== Featured Articles ==

Any registered user can nominate an article for '''featured''' status. It should be well-written, complete, illustrated, and referenced and meet these specific criteria:

:::#The text is ''entirely'' written by TG editors with correct English spelling, grammar and punctuation;
:::#There are no outstanding [[:Category:Maintenance templates|maintenance templates]] on the article;
:::#The article is well-referenced throughout, leaving the reader under no illusions as to where to source information themselves;
:::#The article conforms to TG's [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Standards]], as well as those laid out in the relevant [[Tolkien Gateway:Projects|Project]];
:::#The text is sprinkled with ''relevant'' [[Help:Images|images]] (including captions) of appropriate size - if necessary, including a gallery;
:::#Articles are at least 5,000 bytes long;
:::#Where applicable, contains "History", "Portrayal in Adaptations", "In Other Versions of the Legendarium", "See Also", "Genealogy", "Etymology", "Other Names and Titles" and "Bibliography" sections;
:::#Where applicable, ''full use'' has been made of relevant templates, e.g.: [[:Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates|disambiguation]], [[Template:Seealso|see also]], [[Template:Main|main]], [[Template:Navigation|navigation]], [[Template:Pronounce|pronounce]], [[Template:Familytree|familytree]], [[Template:Seq|sequence]];
:::#Where applicable, contains interwiki links;
:::#Preferably no red-links, but no more than half-a-dozen.

After nomination, an article should receive five votes with with no objections within a month or so; each user being able to cast one vote. Each entry should begin with '''Agree''', '''Disagree''' or '''Undecided''' and be signed by the user, and, if they choose, an explanation of their vote.

==[[Gandalf]]==
It's a pretty impressive article, and well deserved for my favourite character and such an interesting character.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 07:14, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

* '''Agree'''. If I'm not mistaking, Gandalf has already been FA once. That doesn't mean it can't be again, but it's near the end of the queue. Oh, '''agree''', btw. but the sourcing needs to be a bit better. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 08:01, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

* '''Agree'''. This article is extensive, appears complete, well-referenced, and lavishly illustrated. It is a prime example of what an FA should be.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 13:31, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

*'''Agree'''. Yes, quite well done. Excellent, in fact.--Ingwe

* '''Agree'''. Nice long article, good information, plus good introduction into Tolkien. {{unsigned|ZehnWaters}}

*'''Agree''' A Middle Earth without Gandalf, is not a true Middle Eearth at all.--{{User:Breragor/sig}}

*'''Agree'''. After reading it, I have to admit it is the best article we have.--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 10:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

*'''Agree'''. Exellent Article! Besides, Gandalf is the heart of Tolkien's work. His article deserves to be featured. [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 12:30, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

*'''Agree'''. The first thing new users see is the main page, and generally people are most familiar with Gandalf. --Yurpee

*'''Agree'''. A central character in the LoTR trilogy. Everyone knows who he is and he deserves a good moment in the spotlight. -- Naruvir

*'''Disagree''' - I think it's a big cluttered in its structure and severely lacks sources required to make it worthy of the title. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:23, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

*'''Agree'''. It definitely deserves to be featured, but I think later, after the revisions are done because of the Hobbit movies coming. {{Unsigned|Lilybell}}

==[[Gondor]]==
[[Gondor]] would be a good choice. It's extensive, covers many bases, and has the requisite references. It should be next in line to be voted on for FA status.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 10:41, 28 July 2008 (EDT) 

:'''Undecided''' - although well-written, I think it needs to be better referenced as we should only show off the ''very best'' articles that TG has to offer. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

==[[Dwarves]]==
I think they're not given enough credit nor enough recognition - they're the most overshadowed of the major races in Tolkien's legendarium.

*'''Agree''' - I don't know if the banner at the top of the article matters, so if not it has my full support. Otherwise I vote for another Dwarves-related article. -- [[User:Breragor|Breragor]]
*'''Undecided''' - As an article it needs some work, as is clear with the <nowiki>{{sources}}</nowiki> template at the top. However I agree that as a race they are often overlooked. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 03:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
*'''Disagree''' - A complete lack of sources, the structure is a bit haphazard and it contains a few too many redlinks and spelling errors for my liking. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:08, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
*'''Agree''' - I have been personally working on compiling all the information I can find on Dwarves in Tolkiens books, even if it conflicts with itself. Once it is compiled for my personal use I will copy it to this website. -- TolkienScholar91 11:08, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
*'''Disagree''' - See Mith. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

==[[Númenor]]==
It has been over a month (and there are "disagree" votes up there ^^) so I figured it's time for a new nomination; Númenor.

