FA Status
This article has most of the qualities required to be nominated for Featured Article status. It's pretty well written, stable, and is well-illustrated. The one thing it lacks is references. Let's get them put in, and add to the nomination queue. I'll help.--Theoden1 19:20, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
- I've added "Languages" and improved "Etymology". However, there is room for more. Currently, the article is mostly history. Should this article include sections like "Law" and "Customs", or does that belong on Gondorians? -- Ederchil 03:36, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
- Excellent-- it's now worthy of nomination. The additional section should be put here. Plus, Gondorians is only a stub at present.--Theoden1 10:37, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
- I don't think history is properly sourced yet. All I did was add semi-secondary sources. And as for Gondorians being a stub... so was Númenóreans. -- Ederchil 10:51, 28 July 2008 (EDT)
Region south of the White Mountains
I am perplexed about the region south of the WM named "Gondor" which sometimes is synonymous or ambiguous with the Kingdom. It seems to be a nameless, or unnamed region of Gondor, like Anorien and Ithilien. Named subregions include Andrast, Lamedon and Belfalas, but the region itself seems to be tagged as "Gondor" on some maps. This refers only to late TA context, and the maps perhaps suggest that the became synonymous with the Kingdom in that time.
My question is: if the earliest form of Gondor was the twin fiefs of Anorien and Ithilien, then the Gondor region was not a core of the kingdom. Is there any information as to how or when this region was attached to the Kingdom?
Finally, perhaps we should begin an article Gondor (region)? Sage 12:46, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Remote past had layers of mixed peoples
An interesting bit from VT, but I'm not sure where to put it (emphasis mine).
Belfalas. This is a special case. Bel- is certainly an element derived from a pre-Númenórean name; but its source is known, and was in fact Sindarin. The regions of Gondor had a complex history in the remote past, so far as their population was concerned, and the Númenóreans evidently found many layers of mixed peoples, and numerous islands of isolated folk either clinging to old dwellings, or in mountain-refuges from invaders (Note 1). But there was one small (but important) element in Gondor of quite exceptional kind: an Eldarin settlement. Little is known of its history until shortly before it disappeared; for the Eldarin Elves, whether Exiled Noldor or long-rooted Sindar, remained in Beleriand until its desolation in the Great War against Morgoth; and then if they did not take sail over Sea wandered westward [sic; read "eastward"] in Eriador. There, especially near the Hithaeglir (on either side), they found scattered settlements of the Nandor, Telerin Elves who had in the First Age never completed the journey to the shores of the Sea; but both sides recognized their kinship as Eldar. There appears, however, in the beginning of the Second Age, to have been a group of Sindar who went south. They were a remnant, it seems, of the people of Doriath, who harboured still their grudge against the Noldor and left the Grey Havens because these and all the ships there were commanded by Cirdan (a Noldo). Having learned the craft of shipbuilding (Note 2) they went in the course of years seeking a place for havens of their own. At last they settled at the mouth of the Morthond. There was already a primitive harbour there of fisher-folk; but these in fear of the Eldar fled into the mountains. The land between Morthond and Serni (the shoreward parts of Dor-en-Ernil)
Note 1. Though none of the regions of the Two Kingdoms were before (or after!) the Númenórean settlements densely populated as we should reckon it.
Just toss it at the beginning? Oberiko (talk) 13:24, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
- It would be logical to put in in the same place where all other information about the population of Gondor is placed. There is information about the population of (parts of) Gondor in the narrative of LOTR in the chapter Minas Tirith. "There dwelt a hardy folk between the mountains and the sea.They were reckoned men of Gondor, yet their blood was mingled, and there were short and swarthy folk among them whose sires came more from the forgotten men who housed in the shadow of the hills in the Dark Years ere the coming of the kings." It is not clear if "There" refers only to Lebennin, the last region that is mentioned in the preceeding sentence or to all regions mentioned in this part of the preceeding sentence "in the high vales of the mountain-borders, in Lossarnach, or further south in fair Lebennin". There is also information in Appendix F "in the hills of Dunland a remnant lingered of an old people, the former inhabitants of much of Gondor." and "A few were of forgotten origin, and descended doubtless from the days before the ships of the Númenóreans sailed the Sea; among these were Umbar, Arnach and Erech; and the mountain-names Eilenach and Rimmon. Forlong was also a name of the same sort". Based on the fact that Forlong was the Lord of Lossarnach and that Erech was in the Black Root Vale and not in Lebennin, I think that the second sentence refers to all the regions that were mentioned in the previous sentence --Akhôrahil (talk) 12:07, 30 March 2025 (UTC)