Tolkien&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2020]]: [[Mallorn 61|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 61]] &lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Worlds of J.R.R. Tolkien]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2022]]: [[Mallorn 63|&#039;&#039;Mallorn&#039;&#039; 63]] &lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;[[The Gallant Edith Bratt]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Interviews===&lt;br /&gt;
* [[17 May]], [[2012]]: &#039;&#039;[[Middle-earth Network Specials]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://menetspecials.mymiddleearth.com/podcast/menet-specials-16-the-return-of-the-ring/ Middle-earth Network Specials 16: The Return Of The Ring]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[19 June]], [[2012]]: &#039;&#039;[http://www.aldasaga.com/ Aldasaga]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://www.aldasaga.com/shownotes/Tolkien_and_Old_Norse_8.html Race Profiles I: of Álfar and Elves: featured guests Shaun Gunner &amp;amp; Ármann Jakobsson]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[24 August]], [[2012]]: [[Middle-earth Network|Middle-earth Network News]]&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://news.mymiddleearth.com/2012/08/24/return-of-the-ring-2012-wrap-up-interview/ Return of the Ring Wrap-up Interview]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[22 September]], [[2012]]: &#039;&#039;[[Silver Leaves (podcast)|Silver Leaves]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://whitetreefund.org/multimedia/silver-leaves-podcast/episode-archive/episode-1/ Long-Expected Parties – Hobbit Day Celebrations Worldwide]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[7 August]], [[2014]]: &#039;&#039;TheOnering.net&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2014/08/07/92174-torn-talks-to-shaun-gunner-chairman-of-the-tolkien-society/ TORn talks to Shaun Gunner, Chairman of The Tolkien Society]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[13 September]] [[2014]]: &#039;&#039;[http://theworldofsmart.com/ The World of SMART]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://theworldofsmart.com/interview-with-shaun-gunner-of-the-tolkien-society/ Interview with Shaun Gunner of the Tolkien Society]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[20 August]] [[2015]]: &#039;&#039;[http://www.scififantasynetwork.com/ SciFi and Fantasy Network]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** [http://www.scififantasynetwork.com/shaun-gunner-on-the-tolkien-society/ Shaun Gunner On The Tolkien Society]&lt;br /&gt;
* November [[2015]]: &#039;&#039;[[Fan Phenomena: The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;Fan Appreciation - Shaun Gunner&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[28 February]] [[2020]]: &#039;&#039;[[The Tolkien Experience| The Tolkien Experience Podcast]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
** &amp;quot;[https://luke-shelton.com/2020/02/28/tep-5-shaun-gunner/ #5 - Shaun Gunner]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Barahir%27s_outlaws&amp;diff=420229</id>
		<title>Barahir&#039;s outlaws</title>
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		<updated>2025-04-20T18:44:28Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Protected &amp;quot;Barahir&amp;#039;s outlaws&amp;quot; ([Move=Allow only administrators] (indefinite))&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Unnamed}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{organization infobox&lt;br /&gt;
| name=Barahir&#039;s outlaws&lt;br /&gt;
| image = Ted Nasmith - At Tarn Aeluin.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
| caption=&amp;quot;At Tarn Aeluin&amp;quot; by [[Ted Nasmith]]&lt;br /&gt;
| pronun=&lt;br /&gt;
| othernames=&lt;br /&gt;
| founded=c. {{FA|455}}&lt;br /&gt;
| founder=[[Barahir]]&lt;br /&gt;
| purpose=Opposing [[Morgoth]] in [[Dorthonion]]&lt;br /&gt;
| members=[[Beren]], eleven others&lt;br /&gt;
| location=[[Dorthonion]]&lt;br /&gt;
| disbanded={{FA|460}}&lt;br /&gt;
| notablefor=&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|But still there lived in hiding cold&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;undaunted, Barahir the bold&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;of [[Ladros|land bereaved]], of lordship shorn&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;who once a prince of Men was born&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;and now an outlaw lurked and lay&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;in the [[Taur-nu-Fuin (Dorthonion)|hard heath and woodland gray]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;and with him clung his faithful men&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;but [[Beren]] his son and other ten.|&#039;&#039;[[Lay of Leithian]]&#039;&#039;, [[Lay of Leithian Canto II|Canto II]], vv. 127-140}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Barahir&#039;s outlaws&#039;&#039;&#039; were a group of survivors of the sack of [[Dorthonion]] who remained loyal to the exiled [[Barahir]], [[Lord of Ladros]]. Aside from Barahir&#039;s son [[Beren]], they numbered either ten (as stated in the initial version of the Lay of Leithian, quoted above) or eleven (as stated in the revised later version known as the Lay of Leithian Recommenced, quoted below, which gives the names of all eleven).  They were betrayed by [[Gorlim]], one of their number, in the year {{FA|460}}.&lt;br /&gt;
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==History==&lt;br /&gt;
During the [[Dagor Bragollach]], in the year {{FA|455}}, [[Bregolas]], the [[Lord of Ladros]], was killed and [[Dorthonion]] overrun. His brother [[Barahir]] &amp;quot;the Bold&amp;quot; escaped the destruction of their lands with his son [[Beren]] and a number of companions. He refused to desert the land owned by his fathers, and lived as an outlaw, during which time the servants of [[Morgoth]] whittled his band down to only twelve, not counting himself, as discussed above.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;OBaL&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (ed.), &#039;&#039;[[The Silmarillion]]&#039;&#039;, &amp;quot;[[Of Beren and Lúthien]]&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The surviving companions are named in the &#039;&#039;[[Lay of Leithian]]&#039;&#039; thus:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{blockquote|Twelve men beside him still there went,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;still faithful when all hope was spent.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Their names are yet in elven-song&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;remembered, though the years are long&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;since doughty [[Dagnir]] and [[Ragnor]],&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Radhruin]], [[Dairuin]], and [[Gildor (outlaw)|Gildor]],&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Gorlim|Gorlim Unhappy]], and [[Urthel]],&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;and [[Arthad]] and [[Hathaldir]] fell;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;since the black shaft with venomed wound&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;took [[Belegund]] and [[Baragund]],&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;the mighty sons of [[Bregolas]];&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;since he whose doom and deeds surpass&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;all tales of [[Men]] was laid on bier,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;fair [[Beren|Beren son of Barahir]].|&#039;&#039;[[The Lay of Leithian Recommenced]]&#039;&#039;, Canto I, vv. 145-152}}&lt;br /&gt;
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They made camp in the hidden lake, [[Tarn Aeluin]], and lived in hiding until 460, when Gorlim &amp;quot;the Unhappy&amp;quot; was tricked by [[Sauron]] into thinking that his wife [[Eilinel]] was still alive. In a vain attempt to save her life he went to the dark servant of Morgoth and betrayed the location of Barahir&#039;s camp in return for a promise that he and she would be united and set free. Sauron accepted this information gratefully, and then slew Gorlim, revealing that he had tricked him and Eilinel was dead in truth.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;OBaL&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Sauron&#039;s [[orcs]] entered into Tarn Aeluin and [[Massacre of Tarn Aeluin|slew all they found]], including Barahir. Only Beren escaped the slaughter, for he was out hunting at the time, and, warned by the ghost of Gorlim, returned to find his father and companions all dead. Soon after he fled Dorthonion forever, and it came utterly into darkness.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;OBaL&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Other versions of the legendarium ==&lt;br /&gt;
The account found in &#039;&#039;[[The Silmarillion]]&#039;&#039; closely parallels that told in full by the &#039;&#039;[[Lay of Leithian]]&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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In one manuscript in &#039;&#039;[[The Lays of Beleriand]]&#039;&#039;, Tolkien used the term &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;XII Bëorings&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; in a header.&amp;lt;ref name=name&amp;gt;{{LB|4}}, pp. 335, 348, 351&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; It is not known why Tolkien used the name &amp;quot;XII Bëorings&amp;quot; at that time. The term might be shorthand for the &amp;quot;twelve Bëorings&amp;quot;, or a &amp;quot;translation&amp;quot; of an in-universe term, or it might just be an out-of-universe identifying term as a header.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Outlaws}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Edain]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:House of Bëor]]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:XII_B%C3%ABorings&amp;diff=420228</id>
		<title>Talk:XII Bëorings</title>
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		<updated>2025-04-20T18:43:43Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Mith moved page Talk:XII Bëorings to Talk:Barahir&amp;#039;s outlaws&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;#REDIRECT [[Talk:Barahir&#039;s outlaws]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Barahir%27s_outlaws&amp;diff=420227</id>
		<title>Talk:Barahir&#039;s outlaws</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Mith moved page Talk:XII Bëorings to Talk:Barahir&amp;#039;s outlaws&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Renaming article==&lt;br /&gt;
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I am not at all keen on the renaming of this article, which is now:&lt;br /&gt;
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#A name which &#039;&#039;no one&#039;&#039; would ever type into a search on Google or on this website, thereby making it almost impossible to find.&lt;br /&gt;
#A term I&#039;ve never heard anyone ever use before.&lt;br /&gt;
#Leaving a bunch of links and references around all over the place which is now inconsistent with this new article name. Indeed, the article itself hasn&#039;t been edited at all to reflect this apparent new name.&lt;br /&gt;
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Can we go back to the old name, please? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 06:12, 19 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:In one manuscript in &#039;&#039;[[The Lays of Beleriand]]&#039;&#039;, Tolkien used the term &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;XII Bëorings&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; in a header.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;name&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{LB|4}}, pp. 335, 348, 351&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; It is not known why Tolkien used the name &amp;quot;XII Bëorings&amp;quot; at that time. The name might be shorthand for the &amp;quot;twelve Bëorings&amp;quot;, or it might be a &amp;quot;translation&amp;quot; of an in-universe name of an unknown language or it might just be an out of universe identifying term. Regardless, it is the only term that Tolkien gave that identifies the outlaws that followed Barahir, though it is unknown why Tolkien used a Roman numeral in this name. However, if most people desire for the old name to be the page-name, then it should be moved, as long as the term &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;XII Bëorings&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; is mentioned somewhere on the page.[[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]] ([[User talk:Dour1234|talk]]) 07:42, 19 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::If the shorthand explanation is true (which I&#039;d bet), then mentioning it might be like if we listed &amp;quot;S.&amp;quot; as another name of Sauron because Tolkien once wrote something like &amp;quot;Grishnákh returns to S. in Barad-dur&amp;quot;. I would want that to be avoided. It&#039;s unclear to me if the headers are meant to be &amp;quot;part of&amp;quot; the Lay or if they&#039;re just organizing things for Tolkien&#039;s own use. Skimming, I don&#039;t see other abbreviations or shorthand, other than an ampersand. I could see something like &amp;quot;Tolkien may have referred to them by the name &#039;the Twelve Beorings&#039; (&#039;XII Beorings&#039;)&amp;quot;, citing the page, and maybe only including &amp;quot;XII Beorings&amp;quot; as a quote in the reference. And there&#039;s another issue with this name, since Christopher points out that you&#039;d expect Tolkien to have included Beren in the group, making thirteen. If the article is about all the outlaws including Beren, instead of all the outlaws except Beren. {{User:Yaulendil/sig}} 08:08, 19 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::In the case of “S” for Sauron, we know Sauron&#039;s name. In the case of the outlaws, we only have &amp;quot;XII Bëorings&amp;quot; as an identifier with no other label. We can make guesses, but we cannot assume anything other than what we know. Also, it is Barahir who is excluded, not Beren, and that is because the group is comprised of those who followed Barahir. Moving the page to &amp;quot;Barahir&#039;s outlaws&amp;quot; would be fine, as Mith brought up above, as long as &amp;quot;XII Bëorings&amp;quot; is mentioned somewhere on the page.[[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]] ([[User talk:Dour1234|talk]]) 09:18, 19 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::To Dour: no one other than you wishes to see this change on TG. [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] ([[User talk:IvarTheBoneless|talk]]) 09:25, 19 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I believe you must have misunderstood my above talk page reply that you are replying to. I said above that I was ok with the page being moved to &amp;quot;Barahir&#039;s outlaws&amp;quot; as long as &amp;quot;XII Bëorings&amp;quot; is mentioned somewhere on the page (which it currently is in the OVOTL).[[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]] ([[User talk:Dour1234|talk]]) 10:58, 19 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I agree. It should never have been renamed and was changed without discussion. [[User:JR Snow|JR Snow]] ([[User talk:JR Snow|talk]]) 13:24, 19 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references /&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=XII_B%C3%ABorings&amp;diff=420226</id>
		<title>XII Bëorings</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=XII_B%C3%ABorings&amp;diff=420226"/>
		<updated>2025-04-20T18:43:43Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Mith moved page XII Bëorings to Barahir&amp;#039;s outlaws&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;#REDIRECT [[Barahir&#039;s outlaws]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Barahir%27s_outlaws&amp;diff=420225</id>
		<title>Barahir&#039;s outlaws</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Barahir%27s_outlaws&amp;diff=420225"/>
		<updated>2025-04-20T18:43:43Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Mith moved page XII Bëorings to Barahir&amp;#039;s outlaws&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;{{Unnamed}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{organization infobox&lt;br /&gt;
| name=Barahir&#039;s outlaws&lt;br /&gt;
| image = Ted Nasmith - At Tarn Aeluin.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
| caption=&amp;quot;At Tarn Aeluin&amp;quot; by [[Ted Nasmith]]&lt;br /&gt;
| pronun=&lt;br /&gt;
| othernames=&lt;br /&gt;
| founded=c. {{FA|455}}&lt;br /&gt;
| founder=[[Barahir]]&lt;br /&gt;
| purpose=Opposing [[Morgoth]] in [[Dorthonion]]&lt;br /&gt;
| members=[[Beren]], eleven others&lt;br /&gt;
| location=[[Dorthonion]]&lt;br /&gt;
| disbanded={{FA|460}}&lt;br /&gt;
| notablefor=&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|But still there lived in hiding cold&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;undaunted, Barahir the bold&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;of [[Ladros|land bereaved]], of lordship shorn&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;who once a prince of Men was born&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;and now an outlaw lurked and lay&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;in the [[Taur-nu-Fuin (Dorthonion)|hard heath and woodland gray]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;and with him clung his faithful men&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;but [[Beren]] his son and other ten.|&#039;&#039;[[Lay of Leithian]]&#039;&#039;, [[Lay of Leithian Canto II|Canto II]], vv. 127-140}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Barahir&#039;s outlaws&#039;&#039;&#039; were a group of survivors of the sack of [[Dorthonion]] who remained loyal to the exiled [[Barahir]], [[Lord of Ladros]]. Aside from Barahir&#039;s son [[Beren]], they numbered either ten (as stated in the initial version of the Lay of Leithian, quoted above) or eleven (as stated in the revised later version known as the Lay of Leithian Recommenced, quoted below, which gives the names of all eleven).  They were betrayed by [[Gorlim]], one of their number, in the year {{FA|460}}.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==History==&lt;br /&gt;
During the [[Dagor Bragollach]], in the year {{FA|455}}, [[Bregolas]], the [[Lord of Ladros]], was killed and [[Dorthonion]] overrun. His brother [[Barahir]] &amp;quot;the Bold&amp;quot; escaped the destruction of their lands with his son [[Beren]] and a number of companions. He refused to desert the land owned by his fathers, and lived as an outlaw, during which time the servants of [[Morgoth]] whittled his band down to only twelve, not counting himself, as discussed above.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;OBaL&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (ed.), &#039;&#039;[[The Silmarillion]]&#039;&#039;, &amp;quot;[[Of Beren and Lúthien]]&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The surviving companions are named in the &#039;&#039;[[Lay of Leithian]]&#039;&#039; thus:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{blockquote|Twelve men beside him still there went,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;still faithful when all hope was spent.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Their names are yet in elven-song&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;remembered, though the years are long&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;since doughty [[Dagnir]] and [[Ragnor]],&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Radhruin]], [[Dairuin]], and [[Gildor (outlaw)|Gildor]],&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Gorlim|Gorlim Unhappy]], and [[Urthel]],&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;and [[Arthad]] and [[Hathaldir]] fell;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;since the black shaft with venomed wound&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;took [[Belegund]] and [[Baragund]],&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;the mighty sons of [[Bregolas]];&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;since he whose doom and deeds surpass&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;all tales of [[Men]] was laid on bier,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;fair [[Beren|Beren son of Barahir]].|&#039;&#039;[[The Lay of Leithian Recommenced]]&#039;&#039;, Canto I, vv. 145-152}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
They made camp in the hidden lake, [[Tarn Aeluin]], and lived in hiding until 460, when Gorlim &amp;quot;the Unhappy&amp;quot; was tricked by [[Sauron]] into thinking that his wife [[Eilinel]] was still alive. In a vain attempt to save her life he went to the dark servant of Morgoth and betrayed the location of Barahir&#039;s camp in return for a promise that he and she would be united and set free. Sauron accepted this information gratefully, and then slew Gorlim, revealing that he had tricked him and Eilinel was dead in truth.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;OBaL&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Sauron&#039;s [[orcs]] entered into Tarn Aeluin and [[Massacre of Tarn Aeluin|slew all they found]], including Barahir. Only Beren escaped the slaughter, for he was out hunting at the time, and, warned by the ghost of Gorlim, returned to find his father and companions all dead. Soon after he fled Dorthonion forever, and it came utterly into darkness.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;OBaL&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Other versions of the legendarium ==&lt;br /&gt;
The account found in &#039;&#039;[[The Silmarillion]]&#039;&#039; closely parallels that told in full by the &#039;&#039;[[Lay of Leithian]]&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In one manuscript in &#039;&#039;[[The Lays of Beleriand]]&#039;&#039;, Tolkien used the term &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;XII Bëorings&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; in a header.&amp;lt;ref name=name&amp;gt;{{LB|4}}, pp. 335, 348, 351&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; It is not known why Tolkien used the name &amp;quot;XII Bëorings&amp;quot; at that time. The term might be shorthand for the &amp;quot;twelve Bëorings&amp;quot;, or a &amp;quot;translation&amp;quot; of an in-universe term, or it might just be an out-of-universe identifying term as a header.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Outlaws}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{references}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Edain]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:House of Bëor]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Organizations]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Barahir%27s_outlaws&amp;diff=420224</id>
		<title>Barahir&#039;s outlaws</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Barahir%27s_outlaws&amp;diff=420224"/>
		<updated>2025-04-20T18:41:43Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: /* Other versions of the legendarium */ We cannot say this is a name rather than a using&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;{{Unnamed}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{organization infobox&lt;br /&gt;
| name=Barahir&#039;s outlaws&lt;br /&gt;
| image = Ted Nasmith - At Tarn Aeluin.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
| caption=&amp;quot;At Tarn Aeluin&amp;quot; by [[Ted Nasmith]]&lt;br /&gt;
| pronun=&lt;br /&gt;
| othernames=&lt;br /&gt;
| founded=c. {{FA|455}}&lt;br /&gt;
| founder=[[Barahir]]&lt;br /&gt;
| purpose=Opposing [[Morgoth]] in [[Dorthonion]]&lt;br /&gt;
| members=[[Beren]], eleven others&lt;br /&gt;
| location=[[Dorthonion]]&lt;br /&gt;
| disbanded={{FA|460}}&lt;br /&gt;
| notablefor=&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|But still there lived in hiding cold&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;undaunted, Barahir the bold&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;of [[Ladros|land bereaved]], of lordship shorn&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;who once a prince of Men was born&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;and now an outlaw lurked and lay&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;in the [[Taur-nu-Fuin (Dorthonion)|hard heath and woodland gray]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;and with him clung his faithful men&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;but [[Beren]] his son and other ten.|&#039;&#039;[[Lay of Leithian]]&#039;&#039;, [[Lay of Leithian Canto II|Canto II]], vv. 127-140}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Barahir&#039;s outlaws&#039;&#039;&#039; were a group of survivors of the sack of [[Dorthonion]] who remained loyal to the exiled [[Barahir]], [[Lord of Ladros]]. Aside from Barahir&#039;s son [[Beren]], they numbered either ten (as stated in the initial version of the Lay of Leithian, quoted above) or eleven (as stated in the revised later version known as the Lay of Leithian Recommenced, quoted below, which gives the names of all eleven).  They were betrayed by [[Gorlim]], one of their number, in the year {{FA|460}}.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==History==&lt;br /&gt;
During the [[Dagor Bragollach]], in the year {{FA|455}}, [[Bregolas]], the [[Lord of Ladros]], was killed and [[Dorthonion]] overrun. His brother [[Barahir]] &amp;quot;the Bold&amp;quot; escaped the destruction of their lands with his son [[Beren]] and a number of companions. He refused to desert the land owned by his fathers, and lived as an outlaw, during which time the servants of [[Morgoth]] whittled his band down to only twelve, not counting himself, as discussed above.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;OBaL&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (ed.), &#039;&#039;[[The Silmarillion]]&#039;&#039;, &amp;quot;[[Of Beren and Lúthien]]&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The surviving companions are named in the &#039;&#039;[[Lay of Leithian]]&#039;&#039; thus:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{blockquote|Twelve men beside him still there went,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;still faithful when all hope was spent.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Their names are yet in elven-song&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;remembered, though the years are long&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;since doughty [[Dagnir]] and [[Ragnor]],&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Radhruin]], [[Dairuin]], and [[Gildor (outlaw)|Gildor]],&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Gorlim|Gorlim Unhappy]], and [[Urthel]],&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;and [[Arthad]] and [[Hathaldir]] fell;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;since the black shaft with venomed wound&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;took [[Belegund]] and [[Baragund]],&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;the mighty sons of [[Bregolas]];&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;since he whose doom and deeds surpass&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;all tales of [[Men]] was laid on bier,&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;fair [[Beren|Beren son of Barahir]].|&#039;&#039;[[The Lay of Leithian Recommenced]]&#039;&#039;, Canto I, vv. 145-152}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
They made camp in the hidden lake, [[Tarn Aeluin]], and lived in hiding until 460, when Gorlim &amp;quot;the Unhappy&amp;quot; was tricked by [[Sauron]] into thinking that his wife [[Eilinel]] was still alive. In a vain attempt to save her life he went to the dark servant of Morgoth and betrayed the location of Barahir&#039;s camp in return for a promise that he and she would be united and set free. Sauron accepted this information gratefully, and then slew Gorlim, revealing that he had tricked him and Eilinel was dead in truth.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;OBaL&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Sauron&#039;s [[orcs]] entered into Tarn Aeluin and [[Massacre of Tarn Aeluin|slew all they found]], including Barahir. Only Beren escaped the slaughter, for he was out hunting at the time, and, warned by the ghost of Gorlim, returned to find his father and companions all dead. Soon after he fled Dorthonion forever, and it came utterly into darkness.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;OBaL&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Other versions of the legendarium ==&lt;br /&gt;
