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Maps of Beleriand and Eriador
Hi ProjetoTolkien,
Can I just say how much I absolutely love your map of Beleriand and Eriador? It's fantastic that someone put the information in The Nature of Middle-earth to good use and finally created the closest thing we'll ever have to a "canon" map of how Beleriand and Eriador connected.
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Please feel free to ignore this request if it impinges too much on your time, but would you consider making another combined map of Beleriand and Eriador, but this time with the overlapping region putting the First Age map of Beleriand on top, instead of the Third Age map? In other words, a combined map just like the one you already made, but reversing which of the two maps goes over the other. I hope that makes sense. Would love to see it if you have time. Regardless, thanks again for making the map you did! Protospace (talk) 05:20, 4 November 2024 (UTC) Protospace
Reply:
Hello, Protoscope, how are you? I'm still not very well versed on the MediaWiki ins and outs, so I hope you somehow get notified about this reply.
Thank you for the comment! I have a (small) YouTube channel in which I talk about Tolkien and his works. And, after so many years almost going insane seeing those horrible maps in which Beleriand is HUGE compared to late Third Age Middle-earth (and always spending a long time trying to explain it), I decided to finally make a video about it.
At first I was only going to show one method of comparing both maps (overlapping Tol Himling and Himring and the Blue Mountains), but while writing my scrip I thought: "maybe there's something about it on The Nature of Middle-earth?" And there actually was. So I showed those two methods on my video, which yields virtually the same result.
And I just seized the opportunity to make another version of this map and use it here on Tolkien Gateway.
In case you're interested, here's a link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-DYFu41mUQ
It's in Brazillian Portuguese, but there are (revised) closed captions available and YouTube now has a feature to translate closed captions to any language.
PS: Here's the map you asked for. Hope you like it! https://imgur.com/a/QfulBCn
Edits on the Drúedain page
I corrected your edit on the Drúedain page. The text in Further notes on the Drúedain in the chapter The Drúedain in UT does not say that the people in Enedwaith called the Drúedain Púkel-men, because it does not say there who gave this name to them. However, Christopher Tolkien says in his entry Púkel-men in the index to UT that it was the name in Rohan. In the chapter The Muster of Rohan in RK the Rohirrim call the statues on the road to Dunharrow Púkel-men. J.R.R. Tolkien said that this term is a modernized form for an Old English name in his entry Púkel-men in his Nomenclature for LOTR to translators (published in RC) and he used modernized Old English words to represent names from the language of Rohan that the Hobbits could understand. He also wrote in the chapter Dwarves and Men in PM that the language of the forest dweller of Enedwaith was related to the language of the Folk of Haleth and that is was not related to the language of the Folk of Hador and the Folk of Beoar and since Adûnaic, the language of the Númenoreans was descended from the language of the Folk of Hador they could not undertand those forest dwellers and did not recognize that they were related to the Folk of Haleth and were thus Edain. He wrote that they fled to the area that was later called Dunland (the Rohirrim called it Dunland) in this chapter. He also wrote in Appendix F that the Dunlendings stuck to their own language. In conclusion, the people of Enedwaith (i.e. the Dunlendings) did not call the Drúedain Púkel-men, because that is a name in the language of the Rohirrim in Rohan. --Akhôrahil (talk) 10:12, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, my mistake. The text mentions "because of the Púkel-men", but it doesn't explicitly states this name was used by the native people of Enedwaith. ProjetoTolkien (talk) 12:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)