*'''Agree''' - I believe Númenor and its history to be some of the most interesting in all of the legendarium. For it is in this history that Gondor and Arnor (and many great things and people in Middle Earth) are rooted. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 18:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

*'''Disagree''' - Lack of sources, and I think the article is poorly structured (and contains fanon). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

:::Wouldn't there be a banner on the page then? Look, it's about choosing Númenor as the article (i.e. whether you think it deserves such recognition) and NOT the article itself. This is a perfectly fine article, it's not a stub and not horribly written, so just take it easy, Mith. On this page you have disagreed with every article unless you wrote it! --{{unsigned|Breragor}}

*'''Disagree''' - Númenor is already featured on the [[Portal:Locations|Locations Portal]]. I think for the featured articles we display on the Main page we should look for our best articles, whatever the subject matter. When it comes to portals I think we can be more relaxed. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 19:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

::::How do you even find the [[Portal:Locations|Locations Portal]]? {{unsigned|Breragor}}

:::::I made it. Also there's a link to it on the Main Page. All portals are currently under development. Please don't remove <nowiki>"{{unsigned|Breragor}}"</nowiki>, just sign your posts as you managed to do when you nominated Númenor yesterday. Thank you. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 22:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

*'''Disagree''' - needs sources. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

==[[J.R.R. Tolkien]]==
It's about time the featured article was changed - this has many pictures, details, and sources.

*'''Agree''' - The man himself deserves credit. If this article is not in good enough shape, I'm not sure what is. {{unsigned|Breragor}}

*'''Disagree''' - I feel bad about disagreeing again (as you pointed out I've disagreed to everything else), however, this article has some glaring faults:-
*# It's not [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=J.R.R._Tolkien&oldid=10634 our article] - it's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=J._R._R._Tolkien&oldid=39770884 Wikipedia's];
*# As the largest (by far) Tolkien wiki, I feel that each and ever article we have should be better than all our competitors. Our article is significantly lacking when compared to the [[wikipedia:J. R. R. Tolkien|current Wikipedia article]] (which has been featured);
*# No references at all: it contains an unused - and partly disordered - bibliography;
*# It's barely been improved over the last six years, which is why we have the article [[J.R.R. Tolkien/temp]] as a plan for future development.
:::Unfortunately, for all the above, I feel this article cannot become the featured article.--{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:14, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

*'''Disagree''' - This article is mostly good but it needs footnotes to round it off.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 11:19, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

==[[Dwalin]]==
As Smaug has been featured for almost nine months now I think it is time to look for a new featured article. Personally I think [[Dwalin]] might be a good choice. It is well-writen, sourced, no maintaince templates and only one red link. Although Dwalin isn't as long as previous featured articles, it covers (almost) all information that can be found in the books. And, with [[The Hobbit (film series)|''The Hobbit'' (film series)]] coming this year people will search for more information about the Hobbit and characters/locations. Therefore it would be good if an article related to The Hobbit will appear on the main page. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 19:57, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

:+1.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 20:07, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

:Any other opinions? --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 14:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

::I don't like the main image.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 15:20, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

:::I kind of agree, but we don't have many other images of him. The only other suitable image seems to be [[:File:New Line Cinema - Dwalin 2.png|this one]]. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 19:55, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

==[[Radagast]]==
Radagast seems to me to be a good canditate for featured article -- I can't see any reason why not.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 17:10, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

:+1! And [[Smaug]] has been featured for a very long time now.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:17, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

::+1 --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 14:27, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

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==[[Mirkwood]]==
*I think it is a good article written well its long covers all 4 ages with good pictures though I think a better quote could be found would someone check to make sure its ours and not wikis because smaug has been featured way to long oh and does this count as my vote and nomanation [[User:Neumanjames 2010|Throrin Longbeard]] 03:46, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

==[[Thorin]]==
I'd like to nominate thorin I think its a well rounded article that hold to our standards if there are any objections let me know so I can fix them I think this would make a great featured article with the hibbit films just coming out
[[User:Neumanjames 2010|Throrin Longbeard]] 13:37, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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== Moving articles ==

Re. "Joseph Wright 19??", just to let you know you should be able to untick the box "Leave a redirect behind" when you move something so there is no redirect left behind for me to delete! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