The account found in &#039;&#039;[[The Silmarillion]]&#039;&#039; closely parallels that told in full by the &#039;&#039;[[Lay of Leithian]]&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In one manuscript in &#039;&#039;[[The Lays of Beleriand]]&#039;&#039;, Tolkien used the term &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;XII Bëorings&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; in a header.&amp;lt;ref name=name&amp;gt;{{LB|4}}, pp. 335, 348, 351&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; It is not known why Tolkien used the name &amp;quot;XII Bëorings&amp;quot; at that time. The term might be shorthand for the &amp;quot;twelve Bëorings&amp;quot;, or a &amp;quot;translation&amp;quot; of an in-universe term, or it might just be an out-of-universe identifying term as a header.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Outlaws}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{references}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Edain]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:House of Bëor]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Organizations]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mith&amp;diff=420223</id>
		<title>User talk:Mith</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mith&amp;diff=420223"/>
		<updated>2025-04-20T18:36:27Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: /* Clams in The Chaining of Melko */&lt;/p&gt;
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== Clams in [[The Chaining of Melko]] ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Happy Easter! I am sorry that I harass you: You moved my message to archive, but I would still like to add back the information that clams with pearls had existed since the very beginning of the world. [https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Chaining_of_Melko&amp;amp;diff=prev&amp;amp;oldid=319235] I still feel that it is an important detail adding context to the creation of Silmarils. May I write this? How and where? [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 18:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC) [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 18:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:It is a random piece of trivia that doesn&#039;t link to the rest of the paragraph or the entire article about the Chaining of Melko. If you can make it relevant to the article then add it in. &lt;br /&gt;
:In future if you want to discuss an individual article you should do it on that article&#039;s talk page, rather than on a user page. As such, I won&#039;t be responding to further messages here about that article.  --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:34, 20 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mith&amp;diff=420222</id>
		<title>User talk:Mith</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mith&amp;diff=420222"/>
		<updated>2025-04-20T18:35:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: /* Clams in The Chaining of Melko */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
== Clams in [[The Chaining of Melko]] ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Happy Easter! I am sorry that I harass you: You moved my message to archive, but I would still like to add back the information that clams with pearls had existed since the very beginning of the world. [https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Chaining_of_Melko&amp;amp;diff=prev&amp;amp;oldid=319235] I still feel that it is an important detail adding context to the creation of Silmarils. May I write this? How and where? [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 18:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC) [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 18:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:It is always random piece of trivia that doesn&#039;t link to the rest of the paragraph or the entire article about the Chaining of Melko. If you can make it relevant to the article then add it in. &lt;br /&gt;
:In future if you want to discuss an individual article you should do it on that article&#039;s talk page, rather than on a user page. As such, I won&#039;t be responding to further messages here about that article.  --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:34, 20 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
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		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mith&amp;diff=420221</id>
		<title>User talk:Mith</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mith&amp;diff=420221"/>
		<updated>2025-04-20T18:34:52Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: /* Clams in The Chaining of Melko */&lt;/p&gt;
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== Clams in [[The Chaining of Melko]] ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Happy Easter! I am sorry that I harass you: You moved my message to archive, but I would still like to add back the information that clams with pearls had existed since the very beginning of the world. [https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Chaining_of_Melko&amp;amp;diff=prev&amp;amp;oldid=319235] I still feel that it is an important detail adding context to the creation of Silmarils. May I write this? How and where? [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 18:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC) [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 18:02, 20 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:It is always random piece of trivia that doesn&#039;t link to the rest of the paragraph or the entire article about the Chaining of Melko. If you can make it relevant to the article then add it in. &lt;br /&gt;
:In future if you want to discuss an individual article you should do it on that articles talk page. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:34, 20 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Barahir%27s_outlaws&amp;diff=420184</id>
		<title>Talk:Barahir&#039;s outlaws</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Barahir%27s_outlaws&amp;diff=420184"/>
		<updated>2025-04-19T06:13:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: /* Renaming article */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Renaming article ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I am not at all keen on the renaming of this article, which is now:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
# A name which &#039;&#039;no one&#039;&#039; would ever type into a search on Google or on this website, thereby making it almost impossible to find. &lt;br /&gt;
# A term I&#039;ve never heard anyone ever use before. &lt;br /&gt;
# Leaving a bunch of links and references around all over the place which is now inconsistent with this new article name. Indeed, the article itself hasn&#039;t been edited at all to reflect this apparent new name. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Can we go back to the old name, please? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 06:12, 19 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Barahir%27s_outlaws&amp;diff=420183</id>
		<title>Talk:Barahir&#039;s outlaws</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Barahir%27s_outlaws&amp;diff=420183"/>
		<updated>2025-04-19T06:12:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: /* Renaming article */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== Renaming article ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I am not at all keen on the renaming of this article, which is now:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
# A name which &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;no one&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; would ever type into a search on Google or on this website, thereby making it almost impossible to find. &lt;br /&gt;
# A term I&#039;ve never heard anyone ever use before. &lt;br /&gt;
# Leaving a bunch of links and references around all over the place which is now inconsistent with this new article name. Indeed, the article itself hasn&#039;t been edited at all to reflect this apparent new name. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Can we go back to the old name, please? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 06:12, 19 April 2025 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
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		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Template:User_infobox&amp;diff=420163"/>
		<updated>2025-04-18T13:53:06Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: &lt;/p&gt;
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		&amp;quot;audiocaption&amp;quot;: {},&lt;br /&gt;
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		&amp;quot;instagram&amp;quot;: {}&lt;br /&gt;
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		&amp;quot;image&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;imageWidth&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;imageHeight&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;caption&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;name&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;othernames&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;position&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;location&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;language&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;birth&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;age&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;occupation&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;gender&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;height&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;hair&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;eyes&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;email&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;facebook&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;twitter&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;linkedin&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;reddit&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;website&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;userboxes&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;gallery&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;audio&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;audiocaption&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;birthlocation&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;instagram&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
	],&lt;br /&gt;
	&amp;quot;format&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;block&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/templatedata&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Category&lt;br /&gt;
--------&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;[[Category:Infobox templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Template:User_infobox&amp;diff=420162</id>
		<title>Template:User infobox</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Template:User_infobox&amp;diff=420162"/>
		<updated>2025-04-18T13:52:05Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;includeonly&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Template&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;&amp;lt;table class=&amp;quot;tg-infobox floatright&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
	--&amp;gt;{{Infobox image row&lt;br /&gt;
	|image = {{{image|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
	|caption = {{{caption|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
	|imageWidth = {{{imageWidth|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
	|imageHeight = {{{imageHeight|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
	}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
	--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
	|colspan = 2&lt;br /&gt;
	|data = Gatekeeper&lt;br /&gt;
	|dataClass = tg-infobox-subtitle&lt;br /&gt;
	}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
	--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
	|colspan = 2&lt;br /&gt;
	|header = {{{name|{{#explode:{{PAGENAME}}| (|0}}}}}&lt;br /&gt;
	|headerClass = tg-infobox-title&lt;br /&gt;
	}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
	--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
	|colspan = 2&lt;br /&gt;
	|condition = {{{othernames|}}}{{{position|}}}{{{location|}}}{{{language|}}}{{{birth|}}}{{{age|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
	|header = Biographical Information&lt;br /&gt;
	}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
	--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
	|label = Other names&lt;br /&gt;
	|data = {{{othernames|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
	}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
	--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
	|label = Position&lt;br /&gt;
	|data = {{{position|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
	}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
	--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
	|label = Language&lt;br /&gt;
	|data = {{{language|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
	}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
	--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
	|label = Occupation&lt;br /&gt;
	|data = {{{occupation|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
	}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
	--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
	|label = Birth&lt;br /&gt;
	|data = {{{birth|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
	}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
	--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
	|label = Age&lt;br /&gt;
	|data = {{{age|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
	}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
	--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
	|label = Edit Count&lt;br /&gt;
	|data = {{Special:Editcount/{{PAGENAME}}}}&lt;br /&gt;
	}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|colspan = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|condition = {{{gender|}}}{{{height|}}}{{{hair|}}}{{{eyes|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
|header = Physical Description&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|label = Gender&lt;br /&gt;
|data = {{{gender|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|label = Height&lt;br /&gt;
|data = {{{height|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|label = Hair color&lt;br /&gt;
|data = {{{hair|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|label = Eye color&lt;br /&gt;
|data = {{{eyes|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|colspan = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|condition = {{{gender|}}}{{{height|}}}{{{hair|}}}{{{eyes|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
|header = Contact Information&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|label = Talk Page&lt;br /&gt;
|data = [[User talk:{{PAGENAME}}|{{PAGENAME}}]]&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|label = E-mail&lt;br /&gt;
|data = {{{email|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|label = Other Profiles&lt;br /&gt;
|data = {{{facebook|}}}&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;{{{twitter|}}}&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;{{{linkedin|}}}&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;{{{reddit|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|label = Website&lt;br /&gt;
|data = {{{website|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|colspan = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|condition = {{{userboxes|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
|header = Userboxes&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|colspan = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|data = {{{userboxes|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|label = Gallery&lt;br /&gt;
|data = {{#ifexist:Category:Images of {{{gallery|{{PAGENAME}}}}}|[[:Category:Images of {{{gallery|{{PAGENAME}}}}}|Images of {{{gallery|{{{name|{{#explode:{{PAGENAME}}| (|0}}}}}}}}]]}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|colspan = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|condition = {{{audio|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
|header = Audio&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|colspan = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|data = {{{audio|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
|dataClass = tg-infobox-caption&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;{{Infobox row&lt;br /&gt;
|colspan = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|data = {{{audiocaption|}}}&lt;br /&gt;
|dataClass = tg-infobox-caption&lt;br /&gt;
}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/table&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
TemplateStyles&lt;br /&gt;
--------------&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;&amp;lt;templatestyles src=&amp;quot;Template:Infobox/styles.css&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
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Param validation&lt;br /&gt;
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--&amp;gt;{{#invoke:Paramvalidate|paramvalidate}}&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
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--&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/includeonly&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Documentation&lt;br /&gt;
-------------&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;&amp;lt;noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{user infobox&lt;br /&gt;
| image={{{image}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| name={{{name}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| othernames={{{othernames}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| position={{{position}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| language={{{language}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| location={{{location}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| occupation={{{occupation}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| birth={{{birth}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| birthlocation={{{birthlocation}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| age={{{age}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| gender={{{gender}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| height={{{height}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| hair={{{hair}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| eyes={{{eyes}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| email={{{email}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| facebook={{{facebook}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| twitter={{{twitter}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| instagram={{{instagram}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| reddit={{{reddit}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| linkedin={{{linkedin}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| website={{{website}}}&lt;br /&gt;
| userboxes={{{userboxes}}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
==Usage==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{user infobox&lt;br /&gt;
| image=&lt;br /&gt;
| name=&lt;br /&gt;
| othernames=&lt;br /&gt;
| position=&lt;br /&gt;
| language=&lt;br /&gt;
| location=&lt;br /&gt;
| occupation=&lt;br /&gt;
| birth=&lt;br /&gt;
| birthlocation=&lt;br /&gt;
| age=&lt;br /&gt;
| gender=&lt;br /&gt;
| height=&lt;br /&gt;
| hair=&lt;br /&gt;
| eyes=&lt;br /&gt;
| email=&lt;br /&gt;
| facebook=&lt;br /&gt;
| twitter=&lt;br /&gt;
| instagram=&lt;br /&gt;
| reddit=&lt;br /&gt;
| linkedin=&lt;br /&gt;
| website=&lt;br /&gt;
| userboxes=&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Any unused parameter, can be completely removed.&#039;&#039;&#039; Advanced users can add the following parameters:&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
| BG1=&lt;br /&gt;
| BG2=&lt;br /&gt;
| BG3=&lt;br /&gt;
| userboxheight=&lt;br /&gt;
| noscroll=&amp;lt;/pre&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;BG1&#039;&#039;&#039; changes the dark blue background colour;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;BG2&#039;&#039;&#039; changes the light blue background colour;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;BG3&#039;&#039;&#039; changes the pale grey background colour;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;noscroll&#039;&#039;&#039; removes the scroll bar on the userbox section altogether.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;userboxheight&#039;&#039;&#039; changes the height of the userbox section (set by default to 195px);&lt;br /&gt;
** 49px = one infobox;&lt;br /&gt;
** 99px = two infoboxes;&lt;br /&gt;
** 147px = three userboxes;&lt;br /&gt;
** 195px = four userboxes;&lt;br /&gt;
** 245px = five userboxes;&lt;br /&gt;
** 294px = six infoboxes;&lt;br /&gt;
** 342px = seven userboxes;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==TemplateData==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;templatedata&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{&lt;br /&gt;
	&amp;quot;params&amp;quot;: {&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;image&amp;quot;: {&lt;br /&gt;
			&amp;quot;label&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;Image&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
			&amp;quot;type&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;wiki-file-name&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
			&amp;quot;suggested&amp;quot;: true&lt;br /&gt;
		},&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;caption&amp;quot;: {&lt;br /&gt;
			&amp;quot;label&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;Image caption&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
			&amp;quot;description&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;Caption of the image&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
			&amp;quot;type&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;string&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
		},&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;imageWidth&amp;quot;: {&lt;br /&gt;
			&amp;quot;label&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;Image width&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
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			&amp;quot;type&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;number&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
		},&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;imageHeight&amp;quot;: {&lt;br /&gt;
			&amp;quot;label&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;Image height&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
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			&amp;quot;type&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;number&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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		&amp;quot;linkedin&amp;quot;: {},&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;reddit&amp;quot;: {},&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;website&amp;quot;: {},&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;userboxes&amp;quot;: {},&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;gallery&amp;quot;: {},&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;audio&amp;quot;: {},&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;audiocaption&amp;quot;: {},&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;birthlocation&amp;quot;: {},&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;instagram&amp;quot;: {}&lt;br /&gt;
	},&lt;br /&gt;
	&amp;quot;paramOrder&amp;quot;: [&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;image&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;imageWidth&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;imageHeight&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;caption&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;name&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;othernames&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;position&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;location&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;language&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;birth&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;age&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;occupation&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;gender&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;height&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;hair&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;eyes&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;email&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;facebook&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;twitter&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;linkedin&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;reddit&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;website&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;userboxes&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;gallery&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;audio&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;audiocaption&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;birthlocation&amp;quot;,&lt;br /&gt;
		&amp;quot;instagram&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
	],&lt;br /&gt;
	&amp;quot;format&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;block&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
}&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/templatedata&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Category&lt;br /&gt;
--------&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;[[Category:Infobox templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
--&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/noinclude&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Mith</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mith/2024&amp;diff=420161</id>
		<title>User talk:Mith/2024</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mith/2024&amp;diff=420161"/>
		<updated>2025-04-18T13:48:39Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: Created page with &amp;quot;{{talkarchive|2006|2007|2008|2009|2010|2011|2012|2013|2014|2015|2016|2017|2018|2019|2020|2021|2022|2023|2024}} &amp;lt;table style=&amp;quot;border: 1px solid #c0c090; background-color: #f8eaba; width:80%; margin-left: auto; margin-right:auto;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;tr&amp;gt; &amp;lt;td rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;link=&amp;lt;/td&amp;gt;&amp;lt;td&amp;gt;&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;talk&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;text-align: center; padding:5px; clear: both;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Welcome to Mith&amp;#039;s talk page archive.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/td&amp;gt;&amp;lt;td rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Image:Nuvola app...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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== Alan Lee Contact ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hello!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ll try to keep this a brief as possible. I received a box set of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings as a child from my father. On the box itself was an illustration I now know is &amp;quot;The Battle of the Pelennor Fields&amp;quot; created by Alan Lee. I have been a fan of his work since receiving that gift.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Long story short, I am trying to buy a product that I would use this illustration on. Due to copyright, I of course cannot get companies to touch or work with the illustration. In order to, I have been trying to find a way to contact Mr. Lee and ask for his permission. Of course, this item would be for personal use, and I have no intention to profit off of his work. Problem being, I cannot find any way to contact him, or if he would be even remotely open to giving me permission. This is the closest link I can find to contacting Mr. Lee, as on the wiki it seems you personally reached out to him for permission to post his work on this wiki. I have considered reaching out to John Howe as they worked on the movies together, but thought against it as I believe it may be a bit disrespectful. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Any advice or a point in the right direction would be amazing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
And thank you for taking the time to read this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mikel Adams [[User:Adamsmik|Adamsmik]] ([[User talk:Adamsmik|talk]]) 17:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Pearls ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Excuse me, I added a mini list (of Valar less enthusiastic for inviting the elves to Valinor) that you removed correcting my contribution back [https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Coming_of_the_Elves_and_the_Making_of_K%C3%B4r&amp;amp;diff=prev&amp;amp;oldid=403989] and I found another place for details about the proto-Battle of Powers [https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_the_Powers&amp;amp;diff=404083&amp;amp;oldid=395102]. However, you removed the sentence &amp;quot;Clams with pearls had however existed since the very beginning of the world.&amp;quot; twice in 2020 from the page [[The Chaining of Melko]], so I do not want to start an edit war, but I still feel that it is an important detail adding context to the creation of Silmarils and it fits exactly after mentioning animals that appeared. Was my language incorrect or are you really against putting this information there? Why? [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 22:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC) [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 22:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>User talk:Mith/2023</title>
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== Can&#039;t upload my artwork all of a sudden ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi, Mith,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
After a long time of not creating art, I&#039;m illustrating Tolkien again. I&#039;ve managed to upload a few new images to my images page, but a day or two ago I wanted to upload additional art, but I got error messages.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
They each pretty much say the same thing (but for different files, since I tried several). An example of one error message is:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Could not open lock file for &amp;quot;mwstore://local-backend/local-public/7/7f/Then_Maedros_Alone_Stood_Aside_-_final_final_-_smaller_file.png&amp;quot;. Make sure your upload directory is configured correctly and your web server has permission to write to that directory.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Then there is a link to mediawiki.org for troubleshooting. But I&#039;m not very savvy about wikis, so I don&#039;t know what to do. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I was uploading just a few days ago. Can you please help me figure out how to unlock my uploading permission?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Thank you very much.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Sincerely,&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Paula DiSante&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;~~~~&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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June 26, 2023 [[User:Pdisante|Pdisante]] ([[User talk:Pdisante|talk]]) 18:59, 26 June 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hi Paula! Ah, I think I see the culprit; we made some upgrades to the wiki yesterday. Go ahead and try again :) [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 19:39, 26 June 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh, thank you so much! I really appreciate it.&lt;br /&gt;
::How long will it take for my new uploads to appear on my &amp;quot;Images by&amp;quot; page?  Is that just a matter of you guys approving the uploads, or does it just naturally take a day or two for them to appear? &lt;br /&gt;
::Thanks again! &lt;br /&gt;
::Sincerely,&lt;br /&gt;
::Paula DiSante [[User:Pdisante|Pdisante]] ([[User talk:Pdisante|talk]]) 03:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Oh, &amp;quot;Images by...&amp;quot; is just a category, so you would just need to add &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[Category:Images by NAME]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; to the bottom of the image summary, and then the image will immediately appear in that category.  [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 03:41, 27 June 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Oh, thank you, Hyarion! Can you tell it has been a LONG time since I&#039;ve done updating to my page? LOL!&lt;br /&gt;
::::Thanks again!&lt;br /&gt;
::::Paula [[User:Pdisante|Pdisante]] ([[User talk:Pdisante|talk]]) 05:36, 27 June 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Photograph ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hope all is going well over there Mith! Do you have a picture of yourself we can use for your article? [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 18:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No. The lack of photo is a deliberate decision. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:29, 5 July 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hi, Farewell and Good Luck ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi, it&#039;s probably the last time I&#039;ll be here. I just popped in (now that LorenzoCB&#039;s block of me for 3 months expired...) to check out the site and say a few things: When I first came to this site I was searching for a better Tolkien site than One Wiki and others, to escape the toxicity of Fandom. And I liked what I found: a site with well-written articles, sources. And it was nice to contribute whenever I could - I just like writing and talking about the Middle-earth legendarium, my favourite works. But then the experince was soured with disagreements with other editors - I was not always right, that&#039;s for sure. But I just began feeling that my contributions are useless, I began editing less and I still got into disagreements, resulting in probable animosity from some users. Even after my (unwarned) blocking I gave thought to coming back, but yeah, I have the feeling of futility and lack of welcome. Not the site&#039;s fault though. The fact I don&#039;t get along with all users doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not better than wikis. But since I don&#039;t feel ok here and Quora&#039;s mostly shabbles, I&#039;ll try start my YouTube channel (have difficulty with animatioms though) - maybe I&#039;ll see you there with any suggestions for shorts: The Great Wanderer it&#039;s called. Keep up the site, though. And sorry for the long message, you probably have better things to do. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Oh, and one last thing: LorenzoCB cited me &amp;quot;imposing&amp;quot; Sauron&#039;s mastery over Saruman throughout the wiki as a reason for my ban. These are some Tolkien quotes about their rapport:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;It was only Sauron who used a Stone for the transference of his superior will, dominating the weaker surveyor and forcing him to reveal hidden thought and to &#039;&#039;&#039;submit to commands&#039;&#039;&#039;.&amp;quot; - Unfinished Tales, Part 4, Ch 3, The Palantíri: Notes, Note 5&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Saruman fell under the domination of Sauron&#039;&#039;&#039; and desired his victory, or no longer opposed it.&amp;quot; - Unfinished Tales, Part 4, Ch 3, The Palantíri&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Though...  the Council may have begun to doubt Saruman&#039;s designs as regarded the Ring, not even Gandalf knew &#039;&#039;&#039;he had become the ally, or servant of Sauron&#039;&#039;&#039;.&amp;quot; - Unfinished Tales, Part 4, Ch 3, The Palantíri&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Your servants are destroyed and scattered; your neighbours you have made your enemies; and &#039;&#039;&#039;you have cheated your new master&#039;&#039;&#039;, or tried to do so.&amp;quot; The Two Towers, LoTR Book 3, Ch 10, The Voice of Saruman&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Yes...&#039; he said, now in a clear voice, &#039;we will have peace, when you and all your works have perished — and the works of &#039;&#039;&#039;your dark master&#039;&#039;&#039; to whom you would deliver us [...] &#039;&#039;&#039;You hold out your hand to me, and I perceive only a finger of the claw of Mordor&#039;&#039;&#039; [...]&amp;quot; - The Two Towers, LoTR Book 3, Ch 10, The Voice of Saruman&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Sauron was Saruman&#039;s master. And Saruman was Sauron&#039;s duplicitous vassal, eager to usurp his lord&#039;s place as ruler of Middle-earth. I never said Saruman was a faithful servant, but he was one of his agents, nonetheless. He still did the Dark Lord&#039;s bidding, even if he plotted a second betrayal. It&#039;s not my interpretation, Tolkien wrote the word &amp;quot;master&amp;quot; for Sauron in relation to Saruman. I&#039;m not doing this to convince someone like LorenzoCB - I just want to show why I wrote what I wrote on articles. If other people&#039;s &amp;quot;interpretations&amp;quot; differ, I can&#039;t change them - I&#039;ve certainly learned that here and on Fandom. Again sorry for the long message. Have a nice time and if you ever have Tolkien video suggestion, you and anybody here is most welcome!--[[User:LordoftheEarth|LordoftheEarth]] ([[User talk:LordoftheEarth|talk]]) 18:49, 13 September 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hi LordoftheEarth, I&#039;m sorry to hear you felt unwelcome on TG; that certainly wasn&#039;t our intention. I think what might have caused the friction is not the content that was being changed, but the continual changing of things that were not in alignment with the [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|style guidelines]] or [[Talk:Saruman#Saruman as a Sauron&#039;s minion|consensus on talk pages]]. We love your enthusiasm, but sometimes it&#039;s best to discuss a change on the talk page, and if the consensus is not in favor of the change, we must agree to disagree and move on to other topics. It&#039;s not uncommon for contributors to be very passionate about a specific subject and want to see the article written how they imagine it, but we have to remember the articles are a culmination of thousands of editors working together. Best of luck with your YouTube channel, you now have double the subscribers! :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 03:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alan Lee Contact ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hello!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ll try to keep this a brief as possible. I received a box set of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings as a child from my father. On the box itself was an illustration I now know is &amp;quot;The Battle of the Pelennor Fields&amp;quot; created by Alan Lee. I have been a fan of his work since receiving that gift.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Long story short, I am trying to buy a product that I would use this illustration on. Due to copyright, I of course cannot get companies to touch or work with the illustration. In order to, I have been trying to find a way to contact Mr. Lee and ask for his permission. Of course, this item would be for personal use, and I have no intention to profit off of his work. Problem being, I cannot find any way to contact him, or if he would be even remotely open to giving me permission. This is the closest link I can find to contacting Mr. Lee, as on the wiki it seems you personally reached out to him for permission to post his work on this wiki. I have considered reaching out to John Howe as they worked on the movies together, but thought against it as I believe it may be a bit disrespectful. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Any advice or a point in the right direction would be amazing.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
And thank you for taking the time to read this. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mikel Adams [[User:Adamsmik|Adamsmik]] ([[User talk:Adamsmik|talk]]) 17:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Pearls ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Excuse me, I added a mini list (of Valar less enthusiastic for inviting the elves to Valinor) that you removed correcting my contribution back [https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Coming_of_the_Elves_and_the_Making_of_K%C3%B4r&amp;amp;diff=prev&amp;amp;oldid=403989] and I found another place for details about the proto-Battle of Powers [https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_the_Powers&amp;amp;diff=404083&amp;amp;oldid=395102]. However, you removed the sentence &amp;quot;Clams with pearls had however existed since the very beginning of the world.&amp;quot; twice in 2020 from the page [[The Chaining of Melko]], so I do not want to start an edit war, but I still feel that it is an important detail adding context to the creation of Silmarils and it fits exactly after mentioning animals that appeared. Was my language incorrect or are you really against putting this information there? Why? [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 22:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC) [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 22:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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== Can&#039;t upload my artwork all of a sudden ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi, Mith,&lt;br /&gt;
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After a long time of not creating art, I&#039;m illustrating Tolkien again. I&#039;ve managed to upload a few new images to my images page, but a day or two ago I wanted to upload additional art, but I got error messages.&lt;br /&gt;
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They each pretty much say the same thing (but for different files, since I tried several). An example of one error message is:&lt;br /&gt;
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Could not open lock file for &amp;quot;mwstore://local-backend/local-public/7/7f/Then_Maedros_Alone_Stood_Aside_-_final_final_-_smaller_file.png&amp;quot;. Make sure your upload directory is configured correctly and your web server has permission to write to that directory.&lt;br /&gt;
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Then there is a link to mediawiki.org for troubleshooting. But I&#039;m not very savvy about wikis, so I don&#039;t know what to do. &lt;br /&gt;
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I was uploading just a few days ago. Can you please help me figure out how to unlock my uploading permission?&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you very much.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sincerely,&lt;br /&gt;
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Paula DiSante&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;~~~~&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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June 26, 2023 [[User:Pdisante|Pdisante]] ([[User talk:Pdisante|talk]]) 18:59, 26 June 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hi Paula! Ah, I think I see the culprit; we made some upgrades to the wiki yesterday. Go ahead and try again :) [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 19:39, 26 June 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh, thank you so much! I really appreciate it.&lt;br /&gt;
::How long will it take for my new uploads to appear on my &amp;quot;Images by&amp;quot; page?  Is that just a matter of you guys approving the uploads, or does it just naturally take a day or two for them to appear? &lt;br /&gt;
::Thanks again! &lt;br /&gt;
::Sincerely,&lt;br /&gt;
::Paula DiSante [[User:Pdisante|Pdisante]] ([[User talk:Pdisante|talk]]) 03:27, 27 June 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Oh, &amp;quot;Images by...&amp;quot; is just a category, so you would just need to add &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[Category:Images by NAME]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; to the bottom of the image summary, and then the image will immediately appear in that category.  [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 03:41, 27 June 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Oh, thank you, Hyarion! Can you tell it has been a LONG time since I&#039;ve done updating to my page? LOL!&lt;br /&gt;
::::Thanks again!&lt;br /&gt;
::::Paula [[User:Pdisante|Pdisante]] ([[User talk:Pdisante|talk]]) 05:36, 27 June 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Photograph ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hope all is going well over there Mith! Do you have a picture of yourself we can use for your article? [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 18:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No. The lack of photo is a deliberate decision. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:29, 5 July 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hi, Farewell and Good Luck ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi, it&#039;s probably the last time I&#039;ll be here. I just popped in (now that LorenzoCB&#039;s block of me for 3 months expired...) to check out the site and say a few things: When I first came to this site I was searching for a better Tolkien site than One Wiki and others, to escape the toxicity of Fandom. And I liked what I found: a site with well-written articles, sources. And it was nice to contribute whenever I could - I just like writing and talking about the Middle-earth legendarium, my favourite works. But then the experince was soured with disagreements with other editors - I was not always right, that&#039;s for sure. But I just began feeling that my contributions are useless, I began editing less and I still got into disagreements, resulting in probable animosity from some users. Even after my (unwarned) blocking I gave thought to coming back, but yeah, I have the feeling of futility and lack of welcome. Not the site&#039;s fault though. The fact I don&#039;t get along with all users doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not better than wikis. But since I don&#039;t feel ok here and Quora&#039;s mostly shabbles, I&#039;ll try start my YouTube channel (have difficulty with animatioms though) - maybe I&#039;ll see you there with any suggestions for shorts: The Great Wanderer it&#039;s called. Keep up the site, though. And sorry for the long message, you probably have better things to do. &lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, and one last thing: LorenzoCB cited me &amp;quot;imposing&amp;quot; Sauron&#039;s mastery over Saruman throughout the wiki as a reason for my ban. These are some Tolkien quotes about their rapport:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;It was only Sauron who used a Stone for the transference of his superior will, dominating the weaker surveyor and forcing him to reveal hidden thought and to &#039;&#039;&#039;submit to commands&#039;&#039;&#039;.&amp;quot; - Unfinished Tales, Part 4, Ch 3, The Palantíri: Notes, Note 5&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Saruman fell under the domination of Sauron&#039;&#039;&#039; and desired his victory, or no longer opposed it.&amp;quot; - Unfinished Tales, Part 4, Ch 3, The Palantíri&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Though...  the Council may have begun to doubt Saruman&#039;s designs as regarded the Ring, not even Gandalf knew &#039;&#039;&#039;he had become the ally, or servant of Sauron&#039;&#039;&#039;.&amp;quot; - Unfinished Tales, Part 4, Ch 3, The Palantíri&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Your servants are destroyed and scattered; your neighbours you have made your enemies; and &#039;&#039;&#039;you have cheated your new master&#039;&#039;&#039;, or tried to do so.&amp;quot; The Two Towers, LoTR Book 3, Ch 10, The Voice of Saruman&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Yes...&#039; he said, now in a clear voice, &#039;we will have peace, when you and all your works have perished — and the works of &#039;&#039;&#039;your dark master&#039;&#039;&#039; to whom you would deliver us [...] &#039;&#039;&#039;You hold out your hand to me, and I perceive only a finger of the claw of Mordor&#039;&#039;&#039; [...]&amp;quot; - The Two Towers, LoTR Book 3, Ch 10, The Voice of Saruman&lt;br /&gt;
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Sauron was Saruman&#039;s master. And Saruman was Sauron&#039;s duplicitous vassal, eager to usurp his lord&#039;s place as ruler of Middle-earth. I never said Saruman was a faithful servant, but he was one of his agents, nonetheless. He still did the Dark Lord&#039;s bidding, even if he plotted a second betrayal. It&#039;s not my interpretation, Tolkien wrote the word &amp;quot;master&amp;quot; for Sauron in relation to Saruman. I&#039;m not doing this to convince someone like LorenzoCB - I just want to show why I wrote what I wrote on articles. If other people&#039;s &amp;quot;interpretations&amp;quot; differ, I can&#039;t change them - I&#039;ve certainly learned that here and on Fandom. Again sorry for the long message. Have a nice time and if you ever have Tolkien video suggestion, you and anybody here is most welcome!--[[User:LordoftheEarth|LordoftheEarth]] ([[User talk:LordoftheEarth|talk]]) 18:49, 13 September 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hi LordoftheEarth, I&#039;m sorry to hear you felt unwelcome on TG; that certainly wasn&#039;t our intention. I think what might have caused the friction is not the content that was being changed, but the continual changing of things that were not in alignment with the [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|style guidelines]] or [[Talk:Saruman#Saruman as a Sauron&#039;s minion|consensus on talk pages]]. We love your enthusiasm, but sometimes it&#039;s best to discuss a change on the talk page, and if the consensus is not in favor of the change, we must agree to disagree and move on to other topics. It&#039;s not uncommon for contributors to be very passionate about a specific subject and want to see the article written how they imagine it, but we have to remember the articles are a culmination of thousands of editors working together. Best of luck with your YouTube channel, you now have double the subscribers! :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 03:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Alan Lee Contact ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hello!&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;ll try to keep this a brief as possible. I received a box set of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings as a child from my father. On the box itself was an illustration I now know is &amp;quot;The Battle of the Pelennor Fields&amp;quot; created by Alan Lee. I have been a fan of his work since receiving that gift.&lt;br /&gt;
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Long story short, I am trying to buy a product that I would use this illustration on. Due to copyright, I of course cannot get companies to touch or work with the illustration. In order to, I have been trying to find a way to contact Mr. Lee and ask for his permission. Of course, this item would be for personal use, and I have no intention to profit off of his work. Problem being, I cannot find any way to contact him, or if he would be even remotely open to giving me permission. This is the closest link I can find to contacting Mr. Lee, as on the wiki it seems you personally reached out to him for permission to post his work on this wiki. I have considered reaching out to John Howe as they worked on the movies together, but thought against it as I believe it may be a bit disrespectful. &lt;br /&gt;
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Any advice or a point in the right direction would be amazing.&lt;br /&gt;
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And thank you for taking the time to read this. &lt;br /&gt;
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Mikel Adams [[User:Adamsmik|Adamsmik]] ([[User talk:Adamsmik|talk]]) 17:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Pearls ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Excuse me, I added a mini list (of Valar less enthusiastic for inviting the elves to Valinor) that you removed correcting my contribution back [https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Coming_of_the_Elves_and_the_Making_of_K%C3%B4r&amp;amp;diff=prev&amp;amp;oldid=403989] and I found another place for details about the proto-Battle of Powers [https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_the_Powers&amp;amp;diff=404083&amp;amp;oldid=395102]. However, you removed the sentence &amp;quot;Clams with pearls had however existed since the very beginning of the world.&amp;quot; twice in 2020 from the page [[The Chaining of Melko]], so I do not want to start an edit war, but I still feel that it is an important detail adding context to the creation of Silmarils and it fits exactly after mentioning animals that appeared. Was my language incorrect or are you really against putting this information there? Why? [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 22:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC) [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] ([[User talk:BartekChom|talk]]) 22:34, 19 August 2024 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mith/2022&amp;diff=420156</id>
		<title>User talk:Mith/2022</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: 2023 and 2024&lt;/p&gt;
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== Email function not working? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was caught up in the IP blocks LorenzoCB put in place to try to keep Dour1234 out for a few weeks. I tried to use the &amp;quot;E-mail this user&amp;quot; function to reach out to Lorenzo and to you, but I don&#039;t think any emails were ever sent; I checked the box to &amp;quot;send me a copy&amp;quot; but got nothing. Can you look into the email function (or get in touch with Hyarion if you can&#039;t do anything about it)? Thanks! --[[Special:Contributions/Mord|Mord]] 04:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:My apologies to Mith for writing in his talkpage, but I guess this appropiate. Mord, I didn&#039;t receive your email, but Mith did and he noticed me of your problem. I wrote you back to your email address a few days ago with my apologies, but maybe it ended in spam (? idk). --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 11:30, 15 March 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::That&#039;s so weird; I just got your email now but it&#039;s backdated(?) to March 11. Anyway the temporary IP blocks expired, which is why I&#039;m able to edit again, so I don&#039;t think anyone needs to do anything else with the blocks - I just wonder if maybe the email server is not processing outbound mail appropriately. --[[Special:Contributions/Mord|Mord]] 05:06, 16 March 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Question ==&lt;br /&gt;
Is there any way I can be blocked from editing article pages, but still be free to suggest things on talk pages? [[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]], 17 March 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t think so, no. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 09:56, 14 May 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== IP Addresses Are Incorrect ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi,&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Tolkien Gateway:Technical To-do|Technical To-do]] pointed me in your direction.&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed [https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Goldberry&amp;amp;curid=2705&amp;amp;diff=361299&amp;amp;oldid=361196 after editing] the [[Goldberry]] article that the wiki attributed my edit to the IP address [https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/172.71.178.157 172.71.178.157].&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking up the IP address, it appears to be registered to Cloudflare and assigned to a server in the UK. They aren’t my ISP, however, nor do I live there. It seems this site is using Cloudflare’s services, though - so this is almost certainly caused by a misconfiguration.&lt;br /&gt;
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I really don’t care about not getting credited for fixing a typo, but I thought I’d bring this to your attention as it will affect edit tracking and bans pertaining to logged-out users - and banning Cloudflare IP addresses might even impact the site’s availability for unrelated users.&lt;br /&gt;
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I’ll try to remember to check back in case you’ve any questions, but the site’s misconfiguration is likely to randomly assign me different IP addresses each time I submit an edit. There’s nothing I can do to prevent that.&lt;br /&gt;