:Good, I'll try think about that in the future (thought it only worked with images)! --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 16:51, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

== [[Sauron]] code ==

Here you are: "<nowiki>{{Transcribed|Sauron Tengwar Quenya mode.png|Sauron|Tengwar, Quenya mode}}</nowiki>". --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 00:32, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

== Translations ==

I cannot find - but thought we might have - an article that lists translations of ''[[The Hobbit]]'', ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' etc. Something like [[wikipedia:Translations of The Lord of the Rings|this]] (there's also [http://www.elrondslibrary.fr/index.html this website] which is useful). Do we have ''anything'' like this, and if not, should we have it? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:27, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

:I've been thinking about that too - it would be good to have. From what I can remember, we only have (in the case of translations of The Hobbit), the list on the main article itself. Is a sub-page a good option in this case, or would a totally separate article be better (like "The Hobbit translations" perhaps "Index:The Hobbit translations")? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 11:03, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

::I should also say that I think some translations merit their own article, like ''[[Hompen]]''.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 11:06, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

:::I don't think it should be an index. "Translations of ''The Hobbit''" and "Translations of ''The Lord of the Rings''" etc. should be fine. I agree that some translations should have their own articles where appropriate.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 12:15, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

::''NOT'' Index. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:17, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

==[[Conselho Branco, Sociedade Tolkien]]==
Hi Morgan,<br>
Could you take a look at [[Conselho Branco, Sociedade Tolkien]] and provide sources, as according to [[User:Stbtolkien]] it includes unreliable and untruthful information. Thank you! --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 16:39, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

:It's a very old article, before we started being careful about sources. I had some source back then, but I can't be bothered to find it. Just tag the page with delete if it's questioned.--18:35, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

::After looking at the [http://www.tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Conselho_Branco,_Sociedade_Tolkien&oldid=116155 history of the article] I see you did add a few sources to the article. Unfortunally it only showed "testa". So I've removed the questioned sentences. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 19:34, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

:::While attempting to find a source, I found a Googlecatch entry of the old site by accident:
:::*[http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rP9Bv75cihUJ:www.conselhobranco.com.br/+Conselho+Branco,+Sociedade+Tolkien&cd=1&hl=nl&ct=clnk&gl=nl Site]
:::According to the description the site will be down for an unspecified time. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 19:53, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

==Vaire==

To Morgan- Thank's for informing me [[User:Vaire|Vaire]]

:You're welcome!--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 20:29, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

I changed it so it's not saying to think about what happened [[User:Vaire|Vaire]] 20:31, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

== The Tolkien Journal ==

Is [http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Tolkien-Journal-Running-Press/dp/076244746X/ref=sr_1_56?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340963899&sr=1-56 this] a new book or a re-release? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:11, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

::A new book, is my guess.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 10:59, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

:::It's just all their books are re-releases from the 80s and this one looks old like the others. I can't find any record of it being out before, though (unless it was under a different title). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:05, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

== Pal. quote reference. ==

The reference is from page 422 of Unfinished Tales, The Palantiri ch;

''Saruman had no doubt from his investigations gained knowledge of the Stones, things that would attract his attention, and had become convinced that the Orthanc-stone was still intact in its tower.''

- [[User:Mclaren01|Mclaren01]] 8:55, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

:Thanks, Maclaren. I've restored your sentence after checking the reference. For future edits, just let me know if you're uncertain about how to add references using the templates and codes -- I would be glad to offer any kind of help.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 16:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

:By the way, I didn't add a page number to the reference since the pagination differs between different editions of ''Unfinished Tales''. Our [[Template:UT|UT template]] is fairly detailed, however, so it shouldn't be any trouble for people to check a reference just pointing to a section in this book.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 16:14, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

== What are you doing? ==

What's your rationale behind applying all of these [[Template:Copyright-unknown]]s? I put that template on the Parma Eldalamberon covers whilst we wait for permission to use them (I contacted Gilson again today by a different e-mail address). I will get round to going through the WhatLinksHere for {{Redlink|[[Template:Fairuse-cover]]}}, so it's not helpful to randomly change the template to [[Template:Copyright-unknown]]. Also why did you apply [[Template:Copyright-unknown]] for covers with a Fairuse template (+ publisher details) on them? Were they wrong?--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 18:18, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

::By the same logic we need to have permission for all covers used on TG. Has anyone contacted HarperCollins etc for permission to use their covers? New Line Cinema? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 18:22, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

:::There are numerous channels through which you could have communicated your point; talking is better than vandalising. We don't ''need'' permission from every single organisation whose work we use - fairuse is there and we should use it (and not abuse it). My rationale behind contacting the E.L.F. and the Mythopoeic Society (and Mith has sought permission from the Tolkien Society) is simple: they are Tolkien fans like you and I, and they are likely to give us permission. Therefore I'm operating on the principle that if I can contact the copyright holder (in hope of obtaining permission to use their work) then I will. Even if I could contact HarperCollins and New Line Cinema, their lawyers have better things to do than grant (or refuse!) individual requests from organisations like us.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 19:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

::::No, ''you'' should have made it clear about extending this rationale to include covers of publications, in a meeting, for example. Changing the status of cover images to "will be deleted" is very frustrating when you have spent a lot of time compiling/scanning such; every Tolkien-related website or blog (scholarly or non-scholarly) I've come across assumes it's fair use to reproduce covers of publications. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 19:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

:::::I had honestly forgotten that [[Template:Copyright-unknown]] included the words "This file will be deleted unless...", and that's why I wish you had told me that this was your grievance in the first place (and let me reiterate that I'm still annoyed that you resorted to vandalism rather than coming to me to discuss it). Let me explain what happened today: I saw that you used {{Redlink|[[Template:Fairuse-cover]]}} on [[:File:Parma Eldalamberon 12.jpg]] and, because Template:Fairuse-cover should not be used on new images, I replaced it [[Template:Copyright-unknown]]. I then decided to tidy up the other ''Parma Eldalamberon'' covers (including giving them their own category) and in the process I added Template:Copyright-unknown to all of them as we will probably get permission soon.

:::::There has been no change in policy; we've used the new system for covers of publications since the new system was first established. I'm perfectly happy to discuss how we handle copyright for publication covers, if that's what you want (although, if this is the case, I wish that we had held it sooner). I'm sorry if my actions have upset or frustrated you, but I suspect that you wouldn't have been so annoyed if you had simply contacted me about it.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 19:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

::::::I've emailed you.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 20:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

== Noncanon template ==

Would you like me to use my bot to remove all usages of Template:Noncanon?--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 13:40, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

:Hm, I'm not sure. I'm just thinking that there might be articles without references or which don't explain the canonical status.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 13:43, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

::Fair enough.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 13:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

== Bombadil sentence ==

And why did you remove the sentence I added? -- [[User:Mclaren01]] 4:56 PM, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

:Hi Mclaren01, you made a great point; but I think we need to include a reference to back up your statement. That way the reader knows where that idea comes from. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 07:15, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

::Furthermore it was an [[Wiktionary:incomplete sentence|incomplete sentence]].--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 22:01, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

:::"He might do so, if all the free folk of the world begged him, but he would not understand the need" Gandalf, the Council of Elrond, pg 259 I Wrote the sentence as a summary of this statement by Gandalf about Bombadilo's mentality. If you have a clearer, etc, sentence in mind you can consider that instead. -- [[User:Mclaren01]] 11:03 AM, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

::::Thanks for the clarification, Mclaren. I will take a look at the issue tomorrow.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 00:23, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

:::::Mclaren, this is my conclusion: right now the first part of your addition would already be included in the preceding sentence (that is, Tom not being "fully aware of the struggle of Light and Darkness", equivalent to your "A mindset clear of conceptions of 'Good' and 'Evil'"). The One Ring hasn't been mentioned before in the article, and it would therefore take a major rewrite to include your last part (" he would not understand overtures to keep and conceal the One Ring himself if all the peoples of Middle-earth begged him to") at this point, since the section "War of the Ring" follows.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:57, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

== Hobbit in French ==

Hello Morgan. I just see your message on my discussion page. It's a new translation, made by Daniel Lauzon (also translator of the HoMe 3 at 5). I've change the url you've added for another where Daniel Lauzon have answering some questions and enlighted some of his choices. [[User:Druss|Druss]] 13:01, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

== Black Speech ==

Hello there Morgan I was thinkong of bringong more details to the [[Black speech]] page but maybe it shouldn't be there where I put it so we must make a new Headline. However it would be nice if we could have a little bit more information about this language however rude he looked like.