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That really should be fixed. You don’t need me to tell you how abusable this bug is.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.241|141.101.98.241]] 23:31, 5 November 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:This is for [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]]. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:18, 16 December 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Question ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hello.I would like to ask you something.Why don&#039;t you interfere in Tolkien Gateway&#039;s function anymore? Once you did many things here. I mean you uploaded images, you made editings, you change articles e.t.c..Now, you don&#039;t do anything here. Why? --[[User:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου|Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου]] ([[User talk:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου|talk]]), 22:41, 05 December 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I currently feel like I am not useful to the wiki and fellow editors. And I can&#039;t stand the new skin. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:17, 16 December 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Hello.I would like to say something to you.I just read your last message and I have to say that I disagree with all the things you say about yourself.First of all, you insult yourself. And second, you still have to offer things here, on Tolkien Gateway. Nobody forbides you to interfere here, on Tolkien Gateway. Unless you want all of this.In that case, I have nothing else to say. --[[User:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου|Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου]] ([[User talk:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου|talk]]), 12:51, 16 December 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Nah, Mith, we can always use a hand, and you are much missed. The [https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Special:Preferences&amp;amp;wprov=vctw1#mw-prefsection-rendering-skin-skin-prefs skin can be changed], but yep, I hope it is improved. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 19:55, 16 December 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I miss the image uploads. Some of my favourite artists such as [[Lída Holubová]] or [[Matěj Čadil]] used to have their art regularly uploaded to the Tolkien Gateway. And there are many new pictures over the last year they made that are not here, but they could enrich many articles.--[[User:ElwingNinque|ElwingNinque]] ([[User talk:ElwingNinque|talk]]) 11:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>User talk:Mith/2021</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: 2023 and 2024&lt;/p&gt;
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==Maps drawn by J.R.R. Tolkien==&lt;br /&gt;
Since you prefer maps over a description of what is on those maps, why don&#039;t you act in a constructive manner by obtaining the permission of the Tolkien Estate and uploading the maps on the Tolkien Estate Website behind the door to Moria and the First Map of The Lord of the Rings on the thetolkienist website and obtaining the permission of the copyright holder of the redrawn maps of the Second Map of The Lord of the Rings before acting in a destructive manner and deleting a description of what is on The First Map of The Lord of the Rings, which is not available as a file on the Tolkien Gateway? --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 11:34, 2 January 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The issue is less that you&#039;ve described the map, but more that it wasn&#039;t really providing a lot of useful information for the reader. This is an encyclopaedia, not a repository of trivia. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:39, 2 January 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Is [[:File:Christopher Tolkien - The First Map (composite).gif|this the image you say isn&#039;t on the wiki]]? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:44, 2 January 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::That &amp;quot;it is not providing a lot of useful information for the reader&amp;quot; and that it is &amp;quot;trivia&amp;quot; is merely your subjective opinion as one individual reader. Your personal opinion is not representative for the opinion of all the readers of this wiki and frankly I do not write content to please you, but content that could be interesting and not considered to be &amp;quot;trivia&amp;quot; for a lot of other readers. Christopher Tolkien wrote extensively in the History of The Lord of the Rings series books about how the geography of Middle-earth changed when one compares the various maps, so he certainly did not consider changes in geography to be &amp;quot;trivia&amp;quot;. There are Tolkien fans that are enthusiastic about Tolkien&#039;s maps and map making as can be seen in the Other Minds Magazine or in the posts on the Other Minds facebook group Facebook page. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 19:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Do you have access to a copy of The History of The Lord of the Rings, Part 2, The Treason of Isengard? Have you ever looked at the First Map of the Lord of the Rings? If you look at page 299 to page 301, page 302, page 303, page 305 page 309 and compare it with the map that you asked me about, you can see that the map you asked my about is a combination of the maps on page 302, page 303, page 305 and page 309 and that those are merely redrawn maps that Christopher Tolkien redrew from The First Map of the Lord of the Rings and if you have looked on the First Map of the Lord of the Rings includes lots of details, which are not included on the redrawn maps. And no, the First Map of the Lord of the Rings has not been uploaded to the Tolkien Gateway wiki. The First Map of the Lord of the Rings can be found with the following URL https://thetolkienist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/first-map-of-Lord-of-the-Rings_web.jpg The maps on the Tolkien Estate website can be found with the following URL https://www.tolkienestate.com/en/painting/maps/maps.html --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 19:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Yes. What is wrong with the redrawn map by Christopher Tolkien? It has the same detail, does it not? What about that image lacks the detail you need for the Umbar article? I am enthusiastic about maps, too, and I can assure you I am &#039;&#039;extremely&#039;&#039; knowledgeable about Tolkien fandom, but what is the actual analysis or information you are providing here? You are describing the changes referred to by Christopher above, you are literally just describing a static object. Talking about the changes and what they mean would be genuinely useful information. &lt;br /&gt;
::::Also, can you please include more punctuation in your sentences. I think it is contributing to your messages sounding rude, which I hope isn&#039;t your intention. Thanks. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:37, 2 January 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Artwork which I uploaded==&lt;br /&gt;
I was wondering, is there any specific reason why you deleted all artwork by A-denn, and others which I clearly provided evidence of consent on the part of the authors?&lt;br /&gt;
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Also - what about [[:Category:Images by Eva Zahradníková|Eva Zahradníková]], whose artwork is still featured on this site, yet a number of it was deleted by you? -- [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] 12:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It was three months ago so I honestly cannot recall. Undoubtedly there was a reason for removing those ones. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::About A-denn&#039;s artwork (for example, &#039;Makar and Measse&#039;) specifically, perhaps it was the fact that I uploaded it under &#039;A-Denn&#039; instead of &#039;A-denn&#039;. Can you check it out, if you find time? -- [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] 18:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: P.S. What&#039;s up with the font? Is it just me, or has there been a change? -- [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] 12:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
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::I enlarged it at the request of [[User:LorenzoCB]] who said that it is too small. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Capitalization==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi, the subcategories in [[:Category:Titles]] remain wrongly capitalized. Can you move them, please? --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 13:50, 1 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Unfortunately not. In our version of the software it is not possible to move a category. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:37, 2 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Oh, I thought categories could be edited with the bot. I&#039;ll see if I do it manually then and revise things by the way. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 09:43, 3 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The bot can be used to change the categories on an article, but can&#039;t be used to change the category pages themselves. I can bot the former part of this, if you like? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:22, 3 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::That&#039;s what I meant with moving them. Just change the categories in the articles with the correct one and delete the former ones. Sorry, I assumed this was the usual. No hurry at all, but if I don&#039;t point this now I would forget it. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 19:12, 3 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::OK, so Cloudfare is stopping the bot from working properly so I did this manually. But in the process spotted that this is a total mess between [[:C:Titles]], [[:C:Rulers]], and {{redlink|C:Positions and Occupations}}. So this needs work! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 09:35, 21 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Nice work! Holly molly, I had never spotted those categories. In a first sight I&#039;d suggest to remove &amp;quot;Rulers&amp;quot;, as it is redundant and &amp;quot;Titles&amp;quot; is more properly applied; and to change &amp;quot;Positions and occupations&amp;quot; to simply &amp;quot;Occupations&amp;quot;. And we also have [[:Category:Epithets]], which I wished to revise at some point. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 10:10, 21 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Info boxes ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have a simple, stupid question. How do you create an info box for a personal user page? &lt;br /&gt;
Many thanks! --[[User:Erónèhire|Erónèhire]] 16:58, 23 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:You use [[Template:User infobox]]. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:16, 27 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== TolkienGateway Chat ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was curious about this application, but I am having difficulty accessing it. Could you help direct me?--[[User:Erónèhire|Erónèhire]] 17:42, 9 March 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Seems it is fallen since long ago. Mith, it would be nice to delete that page, it also confused me when I first saw it. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 08:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Why don&#039;t we reboot it? give it a kick and get it running? We could have meetings where even those too inexperienced to format new pages could give suggestions. I have a few, and I might as well suggest them now; 1. Get rid of the J.R.R. Tolkien IQ when replying to a message. 2. Add more questions to the Tolkien IQ for editors (Preferably ones that only people who have read his works could answer). 3. And, this is kind of frivolous, but we could design a &#039;Tolkien&#039;s Works&#039; quiz page and a leader-board.--[[User:Erónèhire|Erónèhire]] 15:57, 10 March 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Melko ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;ve noticed that many articles have the word &#039;Melko&#039; in them. I am assuming that it means Melkor, but nowhere that I have read in Tolkien&#039;s books does he name him as &#039;Melko.&#039; What&#039;s up with this? Is it a spelling error?--[[User:Erónèhire|Erónèhire]] 03:59, 10 March 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:&#039;&#039;Melko&#039;&#039; is the early [[Qenya]] name used by Tolkien in earlier versions of the [[legendarium]]. You may notice that this and other spellings (like &#039;&#039;Earendel&#039;&#039; instead of &#039;&#039;Earendil&#039;&#039;) are used in articles or sections dealing with &#039;&#039;[[The Book of Lost Tales]]&#039;&#039; or other earlier texts. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 08:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, thank you! I had forgotten about the Quenyan roots.--[[User:Erónèhire|Erónèhire]] 15:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: LorenzoCB is correct, although not sure why he is replying to comments on other people&#039;s talk pages! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:58, 29 December 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Sorry, that was kinda rude; but I felt the need of answering because there were some other users &amp;quot;correcting&amp;quot; Melko during those days. I&#039;m also sorry for tagging you as inactive, I didn&#039;t remember your recent edit from some weeks ago. Nice to see you around! --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 11:14, 30 December 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Proof of artists&#039; consent ==&lt;br /&gt;
A-denn (https://imgur.com/a/xcGqYWY) and&lt;br /&gt;
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Artigas (https://imgur.com/a/BOggA8r). [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] 20:02, 1 July 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Olga Kalinichenko (https://imgur.com/a/nWdTtci).&lt;br /&gt;
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Marina Muscan (https://imgur.com/a/S2vyiNM).&lt;br /&gt;
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Janet Georgiou (https://imgur.com/a/HV3BgmW).&lt;br /&gt;
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- [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] 16:26, 4 April 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Isildus&#039;s Bane &amp;amp; the One ring==&lt;br /&gt;
I looked in &amp;quot;To Do&amp;quot; page and I found that Isildur&#039;s Bane needed to be merged with the One ring article. The problem is that I am new in Tolkien Gateway and I don&#039;t know how to merge articles. How can I do it?&lt;br /&gt;
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:You need to ensure that all the content is copied across to the article you wish to merge into - ensure there is no duplication - and then create a redirect from the article you are merging from. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:01, 29 December 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== hi ==&lt;br /&gt;
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thanks 4 the intro. [[User:J3wzus|J3wzus]] ([[User Talk:J3wzus|Talk]]) 9:38 27 November 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No problem, but the bot does it for me! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:02, 29 December 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Welcome Again ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Welcome again laddy. Welcome. Where have you been all this time? Why didn&#039;t you edited anything on Tolkien Gateway all this time? I am just asking you.[[User:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου|Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου]] 14:07, 30 December 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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OK.OK.Let me explain. Can I? {{unsigned|Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thanks. I&#039;ve been busy. What would you like to explain? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:53, 30 December 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::That I am trying to expand Tolkien Gateway, not to ruin it.[[User:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου|Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου]] 20:29, 30 December 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I understand that, but we are Tolkien Gateway, not LOTR on Prime Actors Gateway. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:58, 30 December 2021 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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==Can you add some pictures for me?==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey Mith! I&#039;ve gotten really into the Shadow of Mordor games and I wanted to write some articles! I&#039;ve been working on expanding the Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War articles, but I am also making some on the side characters. I&#039;m currently working on one for Ratbag The Coward. When it&#039;s done, could you add some pictures for me? {{unsigned|Shelob&#039;sWeb}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t upload images for other users, but once you have made sufficient edits you will be able to upload images yourself. However, this is Tolkien Gateway and we generally don&#039;t go into that level of detail and the probably better belongs on [https://shadowofwar.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_of_War_Wiki other] [https://shadowofwar.gamepedia.com/Middle-earth:_Shadow_of_War_Wiki wikis]. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:34, 15 February 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ainulindali Project ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi! I&#039;m currently working on a project comparing the main versions of the &#039;&#039;Ainulindale&#039;&#039;: [[User:Quentandil/sandbox#Ainulindali]]. Could I make it an article as [[:Category:Tolkien Gateway research|Tolkien Gateway research]], please? Also, would it fall on copyright infringement? I don&#039;t think so, as I&#039;m not giving the full text, but the paragraphs separately. What do you think? --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 13:26, 1 February 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What you&#039;re doing is undoubtedly interesting. Unfortunately, it is beyond the scope of this wiki and I almost certainly believe it does amount to copyright infringement when you consider just how much text you are copying. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:29, 15 February 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Ok, I&#039;ll remove it from my sandbox as soon as I find what to do. Thanks.--[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 14:21, 16 February 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Orcs of Isengard ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was wondering if I could make an article on the Orcs in Isengard.  Because not all the &amp;quot;Isengarders&amp;quot; were Uruk-hai and Half-orcs/Goblin-men ---- the company led by Uglúk consisted of Uruk-hai like Lugdush as well as Orcs such as Snaga; after imprisoning Gandalf for refusing to submit to Sauron or help him gain the One Ring for himself, Saruman gathered Wolves and Orcs to Isengard. &lt;br /&gt;
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But don&#039;t do they also fall in the Orcs of the Misty Mountains category, as that&#039;s were most of them came from to attack Rohan? So, do they deserve their own page, or are they better listed among the Orcs that inhabited Moria, Gundabad, Goblin-Town...? --[[User:LordoftheEarth|LordoftheEarth]] 09:20, 22 May 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Theoretically I don&#039;t have an issue with it, but in practical terms I think it might be too granular and not have that much information. What was your thinking? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:25, 20 June 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sauron pictures==&lt;br /&gt;
Hello there. I appreciate your recent hard work fixing some articles, but I disagree with removing Sauron&#039;s pictures. It was me who added most of them on the grounds that such a big article about a millennia-spanning character would be more aestheticaly pleasing and readable if there is a pic for almost every section. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 18:38, 14 June 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The problem was it was just over-crowded, particularly on higher resolutions; on my computer they were just all stacking on top of each other and it looked a bit of a mess, to be honest. I&#039;m happy for a couple more to come back in but we really can&#039;t have an image every second or third paragraph like we had before. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:05, 14 June 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Templates==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi, could you please allow others to edit the templates like it was before? --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 16:35, 22 July 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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We want to make a template for the Lords of Gondolin: [[Talk:Twelve Houses of the Gondothlim#A New Template for the Leaders of the Twelve Houses]]. It is fine if you want to take responsibility for the templates, but don&#039;t disappear then.--[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 09:43, 25 July 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I&#039;ve put a suggestion on [[Talk:Twelve Houses of the Gondothlim]] - let me know what you think. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:58, 20 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sorontur ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I am sorry, did I mix something up? [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Thorondor&amp;amp;action=historysubmit&amp;amp;diff=317952&amp;amp;oldid=317876 In the entry &amp;quot;Sorontur&amp;quot;], there is SORO and reference to Meril-i-Turinqi for -tur. The name Sorontur is mentioned in &amp;quot;[[The Coming of the Valar and the Building of Valinor]]&amp;quot; in the description of the house of Manwë. [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] 19:58, 14 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Apologies, because the reference was halfway through the sentence I assumed it only applied to the bit in brackets. I have moved it to the end of the sentence and removed the &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{fact}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;s. Apologies for the confusion. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:49, 17 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I am sorry, it applied to the part before it. I cannot see &amp;quot;Thorntor&amp;quot;. This name probably appears in another part of HoME. In The Book of Lost Tales I do not see much about the Ilkorin language. [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] 16:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Main Page Error ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey Mith,&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve noticed for the past two weeks (though I&#039;ve forgotten to mention it the first and second time) that one the place on the Main Page where it indicates the day in the Shire-calendar, the word &amp;quot;[[Mersday]]&amp;quot; is misspelled as &amp;quot;Merstag.&amp;quot; I believe that&#039;s a typo, but it&#039;s causing a redlink and I wanted to bring it to your attention. --{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}} 23:15, 15 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thanks for letting me know. I&#039;ve fixed it. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ilinsor and the Moon ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I am sorry for language errors and writing in ugly and unclear style. Thank you for your corrections. However I would like to preserve details that I added: a) that [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Ilinsor&amp;amp;action=historysubmit&amp;amp;diff=318178&amp;amp;oldid=318173 Ilinsor was Súru, not one of Mánir] (directly in the article about him - I have already readded it) b) (ad [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Moon&amp;amp;diff=next&amp;amp;oldid=317619]) that the Rose was like Silpion (besides it seems that removing dew was the explanations of the phases and wobbling could be another detail, maybe explanation for differing orientation of the crescent moon). c) Before [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Tale_of_the_Sun_and_Moon&amp;amp;curid=36277&amp;amp;diff=318171&amp;amp;oldid=317556] I must have written completely unclear. Eriol was supposed to visit Gilfanon after both of them finish their stay in Lindo&#039;s  Cottage of Lost Play. (Gilfanon even said (probably joked) to Eriol that one could think that Lindo tries to get rid of two guests at once.) Valar trying to heal the Trees only were only wasting light. Manwë and Aulë told so. I nowhere in the chapter see &amp;quot;rose&amp;quot; with small &amp;quot;r&amp;quot; as a name for the Moon (roses in the garden of Vána withered). That the Sun was too hot is an important detail - that is why the Moon was necessary, and that the Moon was heavier that the Sun is suggested in many places. [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] 16:34, 17 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:On Ilinsor, it is confusing to have &amp;quot;Sylphs (Suru)&amp;quot; without explanation; it&#039;s not helpful to the reader. Either remove one or explain both. I removed Suru as the link was the Sylphs, but I&#039;ve just changed it if it makes you feel more comfortable.&lt;br /&gt;
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:On the Moon, I think we were straying too far into trivia with a lot of tangential detail on a concept Tolkien later abandoned. That&#039;s why I shortened it. If you think I have misrepresented the text then please change it, although I would encourage you to review your spelling and grammar before commiting an edit. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:56, 17 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Thank you. Only that I like these details the most. They are in separate sections and do not disturb these reading about canon.&lt;br /&gt;
:: Definitely I should check for typos, but I have problems with vocabulary and style. Eg. When to write &amp;quot;said&amp;quot;, when &amp;quot;told&amp;quot;? Is it a mechanical rule: &amp;quot;somebody said something&amp;quot; but &amp;quot;somebody told somebody something&amp;quot;? Is it better to use &amp;quot;for&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;because&amp;quot;? When to use &amp;quot;the&amp;quot; before proper names and uncountable and plural nouns? When after &amp;quot;and&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;the sun and (the) moon&amp;quot;) and &amp;quot;of&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;the end of (the) night&amp;quot;)?&lt;br /&gt;
:: I start to suspect that &#039;&#039;Vě&#039;&#039; should be &#039;&#039;Vê&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;Űr&#039;&#039; should be &#039;&#039;Ûr&#039;&#039;. [[wikipedia:Windows-1250|Windows-1250]], encoding used in Poland, does not have Ê or Û. Should I correct it or wait for someone who has the English version to confirm? [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] 05:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I get that you liked those details but they were disconnected from other sentences and needed to actually be a part of the narrative. In terms of English, I can&#039;t really provide English instruction, but I can confirm that the terms are Vê and Ûr; if you are unsure in future I would suggest avoiding editing articles with those included. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 06:33, 18 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Thank you. Next time I will ask when in doubts. Now I am going to try to connect the details with the narrative. [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] 16:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Devices and more devices==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Mith! I just made a suggestion [[:Category talk:Flags and Devices|here]], but I wanted to point you out that [:Category:Images of signs and symbols] needs a clean up. There are up to three files of each image and I don&#039;t see the need of that: [:File:John Howe - Icon Rohan transparent.png], [:File:John Howe - Icon Rohan.jpg], [:File:John Howe - Rohan nation icon.gif]. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 19:32, 19 September 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree. The duplications I think were because we were using them in different ways (such as in userbox), but I think in the above example only the first one need be kept. Cheers! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:00, 4 October 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Done. I simplified things with the symbols categories. I know that some userboxers are uglier know, but they all have the same style know. If someone changes the current icons with some transparent, great, but I hope it is applied to all and not randomly with several duplicates. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 23:53, 7 March 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I did it myself. Sorry for uploading them AGAIN and making you delete so many things, but now they all have the same format, name and size, and the userboxes look nice. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 10:23, 12 March 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Typography ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the article [[Timeline/First_Age]], dashes in this line look strange:&lt;br /&gt;
: The remaining [[Sons of Fëanor]]--[[Maedhros]], [[Maglor]], [[Amrod]], and [[Amras]] - begin to feel tormented by their [[Oath of Fëanor|unfulfilled oath]].&lt;br /&gt;
I suspect that they should be the same (or should they not?), but what variant is correct?&lt;br /&gt;
: The remaining [[Sons of Fëanor]]–[[Maedhros]], [[Maglor]], [[Amrod]], and [[Amras]]–begin to feel tormented by their [[Oath of Fëanor|unfulfilled oath]].&lt;br /&gt;
: The remaining [[Sons of Fëanor]]—[[Maedhros]], [[Maglor]], [[Amrod]], and [[Amras]]—begin to feel tormented by their [[Oath of Fëanor|unfulfilled oath]].&lt;br /&gt;
: The remaining [[Sons of Fëanor]] – [[Maedhros]], [[Maglor]], [[Amrod]], and [[Amras]] – begin to feel tormented by their [[Oath of Fëanor|unfulfilled oath]].&lt;br /&gt;
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: The remaining [[Sons of Fëanor]] — [[Maedhros]], [[Maglor]], [[Amrod]], and [[Amras]] — begin to feel tormented by their [[Oath of Fëanor|unfulfilled oath]].&lt;br /&gt;
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:Done. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:01, 4 October 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Thank you very much. [[User:BartekChom|BartekChom]] 15:48, 4 October 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
==Races of BoLT==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi there, sorry for forgetting to reply to you. I created that category with the possibility in mind that we might create some categories about BoLT-specific topics, like [[:Category:Characters in The Book of Lost Tales|characters]] and locations (not such category existing yet) that mainly appear there. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 08:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:OK, so what&#039;s the plan with that category? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:07, 31 October 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Arwen==&lt;br /&gt;
Care to explain why you reverted my edit on [[Arwen]]? Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/75.118.149.152|75.118.149.152]] 08:14, 8 November 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Lack of citations. When you press &amp;quot;rollback&amp;quot; it is impossible to provide a reason but you don&#039;t get to declare how this wiki functions. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Thanks for explaining. I&#039;ll rework the content to include citations. [[Special:Contributions/75.118.149.152|75.118.149.152]] 18:46, 8 November 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== F.O. 171 or F.O. 172? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi Mith! I noticed that references to [[Fourth Age 172|F.O. 172]] across the wiki have been mostly corrected to [[Fourth Age 171|F.O. 171]]. I can&#039;t find a reason for this that wouldn&#039;t also apply to other Fourth Age years; the note on F.O. 171 states only that the Gondor reckoning of the date of copying of the Red Book of Westmarch from the Thain&#039;s Book is F.O. 172 without getting into the &#039;&#039;why&#039;&#039; of the matter. Can you shed some light on this? I&#039;d like to add a more robust explanation on [[Fourth Age 171|F.O. 171]] for the discrepancy if possible. Thanks! --[[Special:Contributions/75.118.149.152|75.118.149.152]] 23:21, 16 November 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Check the note on [[Fourth Age 171]]. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:39, 30 December 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==HM|Scheme==&lt;br /&gt;
Hello.&lt;br /&gt;
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What is the intended usage for &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{HM|Scheme}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; referring to the Reader&#039;s Companion? There isn&#039;t a section called &amp;quot;Scheme&amp;quot; in the book and I don&#039;t see a consistent usage here in citations. Does it refer to the &amp;quot;Chronologies, Calendars and Moons&amp;quot; table in pages xlviii and xlix? &lt;br /&gt;
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And another question: I see the date-articles have some inconsistently placed &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;noinclude&amp;gt;...&amp;lt;/noinclude&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; tags. As far as I know these tags are used in template pages. Do you know who put them? Should I remove them when I see them? [[User:Sage|Sage]] 08:47, 3 December 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I see one of the effects of the &amp;quot;noinclude&amp;quot;-tag is that it prevents the Table of Contents from appearing, which is perhaps undesireable for the Date-articles. However if this is the reason, we could use NOTOC instead. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 09:06, 3 December 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::No idea - this was Morgan&#039;s template! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:54, 6 December 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Ah, the old Her Majesty template. It was created by Ederchil way back, originally intended as a general citation template for the HoMe books and some other works. I can&#039;t really answer your questions, Sage, since this template has mostly been superseeded by individual templates. However, the &amp;quot;Scheme&amp;quot; [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?445386 referes] to the &amp;quot;colored reproduction of a manuscript page showing a synoptic time-scheme used by Tolkien while writing &amp;quot;The Lord of the Rings&amp;quot;. It summarizes the movements of characters between the 8th and the 12th of March 1419 (Shire Calendar).&amp;quot;.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:23, 6 December 2020 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mith/2019&amp;diff=420153</id>
		<title>User talk:Mith/2019</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: 2023 and 2024&lt;/p&gt;
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&amp;lt;table style=&amp;quot;border: 1px solid #c0c090; background-color: #f8eaba; width:80%; margin-left: auto; margin-right:auto;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;tr&amp;gt; &amp;lt;td rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Archive.png|50px|link=]]&amp;lt;/td&amp;gt;&amp;lt;td&amp;gt;&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;talk&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;text-align: center; padding:5px; clear: both;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;Welcome to [[User:Mith|Mith]]&#039;s talk page archive.&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/td&amp;gt;&amp;lt;td rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Nuvola apps edu languages.png|none|50px|link=]]&amp;lt;/td&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/tr&amp;gt;&amp;lt;tr&amp;gt;&amp;lt;td&amp;gt;This is an &#039;&#039;&#039;archive&#039;&#039;&#039; of past discussions. &#039;&#039;&#039;Do not edit the contents of this page.&#039;&#039;&#039; If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the [[User talk:Mith|current talk page]].&amp;lt;/td&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/tr&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/table&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Enormous New Tolkien Exhibit!==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey Mith, check this out! This is huge!&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.openculture.com/2019/01/the-largest-j-r-r-tolkien-exhibit-in-generations-is-coming-to-the-u-s.html&lt;br /&gt;
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--{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:Check the location on my profile. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 21:26, 14 January 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Wow. I&#039;m such a Took. Sorry. --{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hobitit ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Why didn&#039;t anyone edit this page before? You could have added these information before me. {{unsignedanon|80.107.134.88}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:I could, but I didn&#039;t. There is no commissioning editor for Tolkien Gateway, so each user edits what they want to edit. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:13, 7 June 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Middle-earτh Shadow of War ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hello.Can you upload at least one image related to the videogame [[Middle-earth: Shadow  of War|Middle-earth Shadow of War]]?I don&#039;t have the ability to upload images on Tolkien Gateway but you do. {{unsignedanon|94.64.73.128}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:I do, but I don&#039;t want to do it! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:31, 8 June 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Only one image and nothing more. {{unsignedanon|94.64.73.128}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Nope. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:48, 10 June 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Reverts to [[Kings&#039; Reckoning]] edits? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is there a particular reason why &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; my edits over the past year to the [[Kings&#039; Reckoning]] have been reverted? I tried to keep my revisions contained so if there was some problem with one of them, that 1 revision could easily be reverted, but why revert them all? Even adding a &#039;&#039;fact&#039;&#039; tag and a link to [[Elven]] had to be reverted? --[[User:Murlo|Murlo]] 07:08, 11 June 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Apologies, I only saw the latest edit and I only intended to revert that rather than the, all. The reason for wanting to revert the last one is we generally use &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{sources}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; over repeated &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{fact}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;s. Sorry about that; I was rushing and must have missed that you had other edits there. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:50, 11 June 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::OK, I see now. Thanks for the clarification. Maybe I&#039;ll make note of the translations that still need sources in that article&#039;s talk page instead. --[[User:Murlo|Murlo]] 21:25, 11 June 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Please stop editing my talk page (it being mine). Don&#039;t feel the need to reply to this message. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:14, 28 July 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Amazon Middle-earth series ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Why doesn&#039;t someone create page about the Amazon Middle-earth series? {{unsignedanon|80.107.122.67}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t know, I can&#039;t speak for everyone. As I explainted above to 80.107.134.88, the things that get edited and created and are the things the editors want to do. No one directs the editors to what they &amp;quot;should&amp;quot; edit. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:34, 28 July 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Image ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hello. I  would like to upload images on Tolkien Gateway. Can you allow me? {{unsigned|Gegou}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:No. You have to have a certain number of edits before you can; it happens automatically. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:39, 2 August 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Template:Webcite==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi, can we please have the [[Template:Webcite]] with the &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; tags? I have to copy it from somewhere else, as it is incomplete. Or there is any reason why it must be just like that? Thanks. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 11:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;quot;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;quot; isn&#039;t part of the template so shouldn&#039;t be included in the usage information; there are (albeit rare) occasions where someone will use &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{webcite}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; without using &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; tags (such as when part of another template). I&#039;m sure you can remember to type &amp;quot;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;quot;. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:13, 28 August 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Changing username==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi, Ederchil told me to ask you: Would it be possible to change my username? I started editing a few things and now I&#039;m non stopping and it feels weird having my name everywhere. No hurry, and if it&#039;s too complicated, I&#039;ll keep editing as always. Thanks! --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 17:14, 21 August 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Unfortunately in our version of the MediaWiki software this isn&#039;t possible. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:14, 28 August 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Oh... Thanks anyways.--[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 14:59, 28 August 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Complaint ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Fool. Why did you do that? After all I have done in Tolkien Gateway? You only know how to blog other users don&#039;t you? {{unsigned|Gegou}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:I blocked you because I asked you to remove plagiarised material and you didn&#039;t do so, and secondly to upload files in line with our naming conventions, which you also failed to do. If you continue to persist in breaching policy you will continue to get blocked. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:17, 22 September 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Complaint as well ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Really, you had to delete my article? I understand that it is a race of spiders, but still, I felt it was important to show their portrayal in &amp;quot;Flies and Spiders&amp;quot;. I spent over an hour on that! Look, I get it. You&#039;re an administrator. But next time, please, let me make a copy before you delete it so I can have it in my personal archives. I like to keep what I write, even if it is just to myself, and you just deleted hours of work.&lt;br /&gt;
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Aha, I&#039;ve just found this quote on the Tolkien Gateway official page! Tolkien Gateway is determined to inform you as much as possible about J.R.R. Tolkien and his masterpieces. Our goal is to have the most complete database about Middle-earth and Tolkien as possible. Do you not consider me as helping inform? If you want &amp;quot;the most complete database&amp;quot;, then you&#039;re going to have to dive in to every little thing. Such as, Mirkwood Spiders. {{unsigned|Shelob&#039;sWeb}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:There is already an article on [[Spiders]] in this website. You could mention the Mirkwood spiders in there if you wish to do so instead of writing another article on a certain branch of spiders, especially as the Spiders article needs cleanup and expansion. --{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::Indeed, that&#039;s exactly where a reference to Mirkwood spiders should go. But more specific information on why I deleted the article:&lt;br /&gt;
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::* It had no categories&lt;br /&gt;
::* It had no references&lt;br /&gt;
::* It had no introduction&lt;br /&gt;
::* It had no body as described in [[TG:MOS]]&lt;br /&gt;
::* It was mostly one long quote from Flies and Spiders, and probably better within that article. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:05, 8 October 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Question about Pictures ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I haven&#039;t reached enough edits to put up pictures, but I intend to. Could you explain to me how fair use of them works and how I can upload them staying within guidelines? {{unsigned|Shelob&#039;sWeb}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Version ==&lt;br /&gt;
Just relaized we still run on MediaWiki 1.17. That&#039;s a version from 2011, the most recent stable release is 1.33.1. Everything below vanilla 1.31 is no longer supported. Is an update feasible? There won&#039;t be much use for many of the features, but in terms of security and performance it&#039;s always better to keep up to date. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:23, 20 November 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Funnily enough I was speaking to [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] about this recently and I believe the aim is to look at an upgrade over Christmas. I would like to do a responsive design as well so this works well properly on mobile. Thanks for the nudge! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:37, 20 November 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== New category for servants of Tevildo and Grima Wormtongue ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Should we make a category for the &amp;quot;thanes of Tevildo&amp;quot;? There are several cats in his employ (&#039;&#039;&#039;Umuiyan&#039;&#039;&#039;, &#039;&#039;&#039;Miaule&#039;&#039;&#039;, &#039;&#039;&#039;Oikeroi&#039;&#039;&#039;...) and &#039;&#039;&#039;Beren&#039;&#039;&#039; was also briefly forced into a thrall of &#039;&#039;&#039;Tevildo the Prince of Cats&#039;&#039;&#039;. Or should I just put them in the category for the &#039;&#039;servants of Melko/Melkor/Morgoth&#039;&#039;? Also, since &#039;&#039;&#039;Grima Wormtongue&#039;&#039;&#039; gave up information on the Shire to the &#039;&#039;&#039;Witch-king of Angmar&#039;&#039;&#039; (at least out of fear) and revealed &#039;&#039;&#039;Saruman&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;s double treachery can he be counted as a servant of &#039;&#039;&#039;Sauron&#039;&#039;&#039; (even if he is doing it out of cowardice and genuine fear for his own life)? --[[User:LordoftheEarth|LordoftheEarth]] 10:04, 14 December 2019 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:In my view, no. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:09, 23 December 2019 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mith/2018&amp;diff=420152</id>
		<title>User talk:Mith/2018</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: 2023 and 2024&lt;/p&gt;
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== Apologies ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m sorry again for what happened with [[Talk:Samwise Gamgee]]. It was a stupid decision of mine! I should have cleared it with you first. --[[User:DoctorWellington|DoctorWellington]] 02:08, 18 January 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Don&#039;t worry about it. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:00, 20 January 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Image Upload ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi,&lt;br /&gt;
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I was trying to upload better quality versions of some pictures, namely from Jackson&#039;s Fellowship of the Ring and Bakshi&#039;s The Lord of the Rings (of which I recently acquired a Blu-ray copy of), but I found no upload option anywhere. Is it some limitation for being a new user or am I missing the upload option? Thanks in advance. [[User:Alexrd|Alexrd]] 12:00, 22 March 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes, it is limited for new users. You will need to make a certain number of edits before you can upload. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 06:35, 25 March 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::That explains it then. Thanks. [[User:Alexrd|Alexrd]] 16:23, 25 March 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hi again, quick question. When I&#039;m uploading a better version of a picture, do I need to [[Template:Delete|tag it for deletion]] so that the old versions can be removed later or it simply doesn&#039;t matter? [[User:Alexrd|Alexrd]] 15:44, 7 April 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::On an image page you can upload a new version of an image. The original one will be just be overwritten, and wherever it is used on the wiki it will also be overwritten. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:45, 7 April 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yes, I was refering to the old versions listed at the bottom, once the new one is uploaded. [[User:Alexrd|Alexrd]] 15:48, 7 April 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::You cannot mark them for deletion, and they will be kept. At some point we may wish to revert to an older version, just as older revisions of an article are kept. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:50, 7 April 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
==Dwarf vandal== &lt;br /&gt;
That guy doesn&#039;t seem to be getting the hint. Sadly, I can&#039;t check regularly - I&#039;m on vacation till Tuesday. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:18, 28 April 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Don&#039;t worry about it. I think we might need to protect more pages but we&#039;ll see how we go! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 07:09, 29 April 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== GDPR ==&lt;br /&gt;
How are we for GDPR compliance? I&#039;ve read it&#039;s more or less covered by the most recent MW update, but haven&#039;t been able to find any confirmation of that. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:01, 25 May 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Also, any chance of a SSL cert? Those things are becoming all the rage (and quite a necessity, SEO-wise) of late. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:56, 21 June 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::On both of these things I don&#039;t actually know: it&#039;s Hyarion&#039;s domain! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:33, 18 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Using citation templates on other wikis ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hello Mith. Would it be permissible or would it be inappropriate to copy Tolkien Gateway&#039;s citation templates for use on other Lord of the Rings-related wikis? {{User:Sullathron/sig}} 02:39, 13 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:With the appropriate credit in line with our copyright policy, sure! Although I would say to any editor that they should consider editing Tolkien Gateway as the most comprehensive Tolkien-specific wiki. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:35, 18 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Thanks! How would I do that, just mention on the template page that it was copied from this wiki? {{User:Sullathron/sig}} 18:40, 19 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::However that particularly wiki usually does its copyright attribution. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:32, 21 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Question on Special:PopularPages==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi, Mith! I&#039;m new to Tolkien Gateway and an occasional editor on The One Wiki to Rule Them All. I was just wondering whether you&#039;d know whether the Special:PopularPages page lists pageviews on a weekly, monthly, or lifetime basis. I noticed that the page itself does not specify that, so I&#039;d be very grateful to you if you would be willing to satisfy my insatiable curiosity. Thanks in advance! :) --[[User:ShireHobbit|ShireHobbit]] 22:15, 21 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Lifetime, I believe. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 23:06, 21 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Thanks! [[User:ShireHobbit|ShireHobbit]] 17:19, 23 July 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Infoboxes ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Dear Mith, I&#039;m a little new here (as in I-just-joined-like-9-hours-ago new) and I&#039;m a little confused on how to create infoboxes. I cut and pasted the one on my homepage, but could you tell me how to do it from scratch? Thanks! [[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 00:52, 10 August 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Oh, oops. I just found it on the [[TG:Community Portal|Community Portal]] page. *slams face on desk* [[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 00:52, 10 August 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Source Additions==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey Mith, I&#039;ve begun adding new citations to the article on the [[Ring Verse]]. Could you check it out and give me some feedback on it? Thanks!--[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 16:37, 18 August 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:They look good to me! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:08, 19 August 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I polished them up. Don&#039;t forget to reuse refs. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:28, 19 August 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::OK, thanks! --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 18:27, 19 August 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The urgent issue of Aragorn&#039;s &amp;amp; Arvegil&#039;s ages ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I am very sad to see that you reverted out my addition of the extremely important,so far as purists/nitpickers are concerned,ambiguity in Arvegil&#039;s age and birth-year created by the revision of Aragorn&#039;s age in the most assiduously corrected editions of TLotR.Was this vanity for your own revision or did you have a real reason that you failed to disclose?[[Special:Contributions/12.144.5.2|12.144.5.2]] 00:40, 26 August 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:This isn&#039;t an urgent issue. But to answer your slightly rude suggestion, the reason it was reverted was because it both contained speculation and was without references; also, it came across a little irrelevant to the rest of the article, just dropped in a piece of trivia. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:15, 26 August 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::&amp;quot;Without references&amp;quot;?...it relates to particularly cited text in Appendix A,and calls into question a great deal of the article&#039;s other content in a manner making &amp;quot;speculation&amp;quot; absolutely mandatory.(The &amp;quot;two hundred and ten&amp;quot; appears on page 1044 of the 50th Anniversary one-volume,but there are too many editions of TLotR to make any sense giving a page reference.It&#039;s the paragraph before the subhead for &amp;quot;Gondor and the Heirs of Anarion&amp;quot;.)[[Special:Contributions/12.144.5.2|12.144.5.2]] 21:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Edit Questions==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi Mith, please forgive me if I come across as bothersome with my all of my questions, but I&#039;ve noticed that whenever I edit a page, one of the same three questions always appears at the top of the edit box. I fully realize that those are there for security reasons (which is brilliant), but I feel like they&#039;re a little bit redundant and am a little bit worried about the level of security. Is it possible to maybe add a few more basic questions just to keep the edits safer? Again, sorry if this is a bother. --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 00:55, 10 December 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The short answer is no - those questions are very effective in filtering out spammers. But, you shouldn&#039;t be getting those questions at all: are you logged in when making those edits? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:39, 12 December 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::OK, I get it, Thank you! I used to get them even when I was logged in, but I guess that was before I was autoconfirmed. --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 16:09, 12 December 2018 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mith/2017&amp;diff=420151</id>