Yours fathiful

--[[User:Glaurung the Golden|Glaurung the Golden]] 13:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)Glaurung the Golden

:Hi there. I [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Black_Speech&action=historysubmit&diff=225496&oldid=225442 tweaked] your contribution and added it to the article.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:14, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes thanks mate, i was just thinking to mention the use of ergative in it

--[[User:Glaurung the Golden|Glaurung the Golden]] 17:03, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[[Glaurung the Golden]]

:Well, to me "ergative" is specialized linguistic terminology -- I'm not sure we need to include this on Tolkien Gateway and at the very least not just a quick mention. Fauskanger devotes a whole section of his article to the ergative case in relation to the Black Speech and Hurrian. If you find a good way to explain this in a simple way, it could possibly be included. I don't want to be the sole judge here! :) But IMHO think it suffices with a link to Fauskanger's article, for those wanting more detailed information.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 17:11, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

:Ergative is a grammatical case that is used to explain the subject of transitive verb mostly in ergative-absolutive languages. But, alright if it's too complicated for TG then i will try to make more simple. However Tolkien himself was a philologist :)
We will end this conversation now, don't want to waste your time anymore.

Your's faithiful

--~~[[User:Glaurung the Golden|Glaurung]]

== New users ==

You don't need to add <nowiki>{{user}}</nowiki> to the user page of every new editor. It's only for those who write on talk pages and, therefore, leave a redlink lying around. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:12, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

:Ah, thanks for letting me know. I thought the red-linked user name appearing in recent changes also turned up in wanted pages.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:33, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

== Total Edits ==

Hi Morgan, I apologize but I'm afraid we're going to have to block your account from future editing. I'm sure you understand....you're just getting too close to my edit total. :) (I will admit, you passed me long ago if we're counting quality contributions) Keep up the great work! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 03:55, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

:+1.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 09:46, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

::Hehe, but I actually fear that quantity rather than quality has been my main contribution to TG! :) --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 16:59, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
==Check==
Hi Morgan. I understand that you own several old and recent editions of LotR. Could you please check out [[Talk:Prisca_Baggins|this matter]] and have a look in Appendix C of your books? I own only one version (pre-50th Anniversary), which is not available to me ATM so I can't cross-check. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 14:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

:Hello Sage! Certainly, I will check when I come back home later today.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 14:58, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

== Referencing ==

Hi Morgan!

I'm trying to understand how to include a reference in the article that links back to a source that has already been given. I know I'm supposed to use < ref name=One>And this is source number one</ref> and such, but does this also work with shortcuts such as {S|1}}? If so, how?
--[[User:Shadrak|Shadrak]] 16:56, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

::Hi Shadrak!

::<nowiki><ref name=S1>{{S|1}}</ref></nowiki><br>

::<nowiki><ref name=S1/></nowiki>

::The first code line above creates an original reference to ''The Silmarillion'', Chapter 1. The second code line "links back" to the same reference. You can use any name as the reference name, but the name needs to be the same when you link to it.

::Does it make sense? '''You can see an example [[User:Morgan/Sandbox9|here]]'''.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 18:01, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

:::Perfect, thanks!--[[User:Shadrak|Shadrak]] 20:17, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

== Undone edits ==

Hi Morgan! Quick question: I noticed you reverted the edits done to the "Ents" page by user 204.108.96.90. Just to clarify, was that due to the fact that there were no references, or was there something else that was questionable about the edits? I just ask because user 204.108.96.90 happens to be me before I created an account. :O) {{Unsigned|Shadrak}}

:Hello Shadrak! I'll be blunt, and hope you'll see my opinion as constructive criticism. The reason for undoing the edits was a combination of many things: the lack of references was the most important (for example, a statement needing a source is "...created at the request of the Vala Yavanna to protect the trees from other creatures, particularly Dwarves..."). In addition, the edits I reverted carried a speculative, non-encyclopedic tone: for example, "...they are undoubtedly counted among...". Finally, there were a couple of spelling errors ("phisiology" and "Middle-Earth"). As administrators, we tend to be less forgiving when it comes to anonymous edits (for psychological reasons, I guess).--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 15:34, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
::Cool. I didn't take it personally. ;) I just wanna learn to contribute in the most thorough and objective way. Is it ok if I re-post the edits addressing these issues?--[[User:Shadrak|Shadrak]] 19:01, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

:::Naturally! I should also like to point out that I think admins and fellow editors are more willing to "correct" or improve edits when these are done by registered editors -- it's an indication that the editor is serious and willing to participate in discussions.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 19:32, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
::::Excellent. Please check the Ents page later today and let me know if you notice anything else I can improve.--[[User:Shadrak|Shadrak]] 19:42, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