		<title>User talk:Mith/2017</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Mith: 2023 and 2024&lt;/p&gt;
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&amp;lt;table style=&amp;quot;border: 1px solid #c0c090; background-color: #f8eaba; width:80%; margin-left: auto; margin-right:auto;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;tr&amp;gt; &amp;lt;td rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Archive.png|50px|link=]]&amp;lt;/td&amp;gt;&amp;lt;td&amp;gt;&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;talk&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;text-align: center; padding:5px; clear: both;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;Welcome to [[User:Mith|Mith]]&#039;s talk page archive.&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/td&amp;gt;&amp;lt;td rowspan=&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Image:Nuvola apps edu languages.png|none|50px|link=]]&amp;lt;/td&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/tr&amp;gt;&amp;lt;tr&amp;gt;&amp;lt;td&amp;gt;This is an &#039;&#039;&#039;archive&#039;&#039;&#039; of past discussions. &#039;&#039;&#039;Do not edit the contents of this page.&#039;&#039;&#039; If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the [[User talk:Mith|current talk page]].&amp;lt;/td&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/tr&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/table&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Discussion ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I would like to be discussed something generally.Read [[User talk:2.86.255.128#Tolkien Gateway and The Hobbit film|here]]. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}&lt;br /&gt;
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: I am aware of the discussion, so you don&#039;t have to prompt me to read the discussion. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:42, 4 January 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::All these games that I added on Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment do exist.Why didn&#039;t you put these games on this page earlier? Before me no-one else had ever said about these games on Tolkien Gateway. You could have mentioned these games earlier on Tolkien Gateway, but you didn&#039;t.Why? Also, these games do exist in this title that I have just edited. You can search for it on Internet. You couild create pages about these games on Tolkien Gateway. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::I saw that only two of these games are mentioned in Tolkien Gateway, on page [[The Hobbit (film series)]] in Content &#039;&#039;Games and merchandise&#039;&#039;.That is good but these games need their own pages on Tolkien Gateway and more references to these games in Tolkien Gateway. Do you understand what I am saying? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::This is a wiki. As a wiki the content is dictated by individual users who, of their own free will, decide what content should be included. There is no commissioning editor here who decrees what should be included on a page; this means that if no one wants to do it then it doesn&#039;t get done. I never wanted to edit the list of games by Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, so I never did it. It was not a deliberate or malevolent decision; I decide what I want to edit, not what I don&#039;t.&lt;br /&gt;
:::As for the titles of the games, as you can see [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/a-journey-through-middle/gjgkjeheegjnnmheaflhdocglkiegoni?hl=en here] and [http://orcattack.thehobbit.com/ here] they do not exist in the titles you edited. They were undoubtedly released for the release of those films but they do not have those titles. However, if you have an issue with a specific article please include that on the talk page of the respective article.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do &#039;&#039;you&#039;&#039; understand everything that I have said? If you do not, I am sorry to say that your English is insufficient for this website. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:26, 9 January 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::OK. I understand about the titles of these games.But these games are considered to be The Hobbit film Trilogy tie-in video games. Furthemore, these games set in the world of Middle-earth and playable characters are characters from the books of Tokien about Middle-earth.On Tolkien Gateway exist pages about games that are based on The Lord of the Rings film trilogy, such us [[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (video game)]] and [[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (video game)]].The same thing could be done for The Hobbit film Trilogy tie-in video games.That is why I think these pages about these games have to be created on Tolkien Gateway.Don&#039;t you think? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::I have just explained to you that there is no conscious decision not to create those articles. If you want to create those articles, create those articles. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:26, 9 January 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::But I don&#039;t have the ability to create articles or upload images on Tolkien Gateway generally.In fact I don&#039;t even have the ability to create a whatever page on Tolkien Gateway, but you do have this ability.That is why I am asking it from you. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::By the way,yes I am Greek.I am from  Athens.{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::You need to register in order to create articles. You did not ask me to create pages, you asked me whether those pages should exist; as I said before, I have little interest in those articles so I won&#039;t be creating those articles.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Also, please put &amp;quot;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;--~~~~&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;quot; at the end of your posts, and not &amp;quot;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;{{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;quot;. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:30, 10 January 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Question ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How many edits do i need to make to become autoconfirmed?--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 17:24, 27 February 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:[[User talk:Morgan#A question]]. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:04, 27 February 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Anonymous user ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hello Mith, [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/User_talk:89.11.206.45 it was me], just without login. Sorry! [[User:Sirielle|Sirielle]] 19:02, 1 March 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Don&#039;t worry about it! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:47, 6 March 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== English variations ==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve noticed that you&#039;ve been editing my contributions to make them align with British English, including in short articles like [[Orocarni]] where there was no established English variation before my contributions. I&#039;m used to editing Wikipedia and following its WP:ENGVAR guideline. Does Tolkien Gateway have a custom of writing all of its content in British English? (I have not seen any policy page here that addresses this issue.) If so, I don&#039;t mind writing my content in British English so you don&#039;t have to clean up my work (to the best of my ability, anyway--I speak American English and am not aware of all the differences between the two variations). I would also suggest Tolkien Gateway create a policy page to codify this custom explicitly, and perhaps inform new editors of this rule more politely than issuing them commands in edit summaries. [[User:Protospace|Protospace]] 20:16, 14 April 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:We are fairly light on written-down policies, and that&#039;s kind of been our preference for years; we tend to work by convention (and we used to have a series of community meetings to decide issues), and as we are a small band of editors we&#039;ve never really had to write much down. I appreciate that this is a little opaque and I have had an ambition for some years to write down all of the things.&lt;br /&gt;
:On TG we do indeed have a custom of British English. Currently, we have a mish-mash of British and American English so the editors agreed a couple of years ago that British English would be preferred as that was the language of Tolkien (which, in fact, does follow the ENGVAR guidance on national ties: we just apply it to the whole wiki). We aren&#039;t militant about weeding out the American spellings, but we kind of correct them as we go along.&lt;br /&gt;
:On [[Dark Land]], what irritated me was your removal of my hyphen when I had clearly added it in deliberately. Apologies for being short. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 07:08, 15 April 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Thanks for clarifying. I hadn&#039;t thoroughly looked at the edit history of Dark Land before I removed the hyphen, and I ignorantly assumed it was a typo. I will endeavor to contribute in British English from here on out (and I agree that it makes sense as a wiki-wide rule, even under ENGVAR. Since it&#039;s an establish custom, I took the liberty of adding a brief note about the preference for British English in the Manual of Style (see [[Tolkien_Gateway:Manual_of_Style#Language]]), assuming it a non-controversial addition; but I don&#039;t want to step on any toes, and feel free to revert or change as necessary. [[User:Protospace|Protospace]] 05:34, 18 April 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::That&#039;s absolutely fine - thank you. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:24, 24 April 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Grinnah ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In response to your revent of my edit on grinnah&#039;s page, i think the info was something that the creators of the movies made as backstory for the character, but i guess i need a better reference for that--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 16:29, 17 April 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:And another thing: i tagged the warg matriarch page as unfinished, since it still needs sources, and an image. {{unsigned|LordAndSaviourSauron}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yes - solid references are a requirement. I would suggest as a potential source the &#039;&#039;Chronicles&#039;&#039; books from the films. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:26, 24 April 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Tense to use? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[Tolkien_Gateway:Manual_of_Style#Tense]], it says that in-world articles should all be in the past tense. However, all of the chapter summaries for &#039;&#039;The Lord of the Rings&#039;&#039; are in present tense (Example: [[A Long-expected Party]]). Is this a specific exception, or should these summaries be in past tense? [[User:Neithan|Neithan]] 03:49, 3 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think they&#039;re an exception because they aren&#039;t in-world. They are written from the perspective of a summary of the chapters. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:25, 3 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Can only admins rename pages? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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If so, I need some help deleting one page and renaming another. &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[A Fan&#039;s Guide to New-Sindarin]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[A Fan&#039;s Guide to Neo-Sindarin.]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; both have formatting issues in their titles that resulted from my use of a tablet and not paying close enough attention to auto-correct issues. They are the same article, I was just trying to deal with mistakes made in the naming of the page. Thanks for the assistance, sorry for the mess. [[User:Corsair Caruso|Corsair Caruso]] 18:29, 17 July 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Any registered user can rename a page, you do this by clicking on &amp;quot;move&amp;quot;. In a sense, you &amp;quot;move&amp;quot; the article to its new title. Hope this helps! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:35, 21 July 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Thanks for fixing the berserker pic ==&lt;br /&gt;
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i already tried to remove the frame myself, but it always uploaded the original thing--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 20:58, 19 August 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Adding new copyright permissions ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Mith. I&#039;m a big fan of the artist Sebastian Rodriguez (here&#039;s an example of his [https://tsrodriguez.deviantart.com/art/Dark-Lore-of-LOTR-Into-the-Storm-597163223 work]). I spoke with him directly and he would love to feature his artwork here. What is the process for formal copyright permission? Thanks. --[[User:Ebakunin|ebakunin]] 23:11, 19 December 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:So, assuming you have clear and written permission from the artist, you need to make sure you save that (precautionary, in case of future challenge), as well as confirmation of the name the artist would like to be credited under and the web address they use. You then just create [[:Category:Evidence of permission granted by copyright holders|one of these pages]] and the [[:Category:Images by artist|accompanying image category]], and you&#039;re good to go. Don&#039;t forget to add copyright template to any images you upload. Thanks for checking! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 09:50, 21 December 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Should the screenshot of the artist&#039;s permission be uploaded to Tolkien Gateway? --[[User:Ebakunin|ebakunin]] 18:09, 21 December 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Nope. That&#039;s not necessary. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:38, 27 December 2017 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Mith/2016&amp;diff=420150</id>
		<title>User talk:Mith/2016</title>
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== Question ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I would like to have your permission in order to say something to you.May I have it? {{unsignedanon|85.72.212.188}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:59, 31 January 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I found the phrase ,of films for the awards in this way and that is why i edited this in this way. For example I immitated  the phrase &#039;&#039;Peter Jackson&#039;s The Return of the King&#039;&#039; and by imitating this phrase I builted the phrase &#039;&#039;Peter Jackson&#039;s The Desolation of Smaug&#039;&#039;. That is Why I put &#039;&#039;Peter Jackson&#039;s The Desolation of Smaug&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;Peter Jackson&#039;s An Unexpected Journey&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;Peter Jackson&#039;s The Battle of the Five Armies&#039;&#039;. Did you understeand what i am saying? {{unsignedanon|85.72.212.188}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Thanks for messaging me. I realised what had happened and that you were just copying existing usage on those pages, so I decided to correct the entire page in order to make them correct and consistent. Referring to films as &amp;quot;Peter Jackson&#039;s...&amp;quot; is old usage on Tolkien Gateway and should be avoided now - is it not your fault, those pages have not been corrected. Hope this helps! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 09:16, 1 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::In page [[Cate Blanchett]] I found it in that way, so I immitated by coping it.That is Why i edited it in that way.Did you understeand it? {{unsignedanon|85.72.212.188}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::I do, but you should&#039;ve checked the edit to ensure it looked correct. But, you do not need explain your edits to me. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:58, 1 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::I didnt know that there is no page about Mike Mizrahi in Wikipedia until I checked it by searching it on Wikipedia. {{unsignedanon|85.72.212.188}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::You should have checked this before adding the link, but well done on so spotting the mistake. You don&#039;t need to tell me about your edits, though, as I can see what you&#039;ve done in RecentChanges. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:09, 1 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::In case you dont know, Thrain appears only in the [[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug (extended edition)|Extended Edition]] of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug]]&#039;&#039;.He appears in flasback scene in The Battle of Azanulbizar and in Dol Guldur.All these scenes which include Thrain exist only in the Extended Edition of the second Hobbit film. {{unsignedanon|85.72.212.188}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Yes, I do know that. My issue was with the poor sentence construction which you have now fixed. I understand your enthusiasm but you really don&#039;t need to keep leaving messages for me here. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 22:24, 1 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You make a mistake.In case you dont know, Mike Mizrahi played Thrain in flasback scene in the [[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug (extended edition)|Extended Edition]] of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug]]&#039;&#039;.Specifically he portrayed him in [The Battle of Azanulbizar]. [[Thomas Robins]] played him in the theatrical version.Specifically he portrayed him in Erebor scene (befor the attack of smaug in Erebor) in &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]]&#039;&#039;. Moreover, Thrain does not appear in the entire Hobbit film trilogy and to be portrayed at the same time by the same actor.I mean other actor played him in The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, other actor played him in The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug.And he appears only in the extended edition of The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug.You should either put Antony Sher and Thomas Robins in this wikitable of the Content &#039;&#039;&#039;Cast&#039;&#039;&#039; which exists in the page The Hobbit (film series) or remove Thrain from that wikitable entirely. {{Unsignedanon|85.72.212.188}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:I haven&#039;t made a mistake. Many other characters that don&#039;t appear in the whole trilogy are on that list, include Dáin, the Goblin-king and the Old Took - Thráin should certainly be on the list and that is why I reverted your edit. A better edit would be to add the other actors who portrayed the character (with sources), not remove it altogether. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:55, 3 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:From what I&#039;ve heard, Sher also plays Thráin at the Battle of Azanulbizar, which makes it uncertain if Mizrahi actually even appears in these films in the role at all.--[[User:BalrogTrainer|BalrogTrainer]] 04:14, 5 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Page 101 of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey: Chronicles: Creatures &amp;amp; Characters]]&#039;&#039; references Mike Mizrahi as the actor, whilst he&#039;s also credited with the role at the end credits of &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]]&#039;&#039;. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:25, 5 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Can you create the talk page [[Talk:Yazneg]]; That because I want to express my opinion about Yazneg.That he probably comes from the Gundabad. {{Unsignedanon|85.72.212.188}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would encourage you to sign up in order to create talk pages. Do you have any evidence for how Yazneg comes from Gundabad? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:59, 3 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::No.I Dont.Or maybe I do. In the appearence he looks like Azog.Don&#039;t you think? {{Unsignedanon|85.72.212.188}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::My opinion doesn&#039;t matter unless there is evidence to support it. We only include verifiable information on Tolkie  Gateway. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Then don&#039;t delete opinion my opinion about Yazneg.That he probably comes from Gundabad.Agree? {{Unsignedanon|85.72.212.188}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::I do not agree. Your opinion on Yazneg - whether right or wrong - is not relevant to Tolkien Gateway. Unless you can present a source the information cannot go on the page. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:32, 3 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::I would like to explain something.May I? {{Unsignedanon|85.72.212.188}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::I removed these two characters from the wikitable about the Cast of the [[The Hobbit (film series)|hobbit film trilogy]] because there is no point.These two characters (Old Took and Lindir) do not have any role in the plot of the hobbit film trilogy.They do not interfere in the plot of the hobbit fil series generally, if you think about it very carefully.Also,Old Took appears in a single scene in the extended editionm of the  Hobbit An Unexpected Journey.And moreover, both these characters appear  only in the  Hobbit An Unexpected Journey, (although Lindir appears in the theatrical edition of the First Hobbit film).But that is not important.The important thing is that they do not have any role in the plot of the hobbit film trilogy.If you think about it ver carefully, you can see it.For this reason I would like these two characters to be removed from the wikitable. {{Unsignedanon|85.72.212.188}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::I have to say I agree with this. The &amp;quot;Hobbit&amp;quot; movie trilogy page should probably only include the most significant characters for the whole trilogy... of which Old Took and Lindir certainly are not. I would argue there&#039;s no need to include Frodo, either. --[[User:BalrogTrainer|BalrogTrainer]] 03:53, 5 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::::My mistake.About the fact that I didnt sigh it.--[[User talk:85.72.212.188|85.72.212.188]] 03:52, 5 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::I don&#039;t care about the Old Took, but I do think Lindir (why I reverted the edit) and Frodo should stay. But thanks for removing them anyway before I had a chance to reply.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Frodo is integral to the continuity of this trilogy with the previous one, played by the lead actor of that trilogy - it is his intervention that essentially starts the process of Bilbo telling the story of the trilogy. Lindir is a character from the books (this is Tolkien Gateway not Film Gateway) and his role introruces a significant event in the films in that the Company have left in secret; further, the actor obviously has a significance in terms of fandom and this also needs to be recorded (fandom is something we&#039;ve always had a view to, hence articles on amateur artists and an websites).&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::A further point on them both. They have more lines than Bifur, Bombur, Girion, Thrór and (in theatrical versions) Thráin. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 09:47, 5 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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You did well in the wikitable about the Cast of The Hobbit film trilogy in the page [[The Hobbit (film series)]].Don&#039;t change it.What do you think?Moreover, can you see the page [[Bree]]? I have done some editings there.Can you see these editings?--[[User talk:85.72.212.188|85.72.212.188]] 20:06, 6 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Good User:Mith.Good.You did well in your editings on the page [[Angmar]].&lt;br /&gt;
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I have dome some editings on the page [[Aragorn]] today also.&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t think there is  point any mention of the character [[Albert Dreary]] in the page [[Bree]], despite the fact that [[Peter Jackson]] played him in cameo form.Morover connect link about the Gandalf and Thorin exists in the previous content of the same page.--[[User talk:85.72.212.188|85.72.212.188]] 10:20, 7 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I appreciate that you are enthusiastic, but can you please not use my talk page as a means of providing a running commentary on my - or your - edits. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:25, 7 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Disagreement==&lt;br /&gt;
Why do you remove my editings on the wikitable of the Cast in page [[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies]];Because they are unimportant in the plot of the film characters; Here in the wikitable of the Cast in page  [[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug]] some actors who portray unimportant characters appear (on wikikitable).The same thing also happens on page [[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]].--[[User talk:85.72.212.188|85.72.212.188]] 21:20, 15 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Why do you keep asking about individual articles on my talk page? Please direct your questions on the talk page of that article. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:38, 15 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Images ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Are we allowed to upload pics/images on this site??? There are so many tolkien art that i would like to post in image galleries with copyright permission of course. &lt;br /&gt;
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:Yes. You will need to contact the relevant artists and ask for their permission to host their artwork on TG; if they say yes, also ask them what name they&#039;d like to be credited as and which webaddress they&#039;d like used. On TG you will need to create a page confirming they have granted permission (see [[TG:Copyrights]]) and ensure that any image uploaded includes licensing information. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:24, 28 February 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Speaking of which: if I were to make my own art for a character or location, and it fits the quality standards for the site, could I post it as well? [[User:EldritchNexus|EldritchNexus]] 16:37, 18 July 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Yes, so long as all the copyright information was correctly included. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:29, 29 August 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Agandaur edit ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m curious as to why you reverted my edits. There &#039;&#039;are&#039;&#039; a lot of similarities between him and the messenger from Mordor that visits King Dain. Even characters in the game point these similarities out. I&#039;d cite a source, but I&#039;m admittedly inexperienced with references. [[User:EldritchNexus|EldritchNexus]] 16:34, 18 July 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You&#039;d need to direct me to specific article so I could give you a proper answer, but I suspect it was speculation or lack of references. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:27, 29 August 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Upload Permissions==&lt;br /&gt;
Mith, I brought up a technical issue I&#039;m having with my account and the Gateway with Ederchil, but he redirected me to you. For convenience, I&#039;ve copied over the extent of the conversation from his talk page below:&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey, Ederchil, could you take a look at my user permissions and see why I&#039;m still not able to upload images? I&#039;ve been a contributor and user for over 3 years; I&#039;m not sure why I&#039;m still not a confirmed user. And feel free to delete this off of your talk page once resolved. Thanks! -[[User:Smog|Smog]] 14:34, 6 September 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What kind of error message are you getting? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:19, 6 September 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::None, I simply do not have the interface option to upload images. I do not believe I was ever autoconfirmed, despite the age and activity of my account. -[[User:Smog|Smog]] 16:02, 6 September 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Hmm. I can&#039;t see anyone as autoconfirmed. Maybe [[User:Mith|Mith]] knows more. He&#039;s way more technical than I am. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:01, 6 September 2016 (UTC)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for checking it out! [[User:Smog|-Smog]] 18:52, 6 September 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::You hadn&#039;t passed the editcount threshold but I believe you now have, if you could check? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:57, 11 September 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::The threshold is 10 edits, correct? I had done that by July 2014. Regardless, I now have upload permissions. Thank you. [[User:Smog|-Smog]] 14:31, 12 September 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::As implied by my previous message - where I said you had now passed the threshold - the threshold is not 10 edits. It was raised to prevent people from doing the minimum to spam us with images. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 23:15, 12 September 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Battle of Fornost and The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hello.I would like to ask you something.I have already asked the opinion of [[User:Morgan]] but i would like to hear your opinion.Could the words of  Galadriel in the White Council scene in the [[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey|First Hobbit film]]&amp;lt;&amp;lt;when Angmar fell&amp;gt;&amp;gt; be considered as an indirect mention to the Battle of Fornost and its aftermath? Do you think the edits that I did on that page ([[Battle of Fornost]])are correct or not? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:It&#039;s probably accurate but I think it needs a source. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:09, 1 January 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What do you mean?I mean do you think  the words of  Galadriel in the White Council scene in the [[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey|First Hobbit film]]&amp;lt;&amp;lt;when Angmar fell&amp;gt;&amp;gt; be considered as an indirect mention to the Battle of Fornost and its aftermath or not?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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== Hans-Ulrich Möhring ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey Mith! I saw, that you deleted the article about the German translator Hans-Ulrich Möhring (&#039;&#039;The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún&#039;&#039;) with the comment &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;Just not notable enough&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;. Möhring was now responsible for the German translation of another posthum released work. &#039;&#039;The Fall of Arthur&#039;&#039; will be published under the title &#039;&#039;König Arthurs Untergang&#039;&#039; on 21 March, 2015 in Germany, translated by Hans-Ulrich Möhring. I think, that two translations of complex lyrics by J.R.R. Tolkien are enough to legitimate the existence of an article about him. What do you think? --[[User:Sigismond|Sigismond]] 09:08, 7 January 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:For me, no (although others might take a different view). We have a painful habit on TG of creating articles about individuals which are essentially one line: &amp;quot;X is a Y who worked on Z.&amp;quot; Is there anything (verifiable) to say about Möhring as translator of &#039;&#039;Sigurd and Gudrún&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;The Fall of Arthur&#039;&#039; beyond the fact that he translated them? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 09:14, 7 January 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I see what you mean. To write something about his translation work on &#039;&#039;The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún&#039;&#039; (in my opinion) would make no sense in an English Wiki, so the only mentionable point would be the fact, that Möhring corresponded with Tom Shippey while translating. If you think, that the article is of no importance for Tolkien Gateway, then it&#039;s ok. I just wanted to know the reasons. --[[User:Sigismond|Sigismond]] 09:32, 7 January 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::If he&#039;d corresponded with Tolkien himself then that would put him in a different category, in my view. My fear is having an article that essentially doesn&#039;t really tell the reader anything. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:26, 7 January 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Page merging question ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey Mith, I went ahead and tackled merging [[Sea-elves]] into [[Teleri]].  I wasn&#039;t sure if my method of merging the pages was right: I copied the wiki-edit text to the other page and edited it some, then marked the original page for deletion.  I changed the links that lead to Sea-elves to [[Falmari]] or Teleri where needed.  I wasn&#039;t sure if this was good or if I needed to do anything else/something different. [[User:Xsys|xsys]] 19:39, 23 January 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hi xsys, and welcome to Tolkien Gateway! To merge a page we transfer the appropriate content and turn the page into a redirect (i.e. we don&#039;t mark it for deletion) - the reason for this is so people who search for &amp;quot;Sea-elves&amp;quot; will be taken to the Teleri page, for example. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:30, 23 January 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::That makes sense.  Thanks! [[User:Xsys|xsys]] 20:33, 23 January 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Images==&lt;br /&gt;
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Good evening. This is [[User talk:2.84.120.176|User2.84.120.176]]. Could you upload upload more images on the page  [[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies]];I dont have this ability, but you do have this ability. Upload and put these NEW images on the Category:Images from The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies.OK; {{unsignedanon|2.84.120.176}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thanks for getting in touch. Remembering that the DVD of &#039;&#039;The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies&#039;&#039; isn&#039;t out yet (and therefore screencaps aren&#039;t so easy to obtain), do you have any particular images in mind? Or, perhaps you could [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&amp;amp;type=signup sign up to Tolkien Gateway] and upload them yourself? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:02, 16 March 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Reminding==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hi Mith, I wonder if you could please check your email? I&#039;ve sent you a request a week ago :) [[User:Leopold Break|Leopold Break]] 10:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I have received the email but I passed it onto [[User:Hyarion]] to respond. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:46, 11 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Thanks a lot. Anyway, I hope that he could reply to us soon, since, as it seems, he does not appear frequently. So here I put this forward again, mean not in the slightest to bother you. We are eager to make contact with Alan Lee, so I would be appreciated if you could give me the email address of him. [[User:Leopold Break|Leopold Break]] 16:44, 11 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I generally don&#039;t give out other people&#039;s email addresses without their permission. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 21:22, 11 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I must apologize for my rudeness and discourtesy. [[User:Leopold Break|Leopold Break]] 23:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Quick Question ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How do you create separate pages on a page that you are creating? {{unsigned|AragornElessar}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t understand what you mean. Create a separate page on a page you are creating? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 21:15, 12 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sort of, you know on a user page how you can create the different subtitles for your pages. I am wondering how to do that. {{unsigned|AragornElessar}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The same as you would create any other page: simply type the pagename as a URL and then press &amp;quot;create an article with that title&amp;quot;. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:34, 13 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Oh, thanks {{unsigned|AragornElessar}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mithrellas==&lt;br /&gt;
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May I ask why have you deleted the infobox? [[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 09:49, 15 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You&#039;re going to need to be more specific: what infobox have I deleted? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:15, 15 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::My mistake. I have just realized you reverted the edits to the period where there was no infobox. [[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 13:43, 15 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::If you&#039;re going to insist on making three, four, five, six - and one occasion, nine! - consecutive edits, things like this will happen. Apologies for reverting the infobox as well but please can you try to learn to use the &amp;quot;Show preview&amp;quot; button and plan you edits. Nine small edits to an article are not necessary. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:59, 15 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I take it back. Your record is actually 10 edits in a row ([[Tréowine]]). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:01, 15 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I know how to use the &amp;quot;Show preview&amp;quot; very well...But like I said, it often happens that I forget to include something in an article and have to edit it again. [[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 14:44, 15 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::You forget nine times in a row? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:50, 15 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Maybe &amp;quot;forget&amp;quot; is a wrong word (although not completely). &amp;quot;Change my mind&amp;quot; would be a more appropriate word. Besides, you are editing for years and I, myself, only for a couple of days. [[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 15:12, 15 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Indeed. I think we&#039;re all aware of that! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:08, 15 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Copyright for images==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please, how can I get the copyright for an image that I want to upload, but that isn&#039;t already in the &amp;quot;Category:Evidence of permission granted by copyright holders&amp;quot; section? [[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 14:44, 15 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:You will need to contact the copyright-holder and ask for their permission. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:50, 15 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::By e-mail solely? Because I have already contacted a number of artists and they all gave permission. Technicality is my main issue in this matter. [[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 15:12, 15 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::There needs to be some evidence in case it&#039;s ever challenged. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:08, 15 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Here&#039;s one: http://www.deviantart.com/messages/notes/#1_0/1281622023 [[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 18:57, 15 May 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Obituary title==&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;Henry Bradley: 3 Dec., 1845-23 May, 1923&#039;&#039; is the official title of the obituary published in [[Bulletin of the Modern Humanities Research Association 20]] . All references  I consulted used this title.So I think the article it should remain with that name. {{unsigned|Sigurd}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:Absolutely not. Aside from the fact I don&#039;t think we need an article for an obituary written for someone on whom we have [[Henry Bradley|a very short article]] (we&#039;d end up with a longer article on the obituary than on the man himself!), naming the article &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Henry Bradley: 3 Dec., 1845-23 May, 1923&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; would be ridiculous verbose and unwieldy. If an article must be made it should be something like &amp;quot;Obituary for Henry Bradley&amp;quot;, but I would be against its creation. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:31, 1 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I dont think ridiculous since Tolkien himself give the name to the article. Someone put the same name in reference of that Bulletin 1923 here:[[http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Index:Writings_by_J.R.R._Tolkien Index:Writings_by_J.R.R._Tolkien]].And other books I read use the same name.In addition, the obituary contains a poem written by Tolkien in Old English. And also this obituary has his own topic on [[J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia: Scholarship and Critical Assessment]]([[User:Sigurd|Sigurd]] 21:24, 1 June 2015 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Did Tolkien give the title, or was that the editor? In any case, it is a title of a printed obituary, not an online webpage. Any article title we choose would also be the URL. We aren&#039;t the J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia and our usage should not - and does not - reflect what they have done. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:02, 2 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ninni-V==&lt;br /&gt;
Can you please rename the pictures of Ninni-V to Antonio Vinci. By the request of the artist. [[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 14:00, 2 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Can you please email me where the artists have granted their permission for their work to be hosted on Tolkien Gateway? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:06, 2 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I have asked the permission via note on DeviantArt. What would you like me to do? You cannot access the notes considering they are private and cannot be read unless one is logged in. So....??? [[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 14:34, 2 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::{{blockquote|Also, as a bit of housekeeping, can you forward to me either a copy of the emails from the artists &#039;&#039;&#039;or a screenprint&#039;&#039;&#039; so we have a bit of a proof - my email is {{nospam|mith|tolkiengateway.net}}. Cheers --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Yes, I will. But just one reminder: all the images by &#039;&#039;&#039;VunastiMamut&#039;&#039;&#039; are mine. [[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 14:56, 1 June 2015 (UTC)|[[User talk:Woolly Mammoth]]}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I have send you an email with a screen print for the said artist. [[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 15:23, 2 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Thanks. What about the others? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:24, 2 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::I will. [[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 15:26, 2 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Mith, we have a problem. There is this random guy going by the name of Webbane who is destroying stuff right now! [[User:Bane|Bane]] &lt;br /&gt;
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:He has deleted off my page, yours, Woolly&#039;s, the Forum and a load of paragraphs from articles. Can we remove his account or something??? {{unsigned|Arya}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::It&#039;s all been dealt with now. Isn&#039;t it interesting how a User:Bane and a User:Webbane pop up on the same night! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 07:19, 9 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Why are you deleting MY images??==&lt;br /&gt;
Those images that you have deleted are my artwork! Is this vandalism or what???? [[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 14:18, 18 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I thought you said that they were all by other people - apologies. Although your picture of Uldor is [http://qnwn.net/home/index.php?option=com_content&amp;amp;view=article&amp;amp;id=116&amp;amp;Itemid=110&amp;amp;page=2 remarkably similar to one by James Adams] (also known as Sporeboy)? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:22, 18 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Maybe because I borrowed the pictures from some of (with permission, which I have sent you by email) those guys, aye? Some of the pictures are by other people, AND some of them are mine (namely Elmo, Bór, Uldor, Formenos!). You are behaving like an asshole and you have no right (beside being an administrator), absolutely no right to delete those images!&lt;br /&gt;
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:::So, your image of Uldor. Did you &amp;quot;borrow&amp;quot; the one from Sporeboy? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:36, 18 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I will speak as I want to! And, considering your image of Uldor I granted the permission to use my artwork. [[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 14:41, 18 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::You will be civil on this wiki or you will leave. Sporeboy gave you permission to amend his image? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:45, 18 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hello! I know I posted this before on the Template:Gaurwaith talk page, but seriously, why isn&#039;t [[Andvír]] there? [[User:Maedhros95|Maedhros95]] 08:37, 22 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Fun fact: did you know there&#039;s only ever been [[Forums:Ilúvatar infobox|one other user in Tolkien Gateway&#039;s 10-year history to use the phrase &amp;quot;but seriously&amp;quot;]]? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:53, 22 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::You did not answer my question. [[User:Maedhros95|Maedhros95]] 09:13, 22 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Because I haven&#039;t finished the template yet (which is why it hasn&#039;t been added to any article). Perhaps you should wait and see first before discussing the matter on two talk pages. Did you know about my fun fact? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 09:21, 22 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::&amp;quot;But seriously&amp;quot;? I reckon you must have spent years searching through every word and sentence on this page to come to that conclusion. And besides, what does that have to do with me? [[User:Maedhros95|Maedhros95]] 09:33, 22 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Nope - took me about 10 seconds. OK. I&#039;ll call it. In my view you are a sockpuppet for Woolly Mammoth. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 09:42, 22 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::First of all: how did you even come to the conclusion that I&#039;m an alter ego of some other user? I have just signed up and I am already being accused of being a &amp;quot;sockpuppet&amp;quot; for some guy that I have never heard of until now. [[User:Maedhros95|Maedhros95]] 10:01, 22 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::There are quite a number of signs; we&#039;ll be checking IPs later today. If you aren&#039;t WM I do sincerely apologise as this probably makes me look like a bit of a nutter; but if you are WM I have to admit that I am actually a bit impressed by your commitment to Tolkien Gateway that you have created a sockpuppet in order to carry on doing good work. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:21, 22 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Do we have a license to use [[Tolkien Ensemble]]&#039;s songs on this site? [[User:Maedhros95|Maedhros95]] 08:07, 23 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 09:16, 23 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Laconic answer...Can we get one? There are images on this site with licenses ranging from artists of Deviantart, to artists of likes of [[John Howe]], [[Alan Lee]] and [[Ted Nasmith]]. Why not include music in this site? [[User:Maedhros95|Maedhros95]] 09:23, 23 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I doubt it. It&#039;s not something I personally see as desirable, either. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 09:49, 23 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Have you heard the &amp;quot;Burial Song of Théoden&amp;quot; by Tolkien Ensemble? I think the visitors of this site should be entitled to hear this masterpiece (in my opinion). In any case...I will contact the Tolkien Ensemble myself. [[User:Maedhros95|Maedhros95]] 09:56, 23 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::And yes...one more thing...What about this WM thing you were talking about? [[User:Maedhros95|Maedhros95]] 09:57, 23 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::You would have to discuss this with other users (and admins) of this site first before initiating contact with them and seeking to put their songs this website. I personally don&#039;t think it would be appropriate for TG to host songs that people should be paying for. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:03, 23 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::You did not answer my question! What about this WM thing I am accused!? I find myself insulted for, coinsidentally , wanting to expand this wiki as much as it is possible. And for your information, I am an editor on Wikipedia. And I am not talking about paying anything. [[User:Maedhros95|Maedhros95]] 10:12, 23 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::No, but by having their songs on our website we are preventing them from earning money from them. I&#039;m not convinced that that is right. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:14, 23 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Pagination==&lt;br /&gt;
I have hi-res scans of &#039;&#039;[[The History of Middle-earth]]&#039;&#039; on my computer. And I have seen before that pagination can be a sort of a mess, when multiple versions of the same book collide together. [[User:Maedhros95|Maedhros95]] 13:38, 23 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The pagination for &#039;&#039;The History of Middle-earth&#039;&#039; series is pretty much consistent (which is why we reference pages for those when we don&#039;t for &#039;&#039;The Lord of the Rings&#039;&#039;). How long did it take you to scan them? What is the edition of your hardcopy? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:40, 23 June 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey, I noticed while skipping through pages that the picture for the page The Road Goes Ever On and On: The Maps of Tolkien&#039;s Middle Earth has nothing to do with the theme of the page as far as I can see. Yes, it&#039;s a picture of a book of maps, but it&#039;s not a picture of the book of maps we are talking about. I am still an utter newbie with this programing, and have no idea how to change the picture to a more accurate one. [[User:Arya|Arya]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Done. [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Road_Goes_Ever_On_and_On:_The_Map_of_Tolkien%27s_Middle-earth&amp;amp;curid=35192&amp;amp;diff=272100&amp;amp;oldid=214177 Look at the change I&#039;ve made] to see how the coding works. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:52, 5 July 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Good that. Will be changing quite a few pics myself, correct me if you don&#039;t think that they are right. The titles match!!! :) [[User:Arya|Arya]]&lt;br /&gt;
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How should we address the confusion surrounding the number and fates of the different incarnations of the Elendilmir?  See my note on the talk page of the relevant entry. [[User:WadCheber|WadCheber]] 06:13, 9 July 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:By discussing it on that article&#039;s talk page, and &#039;&#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039;&#039; on my talk page. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 07:21, 9 July 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Sorry if I bothered you.  This was literally the first interaction I&#039;ve had with anyone on this site.  I wasn&#039;t aware that I was doing something wrong.  I asked you because the post on my talk page told me to bring any questions to you.  I won&#039;t make the same mistake again. [[User:WadCheber|WadCheber]] 04:28, 10 July 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::A user&#039;s talk page is for them specifically to respond (i.e. an issue directly for that user); an article&#039;s talk page is for discussion about that article (i.e. for anyone in the community). The problem with having a conversation elsewhere is that the discussion/decisions are divorced from the article - in future months/years other users won&#039;t think to look at my talk page to find out why a decision was made. It&#039;s simply good housekeeping to keep everything together with the article.&lt;br /&gt;
:::The welcome message on your talk page wasn&#039;t actually written by me (and I&#039;ve been meaning to change it for a while), but there&#039;s a complicated technical reason why [[User:Mithbot|my bot]] has to leave the message. But when it comes to &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the Council forums or ask me on my talk page.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; the implication - which probably should be clearer - is that &amp;quot;any questions&amp;quot; are about the site/editing/policy/style as opposed to the future of individual articles.&lt;br /&gt;