:::::IMHO, the edit you now did works better as an introduction (that is, an introduction shouldn't be too wordy).--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 09:50, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

==Own story==

Excuse me, do you know if there is a website where a person may create their own stories of Middle-earth, thanks.--[[Special:Contributions/50.122.9.252|50.122.9.252]] 22:53, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

:I'd recommend the [http://www.lotrplaza.com/forumdisplay.php?16-Cottage-of-Lost-Play Cottage of Lost Play] at the LotR Fanatics Plaza. If you search on Google, there appears to be many fan fiction websites (like [http://www.tolkienfanfiction.com/ this one]), but I couldn't say if any of them are better or worse.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 09:31, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

== Idril page ==

Dear Morgan,

I was reviewing the page on idril and could not find any information to back up the following claim- "and in the Helcaraxë almost lost her life falling through the ice with several others, but Turgon saved her, though he lost his wife Elenwë." In the Silmarillion it is said that Elenwe lost her life but I find no mention of Idril.

Hope you can help,

Watcher at the Silver Gate

:Thanks for noting this. I've placed a <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki> at the statement, to see if someone knows a reference (it might be from the ''History of Middle-earth'').--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 22:29, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== Signature ==

Pardon me, I used a copy-and-paste then. --[[User:Mclaren01|Mclaren01]] 11:29 PM, 29/12/2013 (UTC).

:No problem. :-) --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 14:45, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

== Tolkien Testament ==

Why Tolkien testament is not included on dates and the administrator of this website deleted all references about that? {{unsigned|Sigurd }}

:Because the article was so below any imaginable standard that cleaning it up (which I tried) left only one very short sentence. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:43, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

No. I created one exclusive page about this testament and put references about this document. Is so easy to find in Joseph Ratellif blog, in Tolkien's Legendarium book and others. I think that FACT cannot be excluded from a serious encyclopedia. {{User:Sigurd/sig}}

:# Sign your posts.
:# The factuality was not in dispute. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:31, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

No thanks.
So Why do not put that information?

== Silmaril and Arkenstone ==

If you have a reference to people arguing that Arkenstone is a Silmaril should not have the argument contrary? In the same link there are both arguments. {{unsigned|Sigurd }}

== The Hobbit page edit? ==

Why did you undo my edit? [[User:Mclaren01|Mclaren01]] 5:27 AM, 22/01/2014 (UTC)

:Grammar and style were not up to standard.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 22:49, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

== The Children of Húrin editions ==

This is a NEW BOOK. ISBN is different. Why did you deleted from the list os editions of the children of húrin?
* [[HarperCollins]], Complete & Unabridged [[2007]]([[10 December]]), ISBN:9780007275397 {{unsigned|Sigurd}}

:Hello Sigurd. There is a [http://www.tolkienguide.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2032&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&type=&mode=0&start=15 discussion] about this ISBN over at The Tolkien Collector's Guide: it seems like it's a database glitch, not referring to an actual edition of ''The Children of Húrin''. (Please remember to sign your posts, using the code <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>.)--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 20:55, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

There is no discussion there like that. Just me that notice Deagol that in his website this book was not listed. And other person comment as well. A new ISBN form a new book that is the rule of ISBN itself. --[[User:Sigurd|Sigurd]] 00:44, 26 January 2014 (UTC).)--

:Your interpretation of the discussion is wrong. You suggest that Deagol should include the edition "The Children of Húrin. HarperCollins, Complete & Unabridged 2007(10 December), ISBN:9780007275397". Deagol answers: "Does anybody have a copy of this? What is it?" and "Just a database glitch maybe?". Khamûl replies "I guess (& have guessed) it's a glitch", and then Stu also suggests that the edition is an error. In any case, let's be patient and wait to see what Deagol adds to TolkienBooks.net.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 10:45, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Now I understand what you said about that discussion. But,Tolkiengateway is part of Tolkienbookt website? So we have to whait indeed. --[[User:Sigurd|Sigurd]] 15:50, 26 January 2014 (UTC).)--

== Image - collage of maps ==

Greetings Morgan,
I just uploaded an image (File:Collage-detail-dolmed-ereb.png) and was fixing the description and licensing when you also edited simultaneously the latter. Ended up with two licensing boxes, let me know what is best preferable for TG. [[User:Drakon|Drakon]] 00:58, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