:::I have obviously seen your contributions on both [[User talk:WadCheber#Welcome!|your own]] and [[User talk:Hyarion#Greeting new users|Hyarion&#039;s]] talk pages - I shall respond to it all here to prevent fragmentation of the conversation. I think &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;After looking through the other entries in his talk page, I got the impression that this is pretty much par for the course with him.&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; is unfair - there is only one user, WoollyMammoth, I was very firm with; he had made a lot of edits and was a particularly confrontational user who was [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&amp;amp;type=block subsequently banned by another admin for his behaviour]. That does not indicate someone who &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;is determined to be laconic and/or borderline hostile&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; or who intends to &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;chase people away&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Having said all the above, my previous message was obviously a curt one, for which I apologise; I shouldn&#039;t have been so short with you and should have explained the situation more thoughtfully. On this occasion I did bite the newbie - thank you for calling me out on it. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:48, 10 July 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::  No problem.  We all make little mistakes.  Thank you for explaining the issue more clearly.  WoollyMammoth sowed the wind, so he reaped the whirlwind.  No fault on your part there.  I was talking about other, less obvious instances in your interactions above, but there is nothing so far beyond the pale as to call your personal qualification as an admin into question.  I was probably a bit overly defensive as well.  Thanks again for the advice and explanation. [[User:WadCheber|WadCheber]] 22:21, 10 July 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::In fact, I should probably apologize to you as well.  I think I overreacted.  I was having a bad day myself, and I took it out on you, with very little reason.  [[User:WadCheber|WadCheber]] 00:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Great to have you aboard WadCheber! I&#039;m glad we got everything cleared up. If you have any other questions or suggestions don&#039;t hesitate to let us know, we really appreciate the feedback. Oh, and if it makes you guys feel any better; I&#039;m having a great week :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 20:51, 11 July 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;ve noticed that I can&#039;t put down some pics on articles. Once I type the info down that should put down an article and I tap the preview button, all i get is 250 pixels in red text. What does this mean? Is it that the picture doesn&#039;t fit or am I typing out the info wrong? P.S. No article was hurt in the experimentations of me. [[User:Arya|Arya]] 18:27, 18 July 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Without seeing the code you are using it is difficult for me to know, but I would guess that you are inputting the file name incorrectly. Files in infoboxes takes the form like this: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:FILENAME|250px]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. Thumbnails in the body of an article tend to look like this: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[File:FILENAME|thumb|right|CAPTION]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. Take a look at [[Help:Images]]. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:30, 18 July 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Thanks Mith. I don&#039;t know exactly what I was doing wrong, and because I didn&#039;t take a screen-shot, it shall always remain a mystery (though not one I shall be very worried about now I have stopped making the mistake). Thanks as always, [[User:Arya|Arya]] 07:45, 24 July 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hello Mith. I have been getting use to making family tree&#039;s on TG but I have come across a problem. When I want to expand a family tree in the x direction, I can&#039;t figure out the code to do it. I looked at the Baggins family tree for an example of x scrolling and I found right before you write familytree/start, there is a line of code telling the tree to overflow to the right if it can&#039;t fit within the boundary. When I copy and paste that line into my family tree exactly like it is in the Baggins tree, it doesn&#039;t overflow to the right. All I am wondering is what I am missing or if I&#039;m doing something incorrectly. This would be a massive help. {{unsigned|Ríë}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:Could you paste here the code you are using so I can take a look at it? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 07:57, 19 July 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::By the way you can use &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; to include coding you don&#039;t want to actually process. And to sign your posts just type &amp;quot;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;~~~~&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;quot; at the end. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:55, 19 July 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Thanks so much. I forgot to add in &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. &amp;quot;[[User:Ríë|Ríë]] 14:59, 19 July 2015 (UTC)&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for fixing my errors, sorry for messing up in the capitalization of &#039;adaptations.&#039; I have some questions. Fitst, could you help me with citing information about Earnur in the Mordirith article if that is necessary? Also I noticed you put names from the game in quotes, could you explain that? Maybe I missed something in the style guide. Finally, I&#039;m uncertain about when to use in-universe vs. out-of-universe voice and past tense vs. present tense in the Portrayal in Adaptations sections. [[User:Sullathron|Sullathron]] 19:32, 26 August 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:With references you will need to cite third-party websites (such as IGN) using the [[Template:Webcite|webcite template]]. I put in quotemarks all the invented characters and locations so it was more obvious that they weren&#039;t borrowed characters from Tolkien&#039;s universe; but you are right this isn&#039;t in the Style Guide. Portrayal in adaptations sections (the issue was more your spelling &amp;quot;adapations&amp;quot;) should be descriptive and so have an &amp;quot;out-of-universe&amp;quot; voice in my view; preferably the past tense. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 23:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Oh, I never noticed the spelling mistake. Thanks for catching that. For the [[Mordirith]] article I meant to ask for help citing the bit from the books about Eärnur, but I found it. For my LOTRO sources, I use the LOTRO wiki when I can, otherwise I look for it in the game myself, and when I can I check both. Is there a way I can cite the game directly, similarly to how the [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages] cite the Elder Scrolls games? I also noticed you removed the category I put into [[Arnach]], if it is a location in LOTRO is it not appropriate to categorize it if it&#039;s also categorized as a word? I don&#039;t think the city in the game is significant enough for its own article. I wish there was a place on the wiki to write about the events and people from the game from an in-universe perspective, though. [[User:Sullathron|Sullathron]] 03:10, 27 August 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::PS: On an unrelated note, what&#039;s the deal with the guy who keeps making sockpuppets to make lots of very minor edits? Seems very odd to me. [[User:Sullathron|Sullathron]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I&#039;m not entirely sure you can cite the books for a character that is massively changes for the game. You can&#039;t cite another wiki; we don&#039;t have a reference template for LOTRO because I don&#039;t know enough about the game in order to be able to reference it - is there a a way I can understand the structure of quests and epic books and things like that? The Lord of the Rings Online locations category is for locations invented for the game. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 09:42, 27 August 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Ah, I only cited the information that actually came from the books - that is that [[Eärnur]] was challenged twice by the [[Witch-king]], the second time he went to [[Minas Morgul]] and was never heard from again. Don&#039;t worry, I got that part figured out now. [[Arnach]] is a location invented for the game, it is the capital city of [[Lossarnach]]. Epic books are just a way of categorizing the Epic Series, the quests that tell the main storyline of the game. Most of the quests in the game are categorized under the region they are found in. In the game, I get most of the information from the dialogue windows NPCs have when talking to them for quests, the deed log, and the game map. I can take some screenshots later if that would help you get a better idea of it. [[User:Sullathron|Sullathron]] 12:54, 27 August 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Also, I&#039;ll try to follow your advice about using past tense, but it&#039;s tricky when describing ongoing parts of the game. My best idea is to use present tense for persistent parts of the game and past tense when describing lore and events from the game, if that makes sense. For example &amp;quot;Dol Amroth &#039;&#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039;&#039; a city in Western Gondor. It &#039;&#039;&#039;was&#039;&#039;&#039; blockaded by corsairs.&amp;quot; How does that sound? [[User:Sullathron|Sullathron]] 13:59, 27 August 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::I&#039;d prefer the past tense. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:46, 27 August 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Sorry, I&#039;m fixing it. There&#039;s also the other stuff I was talking about up there, when you&#039;re not busy. Thanks. {{User:Sullathron/sig}} 22:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey Mith I don&#039;t mean to be a bother but why did you undo my edit about the North Downs&#039; portrayal in LOTRO? I put some work into that. If it&#039;s about sources, I&#039;m sorry if I&#039;m getting ahead of myself. I started a forum post asking for help with that. {{User:Sullathron/sig}} 13:14, 31 August 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It was too much for one adaptation; we aren&#039;t a LOTRO wiki, we&#039;re a Tolkien wiki - I thought the length of the section was disproportionate. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:30, 31 August 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::There is the Lotro-wiki, but that is mostly written in a gamer perspective (&amp;quot;Do this in that quest, do that in this instance&amp;quot;) and the lore bits are scattered around in no organized way. Besides, I think spoilers would be more of an issue there. Someone might want to look up the fight against Mordirith but not see the spoilers about his other identities.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Then there is lotr.wikia.com, but... I don&#039;t know. Something I don&#039;t like about it as much, it seems less professionally done. Too based on the movies, and to use the North Downs as an example I&#039;m pretty sure someone put their own fanon on that page. ...I suppose that&#039;s all the more reason to work there, it&#039;s just discouraging when the other wikis are such a mess. {{User:Sullathron/sig}} 13:55, 31 August 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Creating a Page ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How do I create a Page? I am trying to create one for myself, but I do not understand how to do it. Please help. {{unsigned|Lúthien Lossëhelin}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:Search for the article you want to create, if it doesn&#039;t already exist you&#039;ll get a message &#039;Create the page &amp;quot;XXX&amp;quot; on this wiki!&#039; - just click on &amp;quot;XXX&amp;quot; to create it. If you want to create your userpage (i.e. [[User:Lúthien Lossëhelin]]), click on Lúthien Lossëhelin on the menu on the left-hand side under &amp;quot;Personal Tools&amp;quot;. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:11, 2 September 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Valandil ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow, that&#039;s a nice homecoming. I come home from San Fran and the first thing I have to do is clean up a ton of bile from Mammoth.&lt;br /&gt;
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I probably should&#039;ve mentioned being AFK for a week. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:37, 13 September 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I&#039;ve been at [[Oxonmoot 2015]]! But, to be fair, I have done an awful lot of clearing his stuff up myself over the last few months! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:10, 13 September 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Woolly Mammoth ==&lt;br /&gt;
To [[User:Ederchil]] and [[User:Mith]] - wouldn&#039;t it be much easier for you to unblock me than to constantly tidy up my &amp;quot;mess&amp;quot; - I have much to contribute to this wiki - and, as I said before, I SINCERELY apologize for any insult made to any of you, especially to [[User:Mith]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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From a more practical perspective, it would be good for you to unblock me - of course, if you do not want to clear up the mess that will be gathering in the following years - I am not a madman - I simply feel insulted by your behavior - I would like to edit this wiki - as I no doubt showed before - and it would be to your well-being (and to the well-being of this site) if I would continue editing this Wiki without any further hindrance. &lt;br /&gt;
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As for the images that I uploaded - I have proof that the permission was granted - although I have not been able to present the evidence to you - but if you unblock me I will - the visual representation of [[Tolkien]]&#039;s works is to me, at least, an important aspect of his work. That is the reason I am hellbent on including the images, and I spend a lot of time on DevinatArt searching for Tolkien related art, and I am in good relation to other members of that community. This is all for me at the time - and I hope you will reconsider the ban.&lt;br /&gt;
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Respectfully - Woolly Mammoth! [[User:Laurentus|Laurentus]] 20:49, 14 September 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No, it wouldn&#039;t be easier. Even with your sockpuppets you are continuing to display the behaviour for which you were banned, further proving why you were banned in the first place. Nor am I going to unblock you under threat of creating further mess over the following years. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:05, 15 September 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Another Thing==&lt;br /&gt;
I will NOT post any other images, nor will I edit any page without your consent - the fact that I made so many sock-puppets was only because I could not contact [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] and reconsider my ban - and I am sorry if you had to clear up my mess (although it was not all mess) - in any case - I WANT TO MAKE THIS SITE AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE - I cannot alter my past relations with the administrators on this site, but I DO hope I can smooth things with you. [[User:Laurentus|Laurentus]] 21:01, 14 September 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also...although [[User:Laurentus|Laurentus]] is, ironically, another sock-puppet, I could not have thought of a better way to represent my thoughts to you - so I will, without any guile, sign my post with - [[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:You already have edited hundreds of pages without our consent. Prove you words and don&#039;t make any edits. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:05, 15 September 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Have my edits been so horrible as to have you chiding me? Nonetheless, concerning the images I have been uploading - I have proof:&lt;br /&gt;
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::[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Evidence_of_Copyright.png|Evidence of Copyright.]&lt;br /&gt;
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::All those wonderful art is being unjustly jettisoned - simply because I was not courteous to you. If you would let me upload those images I will leave this site forever - and I mean it. [[User:Henry|Henry]] 05:25, 16 September 2015 (UTC) (Woolly Mammoth)&lt;br /&gt;
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::P.S. Why have you deleted my articles on Éadweard and Alfred the Great, etc. They have DO have a place in the in-universe world of Middle-earth - therefore, they are valid, as is Aelfwine. Although they are historical figures, they are in contact and converse with the main characters in the Aelfwine saga. [[User:Henry|Henry]] 08:02, 16 September 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I&#039;m not chiding you: you were banned and refused to abide by the ban. You consistently flout policy whilst ignoring my emails. Your behaviour is not acceptable. &lt;br /&gt;
:::I am not negotiating with you. I will continue to remove you amendments to the wiki, including artwork without permission. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:32, 16 September 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::First off, I have not been checking my mail for an eternity. Second: the articles I have recently created should not have been deleted - they are an integral part of Tolkien&#039;s works. By remove my contributions on such matters (many of which, admittedly, are wrong) you are doing this out of pure spite.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Third: like I said, I have evidence of copyright for many of the pictures that I uploaded - and the evidence is here: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Evidence_of_Copyright_2.png|Permissions that have been granted to me via DeviantArt]. So, the only thing I ask of you is to NOT ban my sock-puppet for a while, and let me upload the works of those artists - and I will be gone forever. [[User:Turumarth|Turumarth]] 20:03, 16 September 2015 (UTC) (Woolly Mammoth)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::[[Special:Log/Delete|I haven&#039;t deleted any articles.]] And I am not negotiating with you. I have made my position clear and I have nothing further to say to you until your one-year ban has expired. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 21:09, 16 September 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::From now on I will revert all your edits. You have no place on this wiki. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 23:00, 29 September 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Block log ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Nice of you to show your face at last - if my memory serves right, I was supposed to be &amp;quot;civil&amp;quot; on this wiki. How about your, my dear Shaun - I am not entirely sure if &amp;quot;fuck off&amp;quot; could be considered civil. And as for deleting all my contributions which are, for the most part, better than over 5000 members on this wiki, you, and I mean you and all of the rest contributors to this site are poorer than it should have been. And I have a feeling that you are doing this out of pure spite - pity.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now...I can, of course, download the HTML page to my computer before you ruin all that I have put effort into it.&lt;br /&gt;
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And now...for the last goodbye - FUCK OFF! (although I have some more malicious thoughts springing in my mind)&lt;br /&gt;
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And don&#039;t worry, I am no lunatic nor a madman - I sometimes get into a fits of black wrath, and I loath mockery or shame, for which those who have let their tongues go free (or too free) into perilous realms shall curse the day when their tongues overruled their minds.&lt;br /&gt;
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So here we part, and like I said before, I have only two words worthy of you - FUCK OFF! [[Special:Contributions/193.109.199.22|193.109.199.22]] 00:41, 30 September 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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P.S. I&#039;m not really sure you&#039;ll read the entire post - hard truths cut both way.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not for one second do I believe this is a &amp;quot;last goodbye&amp;quot;. You&#039;ll be back within a week adding references without page numbers all over again. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:06, 30 September 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::How very right I was. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:57, 5 October 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Infobox number removals. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Why&#039;d you remove them, out of curiosity? As far back as I can remember those numbers were there. Thought they were sourced. My apologies if not.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I&#039;m assuming you mean troop numbers in battle articles? Whether text in an article is long-standing isn&#039;t a deciding factor (if anything, the older the text the more inaccurate the article is likely to be), but as you rightly point out, there simply wasn&#039;t a source with those exact figures. Furthermore they included suppositions and contradictions; as an example the [[Siege of Gondor]] said &amp;quot;Unknown number engaged, approx. 75,000+ total (overall).&amp;quot;, which is both a contradiction (either the troop numbers are unknown or not) and a supposition (the approximate figure which wasn&#039;t based on a source).&lt;br /&gt;
:All the battle/war articles are in a dreadful state containing fanon (which we have mostly weeded out over the year), lacking sources, and generally being rather poor in their tone. Don&#039;t take what exists currently as a template to follow. Hope this helps! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 21:18, 9 November 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Could the front page features change some? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The front page is great, but it hasn&#039;t changed in ten months.  I&#039;ve only been here for a few months, but the impression I get from the Recent Changes page is that all of your time is taken up cleaning up vandalism.  It makes me sad to see your efforts confounded by this.  I think the unchanging nature of the &amp;quot;Featured Article&amp;quot; and other front page items reflects this.  I wonder what can be done.&lt;br /&gt;
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:The homepage hasn&#039;t been changed because the Thranduil article hasn&#039;t been sufficiently updated. I don&#039;t mind clearing up vandalism - and it really doesn&#039;t take that - but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s right to say that it takes up all my time (nor is it connected with the homepage). What we need is editors who will edit articles to make them worthy of being featured. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:39, 11 November 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Thanks for explaining.  I&#039;m glad the vandals don&#039;t take up all your time.  I hope to know enough to help do real edits on articles at some point; for now I&#039;m re-reading LOTR and heading into The Silmarillion.  In any case, thanks; you&#039;ve provided a really useful site. -- [[User:TimothyChenAllen|Timothy Chen Allen]] 14:36, 13 November 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Peter Jackson cameo appearence in [[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies]] ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Peter Jackson appears uncredited in &#039;&#039;[[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies]]&#039;&#039;.He makes a cameo appearence at the end of the third Hobbit film in the painting of Bungo Baggins in case you dont know it.This painting can be seen in the final scene at the Bag End when Bilbo (Martin Freeman) returns home.You can check it on IMDB page about Peter Jackson and in Wikipedia page about Peter Jackson. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.196}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:Ederchil has already responded, but just to be clear: I reverted the edit because it is not a cameo appearance, it is simply a picture modelled on Jackson. Please do not add this again. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:32, 5 December 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== [[Talk:The Hobbit (film series)]]/Mistakes  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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look what I have written in [[Talk:The Hobbit (film series)]] about some mistakes. {{unsignedanon|85.72.247.184}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:Why? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:36, 16 December 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Look at the Content &#039;&#039;Mistakes&#039;&#039; of the page [[Talk:The Hobbit (film series)]] and you will see what i am talking about. {{unsignedanon|85.72.247.184}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Won&#039;t you say something about it;Won&#039;t you say your opinion; {{unsignedanon|85.72.247.184}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::No. I do not need to get involved. You do not need to leave messages on loads of people&#039;s talk pages asking for them to take part, when you have already left a message on the talk page. Please don&#039;t message me again. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:25, 17 December 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::You dont need to be involved.The problem was solved.Thank you for your offering. {{unsignedanon|85.72.247.184}}&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::I didn&#039;t. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 09:56, 18 December 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Posters ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I now saw that in the &#039;&#039;&#039;Category:Images of The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies posters&#039;&#039;&#039; there is only one poster about the third Hobbit film.Why doesn&#039;t someone upload at least two more posters of [[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies]] on Tolkien Gateway;You can find many posters about the third Hobbit film on the Internet.I don&#039;t have ability to upload posters on Tolkien Gateway, but you have this ability. {{unsignedanon|85.72.247.184}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:You need to sign up to be able to upload images - I would encourage you to do so! Please also be aware that an individual&#039;s talk page is used to converse with them about &#039;&#039;their&#039;&#039; edits, not for discussion of any random article or issue. You should discuss this on the talk page of that category. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 09:59, 18 December 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think only administrators of [[Tolkien Gateway]] such us you can upload images on Tolkien Gateway. {{unsignedanon|85.72.247.184}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I have just told you that is &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; the case. If you look at [[Special:Log/Upload]], you&#039;ll see that several non-administrators including [[User:Elf-esteem]], [[User:Drakon]], [[User:BalrogTrainer]] and [[User:Sage]] have all recently uploaded images. Unregistered users cannot upload images - if you want to upload the posters you will need to create an account in order to do so. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:11, 19 December 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Yesterday I saw that the &#039;&#039;Category:Images of The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug posters&#039;&#039; has 9 files, while  the &#039;&#039;Category:Images of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey posters&#039;&#039;has 21 files.However the&#039;&#039;&#039;Category:Images of The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies posters&#039;&#039;&#039; has only one file. For this reason the&#039;&#039;&#039;Category:Images of The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies posters&#039;&#039;&#039; shouldn&#039;t have only one file. I don&#039;t have ability to upload posters on Tolkien Gateway,(I think only administrators of [[Tolkien Gateway]] such us you and [[User:KingAragorn]] can upload images on Tolkien Gateway), but you have this ability.You can find many posters about the third Hobbit film on the Internet.Can you do this; At least for one time. {{unsignedanon|85.72.247.184}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::You are now pestering me and other admins, you&#039;ve just copied-and-pasted the same message you sent KingAragorn yesterday yet you specifically ignored the advice I gave you. As a result, I have banned you for three days. If you post about this on my talk page again I will ban you for three months. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:41, 19 December 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::I have found two images-posters for [[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies]].Would you like to see these photos; You can find these at my talk page: [[User talk:85.72.247.184]].What do you think;Are the posters good or bad;If the photos are good can you upload these photos; At least for one time. {{unsignedanon|85.72.247.184}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Banned for three months, as per my previous message. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:56, 24 December 2015 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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