:Double post again! :-) I posted a note at your talk page, please have a look.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 00:59, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
::Thanks! I looked at your example and switched to GFDL(-self), which is ok for me, so that others may use it and possibly make a better one (and also kept the "fair use" box, respectively to JRRT/CJRT own's maps used as basis for this "collage") -- [[User:Drakon|Drakon]] 01:10, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey Morgan I was just wondering when we could get a vote for featured article maybe make it where we change it quarterly its been smaug since before I even joined [[User:Neumanjames 2010|Throrin Longbeard]] 03:51, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

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== Featured Articles ==

Any registered user can nominate an article for '''featured''' status. It should be well-written, complete, illustrated, and referenced and meet these specific criteria:

:::#The text is ''entirely'' written by TG editors with correct English spelling, grammar and punctuation;
:::#There are no outstanding [[:Category:Maintenance templates|maintenance templates]] on the article;
:::#The article is well-referenced throughout, leaving the reader under no illusions as to where to source information themselves;
:::#The article conforms to TG's [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Standards]], as well as those laid out in the relevant [[Tolkien Gateway:Projects|Project]];
:::#The text is sprinkled with ''relevant'' [[Help:Images|images]] (including captions) of appropriate size - if necessary, including a gallery;
:::#Articles are at least 5,000 bytes long;
:::#Where applicable, contains "History", "Portrayal in Adaptations", "In Other Versions of the Legendarium", "See Also", "Genealogy", "Etymology", "Other Names and Titles" and "Bibliography" sections;
:::#Where applicable, ''full use'' has been made of relevant templates, e.g.: [[:Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates|disambiguation]], [[Template:Seealso|see also]], [[Template:Main|main]], [[Template:Navigation|navigation]], [[Template:Pronounce|pronounce]], [[Template:Familytree|familytree]], [[Template:Seq|sequence]];
:::#Where applicable, contains interwiki links;
:::#Preferably no red-links, but no more than half-a-dozen.

After nomination, an article should receive five votes with with no objections within a month or so; each user being able to cast one vote. Each entry should begin with '''Agree''', '''Disagree''' or '''Undecided''' and be signed by the user, and, if they choose, an explanation of their vote.

==[[Gandalf]]==
It's a pretty impressive article, and well deserved for my favourite character and such an interesting character.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 07:14, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

* '''Agree'''. If I'm not mistaking, Gandalf has already been FA once. That doesn't mean it can't be again, but it's near the end of the queue. Oh, '''agree''', btw. but the sourcing needs to be a bit better. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 08:01, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

* '''Agree'''. This article is extensive, appears complete, well-referenced, and lavishly illustrated. It is a prime example of what an FA should be.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 13:31, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

*'''Agree'''. Yes, quite well done. Excellent, in fact.--Ingwe

* '''Agree'''. Nice long article, good information, plus good introduction into Tolkien. {{unsigned|ZehnWaters}}

*'''Agree''' A Middle Earth without Gandalf, is not a true Middle Eearth at all.--{{User:Breragor/sig}}

*'''Agree'''. After reading it, I have to admit it is the best article we have.--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 10:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

*'''Agree'''. Exellent Article! Besides, Gandalf is the heart of Tolkien's work. His article deserves to be featured. [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 12:30, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

*'''Agree'''. The first thing new users see is the main page, and generally people are most familiar with Gandalf. --Yurpee

*'''Agree'''. A central character in the LoTR trilogy. Everyone knows who he is and he deserves a good moment in the spotlight. -- Naruvir

*'''Disagree''' - I think it's a big cluttered in its structure and severely lacks sources required to make it worthy of the title. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:23, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

*'''Agree'''. It definitely deserves to be featured, but I think later, after the revisions are done because of the Hobbit movies coming. {{Unsigned|Lilybell}}

==[[Gondor]]==
[[Gondor]] would be a good choice. It's extensive, covers many bases, and has the requisite references. It should be next in line to be voted on for FA status.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 10:41, 28 July 2008 (EDT) 

:'''Undecided''' - although well-written, I think it needs to be better referenced as we should only show off the ''very best'' articles that TG has to offer. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

==[[Dwarves]]==
I think they're not given enough credit nor enough recognition - they're the most overshadowed of the major races in Tolkien's legendarium.

*'''Agree''' - I don't know if the banner at the top of the article matters, so if not it has my full support. Otherwise I vote for another Dwarves-related article. -- [[User:Breragor|Breragor]]
*'''Undecided''' - As an article it needs some work, as is clear with the <nowiki>{{sources}}</nowiki> template at the top. However I agree that as a race they are often overlooked. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 03:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
*'''Disagree''' - A complete lack of sources, the structure is a bit haphazard and it contains a few too many redlinks and spelling errors for my liking. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:08, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
*'''Agree''' - I have been personally working on compiling all the information I can find on Dwarves in Tolkiens books, even if it conflicts with itself. Once it is compiled for my personal use I will copy it to this website. -- TolkienScholar91 11:08, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
*'''Disagree''' - See Mith. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

==[[Númenor]]==
It has been over a month (and there are "disagree" votes up there ^^) so I figured it's time for a new nomination; Númenor.

*'''Agree''' - I believe Númenor and its history to be some of the most interesting in all of the legendarium. For it is in this history that Gondor and Arnor (and many great things and people in Middle Earth) are rooted. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 18:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

*'''Disagree''' - Lack of sources, and I think the article is poorly structured (and contains fanon). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

:::Wouldn't there be a banner on the page then? Look, it's about choosing Númenor as the article (i.e. whether you think it deserves such recognition) and NOT the article itself. This is a perfectly fine article, it's not a stub and not horribly written, so just take it easy, Mith. On this page you have disagreed with every article unless you wrote it! --{{unsigned|Breragor}}

*'''Disagree''' - Númenor is already featured on the [[Portal:Locations|Locations Portal]]. I think for the featured articles we display on the Main page we should look for our best articles, whatever the subject matter. When it comes to portals I think we can be more relaxed. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 19:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

::::How do you even find the [[Portal:Locations|Locations Portal]]? {{unsigned|Breragor}}

:::::I made it. Also there's a link to it on the Main Page. All portals are currently under development. Please don't remove <nowiki>"{{unsigned|Breragor}}"</nowiki>, just sign your posts as you managed to do when you nominated Númenor yesterday. Thank you. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 22:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

*'''Disagree''' - needs sources. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

==[[J.R.R. Tolkien]]==
It's about time the featured article was changed - this has many pictures, details, and sources.

*'''Agree''' - The man himself deserves credit. If this article is not in good enough shape, I'm not sure what is. {{unsigned|Breragor}}

*'''Disagree''' - I feel bad about disagreeing again (as you pointed out I've disagreed to everything else), however, this article has some glaring faults:-
*# It's not [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=J.R.R._Tolkien&oldid=10634 our article] - it's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=J._R._R._Tolkien&oldid=39770884 Wikipedia's];
*# As the largest (by far) Tolkien wiki, I feel that each and ever article we have should be better than all our competitors. Our article is significantly lacking when compared to the [[wikipedia:J. R. R. Tolkien|current Wikipedia article]] (which has been featured);
*# No references at all: it contains an unused - and partly disordered - bibliography;
*# It's barely been improved over the last six years, which is why we have the article [[J.R.R. Tolkien/temp]] as a plan for future development.
:::Unfortunately, for all the above, I feel this article cannot become the featured article.--{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:14, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

*'''Disagree''' - This article is mostly good but it needs footnotes to round it off.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 11:19, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

==[[Dwalin]]==
As Smaug has been featured for almost nine months now I think it is time to look for a new featured article. Personally I think [[Dwalin]] might be a good choice. It is well-writen, sourced, no maintaince templates and only one red link. Although Dwalin isn't as long as previous featured articles, it covers (almost) all information that can be found in the books. And, with [[The Hobbit (film series)|''The Hobbit'' (film series)]] coming this year people will search for more information about the Hobbit and characters/locations. Therefore it would be good if an article related to The Hobbit will appear on the main page. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 19:57, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

:+1.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 20:07, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

:Any other opinions? --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 14:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

::I don't like the main image.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 15:20, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

:::I kind of agree, but we don't have many other images of him. The only other suitable image seems to be [[:File:New Line Cinema - Dwalin 2.png|this one]]. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 19:55, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

==[[Radagast]]==
Radagast seems to me to be a good canditate for featured article -- I can't see any reason why not.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 17:10, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

:+1! And [[Smaug]] has been featured for a very long time now.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:17, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

::+1 --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 14:27, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

[[Category:Featured Article Nominations|Featured Article Nominations]]

==[[Mirkwood]]==
*I think it is a good article written well long covers all 4 ages with good pictures though I think a better quote could be found

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